Drawing cell background - can't get size right

D

Dianah

Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.

I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in the
graphic's software). I've
tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to use it
as a background.

So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get close
to the cell size.

Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
Thanks in advance. Diana
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

See response in your duplicate post

--




| Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
|
| I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in the
| graphic's software). I've
| tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to use it
| as a background.
|
| So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get close
| to the cell size.
|
| Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| Thanks in advance. Diana
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies I
couldn't believe I wrote it.

Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.

I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
apologies. Diana

See response in your duplicate post

--




| Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
|
| I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in the
| graphic's software). I've
| tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to use
it
| as a background.
|
| So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get close
| to the cell size.
|
| Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| Thanks in advance. Diana
|
|
|
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

If you are applying an image as a cell background
(set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size in FP)
Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
- set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0


--




| Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies I
| couldn't believe I wrote it.
|
| Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
|
| I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| apologies. Diana
|
| | See response in your duplicate post
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| |
| | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in the
| | graphic's software). I've
| | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to use
| it
| | as a background.
| |
| | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get close
| | to the cell size.
| |
| | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | Thanks in advance. Diana
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Stefan,
The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high, but
in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58. I
do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't enough
to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw). This
doesn't make sense to me.

For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and do
have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
Diana

If you are applying an image as a cell background
(set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size in
FP)
Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
- set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0


--




| Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies
I
| couldn't believe I wrote it.
|
| Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
|
| I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| apologies. Diana
|
| | See response in your duplicate post
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| |
| | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in
the
| | graphic's software). I've
| | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to
use
| it
| | as a background.
| |
| | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
close
| | to the cell size.
| |
| | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | Thanks in advance. Diana
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30 px cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by all browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high, but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58. I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw). This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

Stefan B Rusynko said:
If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30 px cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high, but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58. I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw). This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the text already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons into a table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Dianah said:
Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

Stefan B Rusynko said:
If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30 px cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high, but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58. I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw). This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text (with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Thomas A. Rowe said:
Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the text already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons into a table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

Stefan B Rusynko said:
If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30
px
cell
If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should
have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available) for all of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Dianah said:
Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text (with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Thomas A. Rowe said:
Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the text already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons into a table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30 px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Thomas, I'm using CorelDraw (CD) to create the graphics, export them, then
insert into Frontpage. I'm not using CD in any other way. Does that help?

I think you are right about the resizing, but then I run into the sizing
problem again ... and that's why I started this post in the first place ...
I couldn't size my graphics accurately for my FP tables/cells. I export
from CorelDraw to various formats. I think I was using jpg for this project
(not a home now). I have no compression on the destination format for this
purpose as it's only 3 kb without compression - so it's full (true) size.
For some reason, I'm having to double approximate the double size required
in CorelDraw. It's a real mystery.

I don't know if the code for the site reveals anything that would solve this
sizing mystery.


Thomas A. Rowe said:
Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available) for all of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text (with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Thomas A. Rowe said:
Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the
text
already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons
into a
table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta
got
it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy
about
all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough
for
some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and
add
way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by
30
px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported
by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30
px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258
px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I
checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html
viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the
image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it
later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using
pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and
height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

If you design the buttons with your text in CD, then save as JPG or GIF image, then import into FP,
and insert into your table/cell, not as a background image, would eliminate you current problems.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Dianah said:
Thomas, I'm using CorelDraw (CD) to create the graphics, export them, then
insert into Frontpage. I'm not using CD in any other way. Does that help?

I think you are right about the resizing, but then I run into the sizing
problem again ... and that's why I started this post in the first place ...
I couldn't size my graphics accurately for my FP tables/cells. I export
from CorelDraw to various formats. I think I was using jpg for this project
(not a home now). I have no compression on the destination format for this
purpose as it's only 3 kb without compression - so it's full (true) size.
For some reason, I'm having to double approximate the double size required
in CorelDraw. It's a real mystery.

I don't know if the code for the site reveals anything that would solve this
sizing mystery.


Thomas A. Rowe said:
Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available) for all of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text (with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the text
already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons into a
table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got
it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to
create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I
decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about
all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for
some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add
way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30
px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should
have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

Thomas,
I wish you were right, but I can't say that I'm convinced. I did this
before on another site (in the fall). I had a table with all different
sized cells and had a cell that I wanted to place an image in ... one that I
drew with CorelDraw (and it had text on it). It took forever, continually
resizing in CorelDraw to export for use with FP ... with a perfect fit. Why
is that so difficult. Shouldn't the pixel size be 1:1 between the programs?

