Different Behavior with 2000 than 98se...

[Steve Goodman]

I've noted two items which show a different process at work somehow in
Windows 2000 than with Windows 98se.

1. Bringing up the source of an email in Outlook Express, one can highlight
and copy the source that pops up with Alt-F3, but not cut or delete it. I
only noticed because in the processing of spam, I forward the headers etc.
(source) to the party-in-question. What's at work in 2000 that causes this
to be the case?

2. The dear old Repair Internet Explorer wizard is nowhere to be found.
Similarly, neither "Internet Explorer" or "Microsoft Internet Explorer" are
in Add-Remove Programs. When one used to fix IE's hiccups (especially with
v6), the Repair wizard generally helped a great deal. This used to be
accessed via either Add-Remove Programs, or via the Tools menu on System
Information. Neither does at this point.

Suggestions? Thanks.

 

[Steve Goodman]

I've noted two items which show a different process at work somehow in
Windows 2000 than with Windows 98se.

1. Bringing up the source of an email in Outlook Express, one can highlight
and copy the source that pops up with Alt-F3, but not cut or delete it. I
only noticed because in the processing of spam, I forward the headers etc.
(source) to the party-in-question. What's at work in 2000 that causes this
to be the case?

2. The dear old Repair Internet Explorer wizard is nowhere to be found.
Similarly, neither "Internet Explorer" or "Microsoft Internet Explorer" are
in Add-Remove Programs. When one used to fix IE's hiccups (especially with
v6), the Repair wizard generally helped a great deal. This used to be
accessed via either Add-Remove Programs, or via the Tools menu on System
Information. Neither does at this point.

Suggestions? Thanks.

C'mon. Has noone experienced the above? This IS the '2000 ng, after all.

 

[Rick]

Are you saying Ctrl+F3/Ctrl+A/Ctrl+C doesn't work for you?
Why would one need to cut or delete this text?

Just find and execute ie6setup.exe. Same difference.

Rick

 

[Steve Goodman]

Are you saying Ctrl+F3/Ctrl+A/Ctrl+C doesn't work for you?
Why would one need to cut or delete this text?

Type-ahead, as we old DOS users used to know it, is not the same in a
Windowed environment. When wading through over 40 kiddie-porn spam messages
with the intent to report the singular offender (in this case), I started
Cutting instead of Copying as one way to make sure that the Copy/Cut
happened, so that what was pasted into the forwarded message was indeed the
true source, and not something else.

In addition, being an old Framework/BRIEF user, Ctrl-Shift-End instead of
Ctrl-A was my method of highlighting everything. The sequence
Ctrl-F3/Ctrl-Shift-End/Ctrl-X was a lot simpler, and, prior to Windows 2000,
worked fine. Now, when the Cut (Ctrl-X) is done in this sequence, the
cut/copy doesn't happen - and instead an error sound results. In the
meantime I've started learning to Copy with Ctrl-C instead, but it's still a
pain, and in any event it caused a small delay in my own processing of such
material - enough to account for a 10% increase in the amount of time it
takes to do the lot.

Note if you will that, in a session using EDIT (command prompt window),
Ctrl-F3/Ctrl-Shift-End/Ctrl-X does just what it's supposed to. This would
indicate that there wasn't a deliberate design change involved here. I
don't want to get into some flame war about whether or not spam should be
reported or just deleted and ignored (Ostrich mode IMNSHO), so my question
is, was this intentional, and if so, why?

Just find and execute ie6setup.exe. Same difference.

One might wonder at my attention to detail here, but I think it makes a
large difference, especially when the routes to IE Repair that have in the
past been suggested by MS and MVPs alike no longer exist post-98se. Since I
recognize the change-of-support aspect in this, it would seem that MVPs at
least might be capable of sharing their take on a relatively common thing
like this. It's not as if IE6 has become perfect or something, now, is it?

Thanks for answering.

S.

 

[Steve Goodman]

If you like to report a lot of spam then look into a utility such as
SpamCop which can do so with a few mouse clicks. The copy
(or copy+cut)/paste routine is slow and obsolete.

I'm justifiably leery of any middlemen in this area, as I wonder what they
actually do with all of that data, frankly - and if it does the slightest
bit of good, unless it's an entire ISP at fault. Slow, not really, as I
type 70wpm. Obsolete? That would be a matter of opinion. I get
"positive-kill" answers on 75% of the complaints I submit, and tend to
believe that, if more folks did as I do in this regard, spam would be less
of the problem it is today.

Don't know for sure, maybe MS was trying to prevent casual
modifications of email headers? Just a wild (and probably
wrong) guess.

Since one can't save such mods back to the same file through OE, it would
remain to be seen what MS would get out of such a design / UI change.

it?

I'll leave them to answer this, since I'm neither MS nor a MVP.

Somehow I figure the absence of response is an indicator of SOMETHING, most
likely the absence of the information-in-question. Can't stop wondering,
frankly. Maybe they'll give me a job in QA for the London office.

 

[Rick]

Wrong-o. Executing ie6setup.exe brings up the complete installation whereby
one either chooses Reinstall all components, or Exit. This is NOT the IE
Repair tool, unless someone knows of a command-line parameter to give to it
to make a repair/modify/uninstall dialog appear, as used to be the case.

The net effect (i.e. clean base install) is the same. You can also
do Start/Run/ and enter the following (this is all one command):

rundll32 setupwbv.dll,IE6Maintenance C:\Program Files\
Internet Explorer\IE Uninstall\W2KEXCP.EXE /u

Rick