Different approach on my UMAX ASTRA 6450 problem

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Jethro

I don't think I have asked this before.

But I wonder - has anyone out there EVER gotten a UMAX ASTRA 6450
Firewire scanner to work under WXP?

Thanx

Jethro
 
G

Grinder

Jethro said:
I don't think I have asked this before.

But I wonder - has anyone out there EVER gotten a UMAX ASTRA 6450
Firewire scanner to work under WXP?

I've only tried to get three UMAX scanners to work. From that
experience I cannot say that any UMAX scanner has ever worked on any
operating system. Crap, crap and more crap.

Hopefully, though, my tangent will not jinx your efforts. Good luck.
 
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Paul

Jethro said:
I don't think I have asked this before.

But I wonder - has anyone out there EVER gotten a UMAX ASTRA 6450
Firewire scanner to work under WXP?

Thanx

Jethro

I got another lead for you. Based on Robert Heiling's posting
about the umaxfirstaid.de web site, there is a copy of that
web site on archive.org. While the indexing of the site is
not in good shape, you can get a pair of files here. My guess
would be, the first .exe, is a self-extracting RAR, and the
r00 is the second segment. Make sure both files are in a
common folder, before double clicking the .exe .

http://web.archive.org/web/20021122111155/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.exe
http://web.archive.org/web/20021122105838/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00

There is a little trick to this. The first link should be OK.
You should be able to safely click on it, and be prompted
to save. (At least I hope so...)

But the second link seems to have a small MIME problem, at
least on my browser. (Currently, the browser that tried to download
the .r00, is running 100% CPU :) )

Go to this page, then hold your mouse over the
" www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00 " link. Right-mouse
and select "Save as" for that link, and hopefully the
file will calmly download like its buddy. I tried
that with a second browser, and the "Save as" worked
OK.

http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_11nr_10/http://umaxfirstaid.de/*

I tried extracting the two files, and it seems to extract
OK. There are six "disk" folders, and one of them mentions
Astra 6400 and Astra 6500. 6400 and 6500 are Firewire scanners,
so they have that in common with your 6450. Now, I don't know
if that means the installer will throw up its hands, when if
finds 6450 or not.

Have fun,
Paul
 
J

Jethro

I got another lead for you. Based on Robert Heiling's posting
about the umaxfirstaid.de web site, there is a copy of that
web site on archive.org. While the indexing of the site is
not in good shape, you can get a pair of files here. My guess
would be, the first .exe, is a self-extracting RAR, and the
r00 is the second segment. Make sure both files are in a
common folder, before double clicking the .exe .

http://web.archive.org/web/20021122111155/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.exe
http://web.archive.org/web/20021122105838/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00

There is a little trick to this. The first link should be OK.
You should be able to safely click on it, and be prompted
to save. (At least I hope so...)

But the second link seems to have a small MIME problem, at
least on my browser. (Currently, the browser that tried to download
the .r00, is running 100% CPU :) )

Go to this page, then hold your mouse over the
" www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00 " link. Right-mouse
and select "Save as" for that link, and hopefully the
file will calmly download like its buddy. I tried
that with a second browser, and the "Save as" worked
OK.

http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_11nr_10/http://umaxfirstaid.de/*

I tried extracting the two files, and it seems to extract
OK. There are six "disk" folders, and one of them mentions
Astra 6400 and Astra 6500. 6400 and 6500 are Firewire scanners,
so they have that in common with your 6450. Now, I don't know
if that means the installer will throw up its hands, when if
finds 6450 or not.

Have fun,
Paul

Hey! Thanks.

I'll try it as soon as the Red Sox win and let ya know.

Jethro
 
J

Jethro

I got another lead for you. Based on Robert Heiling's posting
about the umaxfirstaid.de web site, there is a copy of that
web site on archive.org. While the indexing of the site is
not in good shape, you can get a pair of files here. My guess
would be, the first .exe, is a self-extracting RAR, and the
r00 is the second segment. Make sure both files are in a
common folder, before double clicking the .exe .

http://web.archive.org/web/20021122111155/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.exe
http://web.archive.org/web/20021122105838/http://www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00

There is a little trick to this. The first link should be OK.
You should be able to safely click on it, and be prompted
to save. (At least I hope so...)