Sizing these objects in FP makes for ugly images (I'm not sure why that
happens).

On the sizing issue ... perhaps Microsoft and Corel speaking different
dialects of pixel :). The tiling problem would disappear using this
method, but I don't seem to make the right "guess" when it comes to sizing.
Diana

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you design the buttons with your text in CD, then save as JPG or GIF image, then import into FP,
and insert into your table/cell, not as a background image, would
eliminate you current problems.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Thomas, I'm using CorelDraw (CD) to create the graphics, export them, then
insert into Frontpage. I'm not using CD in any other way. Does that help?

I think you are right about the resizing, but then I run into the sizing
problem again ... and that's why I started this post in the first place ....
I couldn't size my graphics accurately for my FP tables/cells. I export
from CorelDraw to various formats. I think I was using jpg for this project
(not a home now). I have no compression on the destination format for this
purpose as it's only 3 kb without compression - so it's full (true) size.
For some reason, I'm having to double approximate the double size required
in CorelDraw. It's a real mystery.

I don't know if the code for the site reveals anything that would solve this
sizing mystery.


Thomas A. Rowe said:
Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available) for
all
of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text (with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor
tweak
to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with
the
text
already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons into a
table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda
sorta
got
it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel -
not in
my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to
create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I
decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to
look
like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm
crazy
about
all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide
enough
for
some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory
and
add
way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px
for
the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width)
by
30
px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not
supported
by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should
have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

--




| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by
30
px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be
258
px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but
this
isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of
the
image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing.
It
was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of
putting it
up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that
others
could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read
it
later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a
guessing
game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Diana,

Here is example of image buttons inserted into a table cell, stacked one on top of the other, not as
table or cell background images. The text was add to the buttons via Image Composer.

http://www.motophotowest.com/welcome.htm

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Dianah said:
Thomas,
I wish you were right, but I can't say that I'm convinced. I did this
before on another site (in the fall). I had a table with all different
sized cells and had a cell that I wanted to place an image in ... one that I
drew with CorelDraw (and it had text on it). It took forever, continually
resizing in CorelDraw to export for use with FP ... with a perfect fit. Why
is that so difficult. Shouldn't the pixel size be 1:1 between the programs?

Sizing these objects in FP makes for ugly images (I'm not sure why that
happens).

On the sizing issue ... perhaps Microsoft and Corel speaking different
dialects of pixel :). The tiling problem would disappear using this
method, but I don't seem to make the right "guess" when it comes to sizing.
Diana

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you design the buttons with your text in CD, then save as JPG or GIF image, then import into FP,
and insert into your table/cell, not as a background image, would
eliminate you current problems.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

Thomas, I'm using CorelDraw (CD) to create the graphics, export them, then
insert into Frontpage. I'm not using CD in any other way. Does that help?

I think you are right about the resizing, but then I run into the sizing
problem again ... and that's why I started this post in the first place ...
I couldn't size my graphics accurately for my FP tables/cells. I export
from CorelDraw to various formats. I think I was using jpg for this project
(not a home now). I have no compression on the destination format for this
purpose as it's only 3 kb without compression - so it's full (true) size.
For some reason, I'm having to double approximate the double size required
in CorelDraw. It's a real mystery.

I don't know if the code for the site reveals anything that would solve this
sizing mystery.


Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be
good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available) for all
of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this
outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

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Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage
doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text
(with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it
might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up having to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak
to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the text to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this
purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the
text
already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons
into a
table with the number of
rows needed.

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Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta
got
it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in
my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to
create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column
table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I
decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look
like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy
about
all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough
for
some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and
add
way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for
the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by
30
px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported
by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should
have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

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| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30
px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258
px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this
isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an
acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I
checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html
viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the
image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It
was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it
up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others
could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it
later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using
pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and
height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing
game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
D

Dianah

I checked it out. They look good and crisp Thomas. Did you convert the
text to curves first ... or leave as text before exporting... just curious.

