downloading windows xp home editions on 2 computers

Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

Let me see if that can be stretched to another area and it
makes sense.
But before I do, let me say that making archival copies, say
100 copies to place in safe deposit boxes, in many
locations, in case of fire, flood, etc. is legal. Giving
those copies away to friends or selling them is illegal.
The question is, installing them on more than one computer
at a time, correct?, agree so far.
The stretch...you're married to a 16 year old girl and have
installed your software on a regular schedule, does that
make it legal to install your software on other 16 year old
girls?

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| Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on
exclusive rights:
| Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of *Additional* Copy or Adaptation by Owner of
Copy. -
| Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not
an infringement for
| the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or
authorize the making of
| another copy or adaptation of that computer program
provided:
|
| (1) that such a *new* copy or adaptation is created as an
essential step
| in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction
with a
| machine and that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival
purposes only and that
| all archival copies are destroyed in the event that
continued possession of
| the computer program should cease to be rightful.
|
| The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the
legalese using
| MS's own definitions:
|
| Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the
exclusive rights of
| Copyright Owners: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a
Copy of Software. -
| It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software
to make another
| installation provided:
|
| (1) that such a *new* installation is made as a necessary
step in
| making use of the software together with a previously
unknown
| computer and that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| "(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival
purposes only and that
| all archival copies are destroyed in the event that
continued possession of
| the computer program should cease to be rightful"
|
| Installation -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=adaptation
|
| made -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=created
|
| necessary -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=essential
|
| making use -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=utilize
|
| together with -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=conjunction
|
| a previously unknown -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861582871
|
| or -
|
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=or
|
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Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

You know that this is really a question for a law forum?

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.

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| "Fair Use"
|
| > "Fair use is a copyright principle based on the
belief that the
| > public is entitled to freely use portions of copyrighted
materials
| > for purposes of commentary and criticism. For example,
if you wish
| > to criticize a novelist, you should have the freedom to
quote a
| > portion of the novelist's work without asking
permission. Absent this
| > freedom, copyright owners could stifle any negative
comments about
| > their work."
| >
| >
|
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html)
| >
| "Unfortunately, if the copyright owner disagrees with your
fair
| useinterpretation, the dispute will have to be resolved by
courts or
| arbitration." -
|
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html
|
| The copyright owner doesn't get to decide what is & is not
a "fair use."
|
| >
| > "Judges use four factors in resolving fair use
disputes, which are
| > discussed in detail below. It's important to understand
that these
| > factors are only guidelines and the courts are free to
adapt them to
| > particular situations on a case-by-case basis. In other
words, a judge
| > has a great deal of freedom when making a fair use
determination and
| > the outcome in any given case can be hard to predict.
| >
| > "The four factors judges consider are:
| >
| > 1.. the purpose and character of your use
|
| Private non-commercial individual use.
|
| "In a 1994 case, the Supreme Court emphasized this first
factor as being a
| primary indicator of fair use." -
|
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html
|
| Of course public commercial use is sometimes legally
allowable under "fair
| use." Private non-commercial use in the home would be the
most flexible
| form of "fair use."
|
| > 2.. the nature of the copyrighted work
|
| "In addition, you will have a stronger case of fair use if
the material
| copied is from a published work than an unpublished
work." -
|
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html
|
| Not only published, but sold in retail stores as a
commercial product.
|
| > 3.. the amount and substantiality of the portion
taken, and
|
| Entire. The Supreme Court in 1984, when considering the
taping of entire
| movies on a VCR already concluded that individuals can
copy an entire
| copyrighted work as a "fair use."
|
| > 4.. the effect of the use upon the potential market. "
| >
|
(http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview
/chapter9/9-b.ht
| ml)
|
| Non-existent since copyright owner was paid for the
original copy by the
| indivdiual, thereby has already gotten a "fair return" for
the creative
| labor of the author(s).
|
| "The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory
monopoly, like
| the limited copyright duration required by the
Constitution, reflects a
| balance of competing claims upon the public interest:
Creative work is
| to be encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must
ultimately
| serve the cause of promoting broad public availability of
literature,
| music, and the other arts. The immediate effect of our
copyright law is
| to secure a fair return for an 'author's' creative labor.
But the
| ultimate aim is, by this incentive, to stimulate artistic
creativity for
| the general public good. 'The sole interest of the United
States and
| the primary object in conferring the monopoly,' this Court
has said,
| 'lie in the general benefits derived by the public from
the labors of
| authors' . . . . When technological change has rendered
its literal
| terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be construed in
light of this
| basic purpose." - http://laws.findlaw.com/us/422/151.html
|
|
|
|
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John Ski · Jun 10, 2004

The stretch...you're married to a 16 year old girl and have

installed your software on a regular schedule, does that
make it legal to install your software on other 16 year old
girls?

Unfortunately...based on personal experience, it is EXTREMELY difficult to
install personal software in a female of any age. Hardware is far easier and
considerable more mutually satisfying.

