Dont do SP1!!!!!!! Stupid %$#&@ Activation nonsense!

[Vigilante]

If you try the lousy SP1 RC1 Service Pack you will end up having to call
Microshaft...Again!!!!
This sucks!!!
What a bunch of stupid criminals!

 

[Tom Lake]

If you try the lousy SP1 RC1 Service Pack you will end up having to call
Microshaft...Again!!!!
This sucks!!!
What a bunch of stupid criminals!

I didn't have to. Also, why is it criminal to require a toll-free phone
call?

Tom Lake

 

[Vigilante]

Its criminal to hold my system hostage again and again.
What part of simple human dignity don't you understand?

If you try the lousy SP1 RC1 Service Pack you will end up having to call
Microshaft...Again!!!!
This sucks!!!
What a bunch of stupid criminals!

I didn't have to. Also, why is it criminal to require a toll-free phone
call?

Tom Lake

 

[Mick Murphy]

It's BETA; YOU take your chances!

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Why are you installing a Beta product if you are not willing to accept
the risks?
There is nothing criminal especially when you chose to test an
unfinished product.

 

[AJR]

And you did verify your legal rights via the licensing agreement (which of
course you did read)?

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

If you try the lousy SP1 RC1 Service Pack you will end up having to call
Microshaft...Again!!!!
This sucks!!!
What a bunch of stupid criminals!

You are obviously not cut out for beta testing. Find a new hobby..

 

[Dustin Harper]

Wow. You seem upset.

I didn't have to reactivate. You don't have to load the pre-release of
SP1 on your machine. It's voluntary, and it is not the final product.
You accept that certain issues may or may not arise by using the
pre-released service pack.

Criminal? I don't think so. It's the way all pre-release software is.

 

[JW]

I also had no troubles installing SP1 on either my Vista desktop or laptop
just as easily as any other update and was never asked to activate again.

 

[Vigilante]

I got decent mainstream hardware.
All Vista compatible from their own listings.
I'm sick of the constant blackmail phone calls.
It is an old legacy system from Xp that sucked then and sucks now.
I want an XP OS, but I'm afraid their next service pack is just going to perpetuate the same nonsense.
I don't respect MS anymore. They don't respect my purchase.
They don't respect their users at all.

I also had no troubles installing SP1 on either my Vista desktop or laptop
just as easily as any other update and was never asked to activate again.

 

[f/fgeorge]

I got decent mainstream hardware.
All Vista compatible from their own listings.
I'm sick of the constant blackmail phone calls.
It is an old legacy system from Xp that sucked then and sucks now.
I want an XP OS, but I'm afraid their next service pack is just going to perpetuate the same nonsense.
I don't respect MS anymore. They don't respect my purchase.
They don't respect their users at all.

And you are going to actually do what about it? Post your complaints
here? Did that, don't need to again. Buy or use a different OS, not an
easy thing for a long time Windows user. So like the rest of us you
are stuck using software from a company you don't care for. Okay now
move on, they write the software, we either use it or we don't. Like
me, you will probably continue using it. Feel better now?

 

[Drew]

Hey Moron !! learn how to use a computer and get a friggin dictionary and look up the word Beta !!
Its criminal to hold my system hostage again and again.
What part of simple human dignity don't you understand?

If you try the lousy SP1 RC1 Service Pack you will end up having to call
Microshaft...Again!!!!
This sucks!!!
What a bunch of stupid criminals!

I didn't have to. Also, why is it criminal to require a toll-free phone
call?

Tom Lake

 

[f/fgeorge]

I didn't have to. Also, why is it criminal to require a toll-free phone
call?

Tom Lake

Personally I think the assumption by MS that we are ALL criminals is
ridiculous! What MS needs is a way to either make Windows cheap so
everyone will buy it, or lock it down so tight no one will buy it.
This system of sending out updates and requiring phone calls is not
promoting good will towards them, especially when Linux in general is
making a large push to make that program even easier for us Windows
folks to switch to. Many, many people are beginnning to dislike MS
even more than they ever did and are making the unheard of switch to
Linux, or even Mac's, at home while still using MS at work. In the
past this was how MS got into the home, thru the familiarity of
business machines by the multitudes of peoples(us). As MS makes its
software more and more difficult ot use we will switch and MS will
lose its market share. Many, many businesses, and even some Countries,
have switched to Linux!
Just a thought process.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Personally I think the assumption by MS that we are ALL criminals is
ridiculous! What MS needs is a way to either make Windows cheap so
everyone will buy it, or lock it down so tight no one will buy it.
This system of sending out updates and requiring phone calls is not
promoting good will towards them, especially when Linux in general is
making a large push to make that program even easier for us Windows
folks to switch to. Many, many people are beginnning to dislike MS
even more than they ever did and are making the unheard of switch to
Linux, or even Mac's, at home while still using MS at work. In the
past this was how MS got into the home, thru the familiarity of
business machines by the multitudes of peoples(us). As MS makes its
software more and more difficult ot use we will switch and MS will
lose its market share. Many, many businesses, and even some Countries,
have switched to Linux!
Just a thought process.

