Downgrade to XP pro

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John John (MVP)

Luc said:
I thought Vista Home had no downgrade right?

You have to buy the Vista Business edition to obtain downgrade rights to
Windows XP Professional. Vista Home has no downgrade rights. Downgrade
rights are given to businesses who might want to purchase new computers
but who do not want a mixed environment, there are often very good
reasons to keep all the computers with the same operating system in a
business environment or on a domain. Downgrade right are not new, they
have always existed for business customers, you could have purchased XP
Pro computers and downgraded them to Windows 2000 if you wanted.

John
 
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Luc

I would advise that you learn to live with Vista and forget the instant
gratification ploy, It is, in fact, superior to XP.

But superior in what?

You can set up XP to be more secure than a default Vista. What Vista does
is pretend to give in to those who STILL insist on running everything as
administrator, and better protect them from themselves.

On the positive side, Vista forces some application developers (including a
few in their own ranks) to think about the rights an application really
needs, instead of to expect that administrator will be the only access
level ever used.



What I did on some W2K and XP machines is rename the administrator account
to something else, and create a new "Administrator" account that's really a
power user.

Some of them never notice, but you can count on it that those who DO notice
start searching for something that doesn't work, to complain about.
The less knowledgeable they are about common security practices (such as
NOT clicking on every link because it's there), the harder they complain.

And why do managers need administrator rights? Because they don't want an
admin ever to have to come near their machine, afraid he'll find something
that shouldn't be there.
In the case of our general manager that's downloaded mp3's, and he still
believes I don't know.

Or maybe there's something I *really* shouldn't see, and those mp3's are
just a decoy ;)
 
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BLC

Not exactly any OS - If you purchased Vista with a Notebook/PC though an OEM
there are constraints on how far and to which editions you can go back to.

Rights to OEM versions of systems software are granted in the OEM License
Terms. The OEM License Terms for most OEM versions of systems software do not
grant downgrade rights. The exception is the OEM License Terms for the
Windows® XP Professional operating system and the Windows Vista™ Business and
Windows Vista Ultimate operating systems, which grant downgrade rights. See
the full text of the OEM License Terms for the specific downgrade rights.

Basically if you buy Vista Business you can downgrade to XP Pro

Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP
Professional?
Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows
Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms.
Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows
Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP
Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the
following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the end
user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder
hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the
Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating system
is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end user
cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista Business.
There are no downgrade rights granted for Windows Vista Home Basic or Windows
Vista Home Premium.

Hope this helps

BLC
 
R

Rich Pitt

Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right mode for
me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have a newer version
on hand.

Any way to get arround this???
 
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Peter Foldes

Rich

You need to boot with the XP CD inside your computers CD-ROM to get the option you
are looking for
 
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Canuck57

Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right mode
for
me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have a newer
version
on hand.

Any way to get arround this???

Yep, get a Linux Live CD, any version will do. Then go into the
partitioning and blow away the Vista partition. Then reboot the XP install.

Linux is notorious for having what Microsoft doesn't have.
 
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BillW50

In Rich Pitt typed onSat, 26 Sep 2009 14:46:01 -0700 :
Haveing a heck of a time getting the XP disk to boot into the right
mode for me to do anything to get Vista off. Keeps saying that I have
a newer version on hand.

Any way to get arround this???

Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder on the CD bypasses the downgrade
problem.
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about your
specific problems. State your IE version and current full Windows version
(e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.
 
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BillW50

In PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:
One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.

Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.
 
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Daave

BillW50 said:
In PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:
One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.

Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.

The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled those
terms, all I got were your posts! See:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="ntwin32.exe"+i386&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Perhaps you're thinking of another file?
 
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Greg

One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about your
specific problems. State your IE version and current full Windows version
(e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.

Yes you can.

Vista pro to windows xp pro (Large Companies only)

Or certain Oems that have preinstalled Vista (Home or pro) can be
downgrade to xp (Home or pro)


Greg
 
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BillW50

In Daave typed on :
BillW50 said:
In PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:
One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.

Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.

The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled
those terms, all I got were your posts! See:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="ntwin32.exe"+i386&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Perhaps you're thinking of another file?

Yes sorry, winnt32.exe.
 
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Rick Rogers

They're not talking about downgrade rights, they're talking about the actual
action of replacing Vista with XP. And, it's not a downgrade in that you
cannot migrate user accounts and installed software as is possible in an
upgrade, you can only create a clean installation.

And, downgrade rights are something that is generally not offered at the
consumer level. A few do, the majority do not.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
Vote for my shoe: http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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Greg

They're not talking about downgrade rights, they're talking about the actual
action of replacing Vista with XP. And, it's not a downgrade in that you
cannot migrate user accounts and installed software as is possible in an
upgrade, you can only create a clean installation.

And, downgrade rights are something that is generally not offered at the
consumer level. A few do, the majority do not.

Dell does, I think there were losing money with Vista. Now if
windows 7 does fine. That should help them a lot.

They let you try out Vista, if it doesn't work they provide a way to
downgrade to xp. (You wont be able to go back to Vista). It will
keep some of your setting from the way I understand it. Some apps
may need to be reinstalled.



Greg
 
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Daave

BillW50 said:
In Daave typed on :
BillW50 said:
In PA Bear [MS MVP] typed on Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:50:14 -0400:
One more time: To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread about
your specific problems. State your IE version and current full
Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post.

PS: You cannot downgrade from Vista to WinXP.

Sure you can. Run ntwin32.exe from the i386 folder.

The I386 folder from an XP installation CD? I checked mine (XP Home,
generic OEM, SP3) and there was no such file. Also, when I Googled
those terms, all I got were your posts! See:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="ntwin32.exe"+i386&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Perhaps you're thinking of another file?

Yes sorry, winnt32.exe.

No prob. Thanks for the info.
 
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Rick Rogers

Hi Greg,
It will keep some of your setting from the way I understand it. Some apps
may need to be reinstalled.

All downgrades from Vista to XP are a wipe and reload, there is no migration
path for applications and user accounts or settings. This applies
universally regardless of vendor. What some vendors *might* do is include
applications with their proprietary downgrade imaging media, or an
installation disk for them, but ones that exist in the Vista installation
cannot be retained as part of the downgrade process. No user accounts or
settings are retained in any fashion.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
Vote for my shoe: http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 

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