I've done what you did ... stacked the button images on top of one another
like that (with my own buttons) in a single cell. It worked ok just fine.
I've also tried it with FP's built in buttons and text, but its files are
big and spread themselves everywhere. I also couldn't make them wide enough
to accept the text I needed to add in some instances(with MS's text). In my
own buttons the text was already added (in the graphics software) ...
however, the text wasn't very clear when I had to resize them the button.

Diana,

Here is example of image buttons inserted into a table cell, stacked one on
top of the other, not as
table or cell background images. The text was add to the buttons via Image
Composer.

http://www.motophotowest.com/welcome.htm

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Dianah said:
Thomas,
I wish you were right, but I can't say that I'm convinced. I did this
before on another site (in the fall). I had a table with all different
sized cells and had a cell that I wanted to place an image in ... one that I
drew with CorelDraw (and it had text on it). It took forever, continually
resizing in CorelDraw to export for use with FP ... with a perfect fit. Why
is that so difficult. Shouldn't the pixel size be 1:1 between the programs?

Sizing these objects in FP makes for ugly images (I'm not sure why that
happens).

On the sizing issue ... perhaps Microsoft and Corel speaking different
dialects of pixel :). The tiling problem would disappear using this
method, but I don't seem to make the right "guess" when it comes to sizing.
Diana

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you design the buttons with your text in CD, then save as JPG or GIF image, then import into FP,
and insert into your table/cell, not as a background image, would
eliminate you current problems.
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place
solve
for
having
text
cell
so
memory
256x54px
(width)
y
30
px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258
px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this
isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an
acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I
checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html
viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the
image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
| --
|
| _____________________________________________
| SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| _____________________________________________
|
|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It
was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it
up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others
could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it
later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
| | --
| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using
pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and
height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing
game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

In your page at http://members.shaw.ca/womensconference/contents.html
Your background images are 129x29px from http://members.shaw.ca/womensconference/images/button54.jpg
Edit your image to add 1 px of white space at the bottom & right
(so they become 130x30px - the extra white space prevents a repeat in NN)

Then try pasting this code in your content page to replace all you have now
(note: your FP html should be set to not wrap code - the <td> and </td> must be on one line):

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html><head><title>Contents</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<style type="text/css">
A { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: 700;
text-decoration: none; color: #0000FF; }
A:link { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: 700;
text-decoration: none; color: #0000FF; }
A:visited { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: 700;
text-decoration: none; color: #0000CD; }
A:hover {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: 900;
text-decoration: none;color: #FF0000; }
A:active { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: 700;
text-decoration: none; color: #0000CD; }
</style></head>
<body bgcolor="#f9f7f9"><div align="left">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" width="130" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center">&nbsp;&nbsp; </td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center">&nbsp;&nbsp; </td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="home.html">HOME</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="speakers.html">SPEAKERS</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="schedule.html">SCHEDULE</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="packages.html">PACKAGES/COSTS</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="locationcontacts.html">LOCATIONS/CONTACTS</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="_blank" href="/images/REGISTRATIONform.pdf">REGISTRATION FORM</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center" valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="workshops.html">WORKSHOPS</a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td height="30" width="130" align="center"valign="center" nowrap bgcolor="#feedfe" background="images/button54.jpg"><a
target="main" href="Images-2002.htm">IMAGES FROM 2002</a></td>
</tr></tbody></table></div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="130"><tbody><tr>
<td width="130" align="center" valign="center"><a href="images/REGISTRATIONform.pdf" target="_blank"><img height="31"
hspace="15" vspace="45" border="0" src="images/getacro.gif" width="88" align="middle"></a></td>
</tr></tbody></table></body></html>

Note: the PDFs are targeted to a new window to prevent breaking your frames

Also Remove the bad tags at the end of your page after </html>
Delete </title><base target="main"> if you don't us the above code