Cheers,
John
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
***Arthur C. Clarke***

Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

Well, this is a true, but what about firmware?

| >The stretch...you're married to a 16 year old girl and
have
| >installed your software on a regular schedule, does that
| >make it legal to install your software on other 16 year
old
| >girls?
|
| Unfortunately...based on personal experience, it is
EXTREMELY difficult to
| install personal software in a female of any age. Hardware
is far easier and
| considerable more mutually satisfying.
|
| Cheers,
| John
| "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic"
| ***Arthur C. Clarke***

hermes · Jun 10, 2004

Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:

"Fair Use"

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.h
tml)
"Unfortunately, if the copyright owner disagrees with your fair
useinterpretation, the dispute will have to be resolved by courts or
arbitration." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.h
tml

The copyright owner doesn't get to decide what is & is not a "fair
use."

Private non-commercial individual use.

"In a 1994 case, the Supreme Court emphasized this first factor as
being a primary indicator of fair use." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.htm
l

Of course public commercial use is sometimes legally allowable under
"fair use." Private non-commercial use in the home would be the most
flexible form of "fair use."

"In addition, you will have a stronger case of fair use if the
material copied is from a published work than an unpublished work." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.htm
l

Not only published, but sold in retail stores as a commercial product.

Entire. The Supreme Court in 1984, when considering the taping of
entire movies on a VCR already concluded that individuals can copy an
entire copyrighted work as a "fair use."

(http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.ht
ml)

Non-existent since copyright owner was paid for the original copy by
the indivdiual, thereby has already gotten a "fair return" for the
creative labor of the author(s).

"The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory monopoly, like
the limited copyright duration required by the Constitution, reflects
a balance of competing claims upon the public interest: Creative work
is
to be encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must ultimately
serve the cause of promoting broad public availability of literature,
music, and the other arts. The immediate effect of our copyright law
is to secure a fair return for an 'author's' creative labor. But the
ultimate aim is, by this incentive, to stimulate artistic creativity
for the general public good. 'The sole interest of the United States
and
the primary object in conferring the monopoly,' this Court has said,
'lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of
authors' . . . . When technological change has rendered its literal
terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be construed in light of this
basic purpose." - http://laws.findlaw.com/us/422/151.html

Great info!

May I please quote you on this?

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I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.

Joh N. · Jun 10, 2004

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

I'm an idiot who top-posts and has no clue about snipping.

Cheap clues are sold over there ----->

kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Jim said:
You know that this is really a question for a law forum?

Why? Since I was asked about it here, and it has to do with "fairly
using" Windows XP, this discussion should take place anywhere else.

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kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

hermes said:
Before the MVP (M$ Victim Poster) Hermes responded, kurttrail typed:
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.h
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.h
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.htm
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.htm
(http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-
b.ht

Great info! May I please quote you on this?

Certainly!

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kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Jim said:
Let me see if that can be stretched to another area and it
makes sense.
But before I do, let me say that making archival copies, say
100 copies to place in safe deposit boxes, in many
locations, in case of fire, flood, etc. is legal.

Well, the copies or adaptations don't neccessarily need to be archival,
as archival copies are only cover under Section 117 (a) (2).

Giving
those copies away to friends or selling them is illegal.

It is an infringement only if the copyright owners convinces a judge of
it, and then the judge rules against you.

The question is, installing them on more than one computer
at a time, correct?, agree so far.
The stretch...you're married to a 16 year old girl and have
installed your software on a regular schedule, does that
make it legal to install your software on other 16 year old
girls?

Huh? You are one sick dude to think that a 16 girl equates to a
inanimate object.

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Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

My answers in CAPS inserted below
"kurttrail" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| > Let me see if that can be stretched to another area and
it
| > makes sense.
| > But before I do, let me say that making archival copies,
say
| > 100 copies to place in safe deposit boxes, in many
| > locations, in case of fire, flood, etc. is legal.
|
| Well, the copies or adaptations don't neccessarily need to
be archival,
| as archival copies are only cover under Section 117 (a)
(2).
|
| > Giving
| > those copies away to friends or selling them is illegal.
|
| It is an infringement only if the copyright owners
convinces a judge of
| it, and then the judge rules against you. WHICH THE JUDGE
WILL DO.
|
| > The question is, installing them on more than one
computer
| > at a time, correct?, agree so far.
| > The stretch...you're married to a 16 year old girl and
have
| > installed your software on a regular schedule, does that
| > make it legal to install your software on other 16 year
old
| > girls?
|
| Huh? You are one sick dude to think that a 16 girl
equates to a
| inanimate object. REMEMBERING BACK TO MY YOUTH, ALL THE
16 YEAR OLD GIRLS I KNEW WERE VERY ANIMATE.
|
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kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Jim said:
My answers in CAPS inserted below
"kurttrail" <[email protected]>
wrote in message

REMEMBERING BACK TO MY YOUTH, ALL THE
16 YEAR OLD GIRLS I KNEW WERE VERY ANIMATE.

So what do 16 year old girls have in common with computers that have the
same copy of software installed on them? Or are you just trying to
confuse the issue to the point that nobody knows what the f*ck is
gonning on?