Why should MS have to sell it so cheap? Nobody expects any other
manufacturer to do that in a bid to stop theft.

And where is the data re how many try Linux and find out that they can't do
anything with it, or buy a Mac and regret it afterwards?

Many, many? Name ten companies and ten countries who have switched entirely
to Linux.

MS would not be liked by some even if the company gave out free high end
computers. It appears to be fashionable to dislike MS, but a good few MS
haters still post here through IE6. They don't hate MS enough to lose XP and
turn over to an OS that will hardly run any popular software at all.

 

[Tom Lake]

Personally I think the assumption by MS that we are ALL criminals is
ridiculous!

Do you have a lock on the doors to your home? If you do then are you
assuming
that everyone who walks near your place is a criminal? Of course not.

Tom Lake

 

[f/fgeorge]

Why should MS have to sell it so cheap? Nobody expects any other
manufacturer to do that in a bid to stop theft.

Because then the cheaters would find it easier to just buy the
software. If, for instance, MS sold Win2K for $25.00 US, how many
people would buy it? THOUSANDS! Maybe even HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! Why
because they would then be able to get the auto updates and not be
thought of as thieves. Yes I am aware that there are websites that you
can download all updates from besides MS. When MS moves on to the next
version of the OS then XP would be available cheap. I am NOT saying
they should sell the most recent version for next to nothing. I am
just saying that they could keep the income flowing and the cheaters
down by offering older versions for next to nothing.
What about Office 97? MS is doing a HUGE push for Office 2007, what
about the 10 year old version, how much revenue is it generating now?
Stretch out the revenue stream and maybe the product costs come down
for the new stuff. If you spend 10 million writing a new program and
need to recoup that within 10 years, you must make a million a year.
But if you had 15 or even 20 years of revenue stream, your selling
price can come down dramatically!

And where is the data re how many try Linux and find out that they can't do
anything with it, or buy a Mac and regret it afterwards?

Many, many? Name ten companies and ten countries who have switched entirely
to Linux.

Agreed, and no I am not going to get into that with you, it does not
further this discussion. They are available for those that wish to do
a Google search.

MS would not be liked by some even if the company gave out free high end
computers. It appears to be fashionable to dislike MS, but a good few MS
haters still post here through IE6. They don't hate MS enough to lose XP and
turn over to an OS that will hardly run any popular software at all.

Again agreed, But as I said in my original statement, the number of
people leaving is growing by the day.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Because then the cheaters would find it easier to just buy the
software. If, for instance, MS sold Win2K for $25.00 US, how many
people would buy it? THOUSANDS! Maybe even HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! Why
because they would then be able to get the auto updates and not be
thought of as thieves. Yes I am aware that there are websites that you
can download all updates from besides MS. When MS moves on to the next
version of the OS then XP would be available cheap. I am NOT saying
they should sell the most recent version for next to nothing. I am
just saying that they could keep the income flowing and the cheaters
down by offering older versions for next to nothing.
What about Office 97? MS is doing a HUGE push for Office 2007, what
about the 10 year old version, how much revenue is it generating now?
Stretch out the revenue stream and maybe the product costs come down
for the new stuff. If you spend 10 million writing a new program and
need to recoup that within 10 years, you must make a million a year.
But if you had 15 or even 20 years of revenue stream, your selling
price can come down dramatically!

Agreed, and no I am not going to get into that with you, it does not
further this discussion. They are available for those that wish to do
a Google search.


Again agreed, But as I said in my original statement, the number of
people leaving is growing by the day.

If MS sold software for ONE dollar, there would still be those who would
pirate it to save the money.

If they were to re-release old stuff, they would then have to continue to
support it, but would hardware drivers be around for new stuff, because MS
don't do drivers.

It would have to be OEM, and the OEMs are not going to offer a ten year old
Office Suite as a major selling factor until such time as hell freezes over.

We see people here and reported in the IT online press claiming to be going
to Linux and Mac. We don't know how many do, and we don't know how many
sheepishly return to MS Vista while avoiding any fanfare.