PS
Your target in the second frame of your real home page is wrong
<frame name="main" src="home.html" target="home" scrolling="auto">
Points to a frame named "home" which does not exist
- should probably be "_self"




| Stefan
| www.womensconference.org
| It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta got it
| to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.
|
| The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in my
| mind.
|
| I was indeed using the small image as a background for each cell (to create
| my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column table).
| Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.
|
| I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons, so I decided to
| work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look like
| buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy about all
| the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough for some
| purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of memory and add way
| toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.
|
| Thanks for your thoughts. Diana
|
| | > If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be 256x54px for the
| full image to be in a cell background and your table
| > cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
| > - There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px (width) by 30 px
| cell
| >
| > If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported by all
| browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
| > cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should have a
| transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
| > browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)
| >
| > If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link
| >
| > --
| >
| > _____________________________________________
| > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > _____________________________________________
| >
| >
| | > | Stefan,
| > | The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) by 30 px high,
| but
| > | in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258 px by 58.
| I
| > | do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this isn't
| enough
| > | to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using CorelDraw).
| This
| > | doesn't make sense to me.
| > |
| > | For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an acceptable
| > | compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I checked and
| do
| > | have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| > | Diana
| > |
| > | | > | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| > | (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html viewing size
| in
| > | FP)
| > | Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the image size
| > | - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | _____________________________________________
| > | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > | _____________________________________________
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It was so
| badly
| > | | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
| redundancies
| > | I
| > | | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| > | |
| > | | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| > | |
| > | | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it up
| there
| > | | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others could
| actually
| > | | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it later. My
| > | | apologies. Diana
| > | |
| > | | | > | | See response in your duplicate post
| > | |
| > | | --
| > | |
| > | | _____________________________________________
| > | | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > | | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > | | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > | | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > | | _____________________________________________
| > | |
| > | |
| > | | | > | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| > | | |
| > | | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using pixel units
| in
| > | the
| > | | | graphic's software). I've
| > | | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and heighth
| to
| > | use
| > | | it
| > | | | as a background.
| > | | |
| > | | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and height to get
| > | close
| > | | | to the cell size.
| > | | |
| > | | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing game.
| > | | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| > | | |
| > | | |
| > | | |
| > | |
| > | |
| > | |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

With MS Image Composer, I just create a button image with shadow for each color, then added the
text, combined the text and image and saved as a GIF image with a white background, then imported
into FP.

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Dianah said:
I checked it out. They look good and crisp Thomas. Did you convert the
text to curves first ... or leave as text before exporting... just curious.

I've done what you did ... stacked the button images on top of one another
like that (with my own buttons) in a single cell. It worked ok just fine.
I've also tried it with FP's built in buttons and text, but its files are
big and spread themselves everywhere. I also couldn't make them wide enough
to accept the text I needed to add in some instances(with MS's text). In my
own buttons the text was already added (in the graphics software) ...
however, the text wasn't very clear when I had to resize them the button.

Diana,

Here is example of image buttons inserted into a table cell, stacked one on
top of the other, not as
table or cell background images. The text was add to the buttons via Image
Composer.

http://www.motophotowest.com/welcome.htm

--
==============================================
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WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


Dianah said:
Thomas,
I wish you were right, but I can't say that I'm convinced. I did this
before on another site (in the fall). I had a table with all different
sized cells and had a cell that I wanted to place an image in ... one that I
drew with CorelDraw (and it had text on it). It took forever, continually
resizing in CorelDraw to export for use with FP ... with a perfect fit. Why
is that so difficult. Shouldn't the pixel size be 1:1 between the programs?

Sizing these objects in FP makes for ugly images (I'm not sure why that
happens).

On the sizing issue ... perhaps Microsoft and Corel speaking different
dialects of pixel :). The tiling problem would disappear using this
method, but I don't seem to make the right "guess" when it comes to sizing.
Diana

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you design the buttons with your text in CD, then save as JPG or GIF image, then import into FP,
and insert into your table/cell, not as a background image, would
eliminate you current problems.
--
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Thomas, I'm using CorelDraw (CD) to create the graphics, export them, then
insert into Frontpage. I'm not using CD in any other way. Does that help?

I think you are right about the resizing, but then I run into the sizing
problem again ... and that's why I started this post in the first
place
...
I couldn't size my graphics accurately for my FP tables/cells. I export
from CorelDraw to various formats. I think I was using jpg for this project
(not a home now). I have no compression on the destination format for this
purpose as it's only 3 kb without compression - so it's full (true) size.
For some reason, I'm having to double approximate the double size required
in CorelDraw. It's a real mystery.

I don't know if the code for the site reveals anything that would
solve
this
sizing mystery.