But the second link seems to have a small MIME problem, at
least on my browser. (Currently, the browser that tried to download
the .r00, is running 100% CPU :) )

Go to this page, then hold your mouse over the
" www.umaxfirstaid.de/ftp/vs376f.r00 " link. Right-mouse
and select "Save as" for that link, and hopefully the
file will calmly download like its buddy. I tried
that with a second browser, and the "Save as" worked
OK.

http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_11nr_10/http://umaxfirstaid.de/*

I tried extracting the two files, and it seems to extract
OK. There are six "disk" folders, and one of them mentions
Astra 6400 and Astra 6500. 6400 and 6500 are Firewire scanners,
so they have that in common with your 6450. Now, I don't know
if that means the installer will throw up its hands, when if
finds 6450 or not.

Have fun,
Paul


Well, the Red Sox won, but I don't think Jethro did.

What a mess trying to download the compressed file(s).
'MIME problem' is putting it mildly.

I finally got

vs376f-1.exe = 5.860M
vs376f.r00 = 5.681M

I recognize these as compressed RARs. and I got

DISK1 = Folder = 1.01M = 32 files
DISK2 = Folder = 1.18M = 14 files
DISK3 = Folder = 1.56M = 16 files
DISK4 = Folder = 2.18M = 8 files
DISK5 = Folder = 1.31M = 13 files
DISK6 = Folder = 1.75M = 19 files, 1 folder
ENGLISH = Folder = 4.03M = 204 files, 2 folders
FRENCH I ignored
GERMAN I ignored
MAILPACK = folder = 2.33M 20 files
PROFILES = folder = 1.0M 12 files, 3 folders

(I hope I got the above correct)

I don't know if these are the right folders/files or not, BUT I
searched all of them and do NOT find any occurrence of Astra 6400 and
Astra 6500. 6400 and 6500 or any part thereof. So I think maybe I
missed something. What do you think?

Thanks Paul for your help

Jethro
 
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Paul

Jethro said:
Well, the Red Sox won, but I don't think Jethro did.

What a mess trying to download the compressed file(s).
'MIME problem' is putting it mildly.

I finally got

vs376f-1.exe = 5.860M
vs376f.r00 = 5.681M

I recognize these as compressed RARs. and I got

DISK1 = Folder = 1.01M = 32 files
DISK2 = Folder = 1.18M = 14 files
DISK3 = Folder = 1.56M = 16 files
DISK4 = Folder = 2.18M = 8 files
DISK5 = Folder = 1.31M = 13 files
DISK6 = Folder = 1.75M = 19 files, 1 folder
ENGLISH = Folder = 4.03M = 204 files, 2 folders
FRENCH I ignored
GERMAN I ignored
MAILPACK = folder = 2.33M 20 files
PROFILES = folder = 1.0M 12 files, 3 folders

(I hope I got the above correct)

I don't know if these are the right folders/files or not, BUT I
searched all of them and do NOT find any occurrence of Astra 6400 and
Astra 6500. 6400 and 6500 or any part thereof. So I think maybe I
missed something. What do you think?

Thanks Paul for your help

Jethro

In DISK3, the "UMAXUSD2.INF" file contains:

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; SBP2 Scanner ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc = "UMAX 1394 Scanner"
SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc = "UMAX 1394 Scanner"

SBP2 = serial bus protocol two

AFAIK, SBP2 does SCSI emulation using a Firewire hardware layer.
(Or something like that - it was something I read on a Linux page.)
It allows the VistaScan SCSI software that works with the other
scanners, to work with the listed 6400 and 6500 firewire devices.
What I cannot tell you, is if the enumeration of your plotter,
appears as a variation of 6400 to this installer software, or
whether this software simply won't install/work. Only time
will tell. (I have no idea how enumeration works on Firewire.
The .INF files usually have enumeration information, and that
is why the first place I look is the INFs, in the hope of
determining whether the installer will work or not. But in
this case, I cannot see what the installer uses to detect a
match.)

In terms of the software, I'm real suspicious of the "MAILPACK"
folder. I checked the readme file in there, and it is some kind of
utility for chopping a scan into bite-sized pieces for
transmission via email. Sounds pretty silly to me.

In the DISK1 folder, I see VSSETUP.EXE, and I assume that is
what you double click to start the install. Just a guess.
This doesn't look like an installer I want to run on my
machine :)

Note that the DISK1\setup.ini controls the setup. AdapterType=1394
says the installer is set up for Firewire. While the setup.ini
looks like it is designed to install Acrobat Reader, I don't
see the setup files for that, so I guess that won't happen.