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Gregory A Greenman · Jun 10, 2004

http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/ - For how Section 117 is applicable

For Section 107 - Fair Use:

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." -
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/464/417.html

Fair use refers to using quotes of parts of a text or playing a
brief segment of music from a recording. It most definitely does
not allow verbatim copying of the entire source material.

In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of
copyrighted material done for a limited and "transformative"
purpose such as to comment upon, criticize or parody a
copyrighted work.
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapt
er9/9-a.html

(Using the same site you cited in another post.)

LOL!

It appears you don't know what the word means. It sounds to me
like "hypocrisy" is just a generic insult you like to hurl at
anyone that disagrees with you. It has a very specific meaning.

No, you cut out the relevant part that shows that the copyright owner rights
ARE limited under and by copyright law.

Because the question I was answering was what part of copyright
law permits a copyright owner to limit use of its material.
Exceptions obviously don't do that. Thus, they were irrelevant to
my answer. If I was trying to be deceitful, I wouldn't have shown
that I had omitted text via use of ellipses and I wouldn't have
supplied a link to the entire code section.

Why?

Because they cover situations that are not in evidence from the
original poster's post.

And you are.

Then demonstrate it. Obviously the fair use exception doesn't
apply. Is there another?

Why didn't you read them? I did give you the links. You had the
opportunity to read the and rebutt them, but instead you'd rather just say
that they are irrelevant, and that they don't apply.

Stop playing games, and explain your opinions! I explained mine over and
over again here, without one of you Copyright fascists making even a dent in
them over the years!

Copyright fascists? What makes me a "Copyright fascist"? The fact
that I disagree with you over what the law says? Or is it
something else?

http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=S...as_maxd=10&as_maxm=6&as_maxy=2004&safe=images

http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=&...as_maxd=10&as_maxm=6&as_maxy=2004&safe=images

Am I supposed to read every post you've ever made on the subject?

kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Gregory said:
Fair use refers to using quotes of parts of a text or playing a
brief segment of music from a recording. It most definitely does
not allow verbatim copying of the entire source material.

BS! Please refer to my "Fair Use" post.

In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of
copyrighted material done for a limited and "transformative"
purpose such as to comment upon, criticize or parody a
copyrighted work.
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapt
er9/9-a.html

"In it's most general sense" the "fair use" section of Copyright law,
only covers public and/or commercial uses. The Supreme Court already
made precedent that individuals may copy an entire work as a "fair use"
in Sony v. Universal 1984.

(Using the same site you cited in another post.)

I hadn't noticed! [Heavy sarcasm]

It appears you don't know what the word means. It sounds to me
like "hypocrisy" is just a generic insult you like to hurl at
anyone that disagrees with you. It has a very specific meaning.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypocrisy

Because the question I was answering was what part of copyright
law permits a copyright owner to limit use of its material.

WRONG! "Show us the words in Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117 that
prohibits the
installing of software on more than one computer!"

And of course you cut out the relevant words that show the copyright
owners rights are, in FACT, limited.

Exceptions obviously don't do that. Thus, they were irrelevant to
my answer.

Because it shows that your answer is dubious, at best.

If I was trying to be deceitful, I wouldn't have shown
that I had omitted text via use of ellipses and I wouldn't have
supplied a link to the entire code section.

Because they cover situations that are not in evidence from the
original poster's post.
How?

Then demonstrate it. Obviously the fair use exception doesn't
apply. Is there another?

Yes it does, and if the copyright owner disagrees, then he'd have to
prove it by suing me and winning!

Copyright fascists? What makes me a "Copyright fascist"? The fact
that I disagree with you over what the law says? Or is it
something else?

What makes you a copyright fascist is portraying that only the copyright
owner can authorize the making of copies, when in fact, so can the owner
of the copy of a copyrighted work.

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Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Jim said:
Since the threads you start about EULA have no relation to
many subjects, I'd rather talk about the 16-18 year old
girls I kissed 40 years ago.

You're losing it in your old age, ya know.

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kurttrail · Jun 10, 2004

Jim said:
Since the threads you start about EULA have no relation to
many subjects, I'd rather talk about the 16-18 year old
girls I kissed 40 years ago.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7799

GWB - Iranian Secret Agent!

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Jim Macklin · Jun 10, 2004

Joh N. · Jun 11, 2004

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pento use,
wrote:

Since the threads you start about EULA have no relation to
many subjects, I'd rather talk about the 16-18 year old
girls I kissed 40 years ago.

Fùcking retard.

Joh N. · Jun 11, 2004

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pento use,
wrote:

Haven't kissed a 16 year old girl for far too long, lost it
a long time ago. Thanks for caring.

Fùcking retard.

Jim Macklin · Jun 11, 2004

No, I like my girls with high IQs. Oh, you meant me. No,
wrong there, too.

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end
of the pen to use,
wrote:

Since the threads you start about EULA have no relation to
many subjects, I'd rather talk about the 16-18 year old
girls I kissed 40 years ago.

Fùcking retard.

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