One can be sure that one or two here use a non-MS newsgroup reader to cover
the fact that they are still using XP.

 

[f/fgeorge]

If MS sold software for ONE dollar, there would still be those who would
pirate it to save the money.
True

If they were to re-release old stuff, they would then have to continue to
support it, but would hardware drivers be around for new stuff, because MS
don't do drivers.

I am not sure drivers are need for software programs, are they? Or are
you thinking of the hardware those older programs supported? Is that
even how it was/is done then or now?

It would have to be OEM, and the OEMs are not going to offer a ten year old
Office Suite as a major selling factor until such time as hell freezes over.

I don't understand why. If MS were to ofeer Office 97 to anyone and
everyone for $10.00, thru the website only, why would the OEMs be
involved? I am missing something here obviously.

We see people here and reported in the IT online press claiming to be going
to Linux and Mac. We don't know how many do, and we don't know how many
sheepishly return to MS Vista while avoiding any fanfare.

And there is no way to know how many Linux users leave it because of
whatever reason and then go back because of Windows pecularities. Some
things are just not knowable.

One can be sure that one or two here use a non-MS newsgroup reader to cover
the fact that they are still using XP.

Of course, wouldn't you?! For all we know you could be doing that. You
say you are an MVP but that doesn't mean that you are not using, and
loving, Linux and using some newsgroup reader that says it is an MS
product. And before you go there I take you at your word, I have no
care in the World as to what programs you are using or not using. AND
I am NOT saying you are using this program or that program! I am just
saying that people cover their tracks when they feel the need.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"that doesn't mean that you are not using, and loving, Linux"
Many MVPs do.
There is nothing exclusive about either one and many are both.

"If MS were to ofeer Office 97 to anyone and everyone for $10.00..."
There are laws governing merchantability.
This would not necessarily apply to OEMs unless they also distribute
unsupported software.
That may come into play if Microsoft chose to sell older software such
as unsupported Office 97.
Since it is no longer supported or sold, there is no requirement that
updates be issued even if a new major vulnerability is discovered.
That may need to change if Microsoft continued to sell unsupported
products.
If you sell something, you should support it.

 

[f/fgeorge]

"that doesn't mean that you are not using, and loving, Linux"
Many MVPs do.
There is nothing exclusive about either one and many are both.

Agreed and not intended to put you on the spot or anything.

"If MS were to ofeer Office 97 to anyone and everyone for $10.00..."
There are laws governing merchantability.
This would not necessarily apply to OEMs unless they also distribute
unsupported software.
That may come into play if Microsoft chose to sell older software such
as unsupported Office 97.
Since it is no longer supported or sold, there is no requirement that
updates be issued even if a new major vulnerability is discovered.
That may need to change if Microsoft continued to sell unsupported
products.
If you sell something, you should support it.

But that was the beauty of my idea, cheap meant no support except
whatever is online already. MS COULD provide a forum, or reopen those
old ones, but that would be the one caveat to selling older software,
no tech support or updates provided. The one other thing it provides,
in a round about kind of way, is an upgrade path for those that want
it. If someone were to purchase Office 97 for $25.00 and then want to
upgrade to Office 2007, they would be able to. More money coming in
for MS but less money expended by the end user. Less money than those
have no upgrade path, but still who wouldn't chose to save money? It
wouldn't even be necessary to install 97, just prove your license is
valid.
Anyway this all started because MS is requiring the phone calls, or
whatever, for revalidation too often, IMO. I do understand the idea
and principal behind the current method, at least basicly. But to
require a phone call when MS pushes out an update is absolutely
uncalled for, and detrimental to the whole idea. And to prevent some
of the calls maybe MS needs to monitor their software and not the
total hardware on the system. When I add memory or swap out the cpu I
should not be penalized with a phone call. And yes I understand that
is not enough 'points' to require one, but throw in a motherboard
update and it would be. Aren't I entitled to move the software from
any one machine I own to any other machine I own, as long as it is
only on ONE machine? Not in MS's opinion. And that is where the open
source ideal of Linux comes in. I can buy any parts I want and Linux
will happily enjoy the upgrades. I can even buy a new barebones box
and have some friend come in and move the whole shebang over to the
new box and Linux says 'okay, next'. MS says 'thief, thief! And that
is the problem. Maybe if MS were a bit mroe protective of the number I
amrequired to put in when installing the software that would solve the
problem. Yes I understand about stealing, but MS should be able to
solve that with all of their expertise. Maybe holding businesses more
responsible for the numbers they use.