Personally I found CorelDraw (I was using ver 6 at the time) not to be
good choice for creating web
graphics. I currently use MS Image Composer (no longer available)
for
all
of my graphic/image work
for the web.

If you need to resize your graphics / images you should always do this
outside of FP in a graphics /
image application where you have more control over the quality.

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Thomas,
I certainly considered doing that and have done it - but Frontpage
doesn't
allow me to add text (on top of the image). When I export the text
(with
the button) the text splotchy - not very clear. I consider that it
might be
a problem with the anti-aliasining of the text. If I end up
having
to
resize the button at all, the text becomes even worse looking.

Any thoughts on that.

I'll submit a to the CorelDraw newsgroup ... it might be a minor tweak
to
make the above work better - perhaps I should even convert the
text
to
curves first. I can't remember if I've done that before for this
purpose.

Thanks. Diana.

Another option would be to just use you images as buttons (with the
text
already placed on each in
your graphics application), then just insert and stack the buttons
into a
table with the number of
rows needed.

--
==============================================
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WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
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Stefan
www.womensconference.org
It's the nav bar down the left that I was working on. I kinda sorta
got
it
to work, but it's still not a perfect fit.

The pixel size of the table width and image width don't gel - not in
my
mind.

I was indeed using the small image as a background for each
cell
(to
create
my own look-alike buttons for the nav bar - in a single-column
table).
Until I learn another way to do this, this is what I'm doing.

I can't find where FrontPage will let me use my own buttons,
so
I
decided to
work-around it by added my own drawings as the background - to look
like
buttons (probably not the best way, but I can't say that I'm crazy
about
all
the buttons that FrontPage comes with - can't make them wide enough
for
some
purposes). They look ok, but they also take up a lot of
memory
and
add
way
toooooo many files to the directory - rather hideous.

Thanks for your thoughts. Diana

If your image size in PX is 258x58px the cell must be
256x54px
for
the
full image to be in a cell background and your table
cellspacing=0 and cellpadding=0
- There is no way a 258x58 image will tile in a 128 px
(width)
by
30
px
cell

If you are applying it as a table background image (not supported
by
all
browsers), then your table must be 256x54px and your table
cellspacing=0, cellpadding=0, border=0. Plus all your cells should
have a
transparent .gif as a cell background (to prevent some
browsers from tiling the table background in all cells)

If you have published the page w/ the table provide a link

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| Stefan,
| The cell width (in FP2003) is reported as 128 px (width) b
y
30
px
high,
but
| in the graphics software, I've had to draw the image to be 258
px by
58.
I
| do have a bit of border spacing ... 3 px all around, but this
isn't
enough
| to require the drawing to be doubled when I draw it (using
CorelDraw).
This
| doesn't make sense to me.
|
| For hours, I kept making refinements. I've achieved an
acceptable
| compromise, but I'd sure like to know how to do it right. I
checked
and
do
| have cell padding and spacing set to 4 and 2 (respectively).
| Diana
|
| | If you are applying an image as a cell background
| (set it to a fixed px size in your image editor, not a html
viewing
size
in
| FP)
| Make the cell size 2 px less than the height and width of the
image
size
| - set table cellspacing and cellpadding to 0
|
|
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|
| | | Sorry Stefan, I deleted the other post from my listing. It
was so
badly
| | written (I was in a bit of a "state") - and contained so many
redundancies
| I
| | couldn't believe I wrote it.
| |
| | Would you mind doing a copy/paste so that I can read it.
| |
| | I didn't mean to duplicate the post for the sake of putting it
up
there
| | twice! I just wanted to simplify my request so that others
could
actually
| | understand it. Even I found it confusing when I re-read it
later.
My
| | apologies. Diana
| |
| | | | See response in your duplicate post
| |
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| |
| | _____________________________________________
| | SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| | "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| | To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| | _____________________________________________
| |
| |
| | | | | Ok ... I'm having too much trouble with this.
| | |
| | | I've drawn an image (and can resize to any size - using
pixel
units
in
| the
| | | graphic's software). I've
| | | tried to make it the same size as the table cell width and
heighth
to
| use
| | it
| | | as a background.
| | |
| | | So far, I've had to make it double the pixel width and
height to
get
| close
| | | to the cell size.
| | |
| | | Can anyone help? I can't believe this is such a guessing
game.
| | | Thanks in advance. Diana
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
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