Paul
 
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Jethro

In DISK3, the "UMAXUSD2.INF" file contains:

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; SBP2 Scanner ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc = "UMAX 1394 Scanner"
SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc = "UMAX 1394 Scanner"

SBP2 = serial bus protocol two

AFAIK, SBP2 does SCSI emulation using a Firewire hardware layer.
(Or something like that - it was something I read on a Linux page.)
It allows the VistaScan SCSI software that works with the other
scanners, to work with the listed 6400 and 6500 firewire devices.
What I cannot tell you, is if the enumeration of your plotter,
appears as a variation of 6400 to this installer software, or
whether this software simply won't install/work. Only time
will tell. (I have no idea how enumeration works on Firewire.
The .INF files usually have enumeration information, and that
is why the first place I look is the INFs, in the hope of
determining whether the installer will work or not. But in
this case, I cannot see what the installer uses to detect a
match.)

In terms of the software, I'm real suspicious of the "MAILPACK"
folder. I checked the readme file in there, and it is some kind of
utility for chopping a scan into bite-sized pieces for
transmission via email. Sounds pretty silly to me.

In the DISK1 folder, I see VSSETUP.EXE, and I assume that is
what you double click to start the install. Just a guess.
This doesn't look like an installer I want to run on my
machine :)

Note that the DISK1\setup.ini controls the setup. AdapterType=1394
says the installer is set up for Firewire. While the setup.ini
looks like it is designed to install Acrobat Reader, I don't
see the setup files for that, so I guess that won't happen.

Paul

Thanks Paul.

First of all, I apologize for not examining the file contents in the
various files - I thought you suggested checking the fine 'names'
themselves. My stupidity. I should have know better - but my glee
over the Red Sox win suppressed my thinking cap.

Yes the VSSETUP.EXE program installs Vistascan. In fact, it does just
that okay ( no errors indicated anyway).

I started over by removing the yellow-flagged entry under Imaging
Devices in Device Manager and by removing all occurrences of Vistascan
previously installed on my HDD. Interestingly, when I rebooted with
the scanner powered on, WXP's PnP found the scanner as new hardware,
and even though I cancelled out of any installation of that, the
flagged entry in Device Manager came back. That surprised me. So be
it, I then repeated the re- boot, this time trying to point to the
drivers in our just-downloaded DISK folders. No change.

I find no reference to '6450' or Firewire in DISK1 .inf files
I find this in DISK2's UMAXUSD2.INF file:
;; SBP2
%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______&CmdSetId104d8
%SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6500______&CmdSetId104d8

I wonder what 'SBP2' is?
I find that Google recognizes it as a ASTRA 6450 firewire-related URL
at http://www.scanner-drivers.com/drivers/59/59340.htm
which takes me to Driverguide for the same driver (astra6400_6450.exe)
that I downloaded and installed unsuccessfully before and which looks
to be the same folders/files that are in the current RAR package.

I find this in DISK3's UMAXUSD2.INF file:
;; SBP2
%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______&CmdSetId104d8
%SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6500______&CmdSetId104d8

It does look like MAILPACK is concerned with e-mailing, so I see no
reason to sweat that.

I see 4 interesting filenames in PROFILES\SCANNER (e.g. AS6400R.ICM).

I tried re-installing the scanner, pointing to DISK3 vice DISK1 (I
think I had done all this before). Same results.

I still am waiting to hear from ANYONE who actually has been able to
get the 6450 to work under WXP. No responses on that one. Until I
do, I will continue to wonder if it ever did.

Thanks again

Jethro
 
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Robert Heiling

Jethro said:
Thanks Paul.

First of all, I apologize for not examining the file contents in the
various files - I thought you suggested checking the fine 'names'
themselves. My stupidity. I should have know better - but my glee
over the Red Sox win suppressed my thinking cap.

Yes the VSSETUP.EXE program installs Vistascan. In fact, it does just
that okay ( no errors indicated anyway).

I started over by removing the yellow-flagged entry under Imaging
Devices in Device Manager and by removing all occurrences of Vistascan
previously installed on my HDD. Interestingly, when I rebooted with
the scanner powered on, WXP's PnP found the scanner as new hardware,

That's as it should be and if the support is there in XP it would install it.
and even though I cancelled out of any installation of that,
Why?

the
flagged entry in Device Manager came back. That surprised me.

That would be normal. XP is now aware of the device, but it is not installed
correctly.
So be
it, I then repeated the re- boot, this time trying to point to the
drivers in our just-downloaded DISK folders. No change.

Needs to be done a different way.
I find no reference to '6450' or Firewire in DISK1 .inf files
I find this in DISK2's UMAXUSD2.INF file:
;; SBP2
%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______&CmdSetId104d8
%SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6500______&CmdSetId104d8

I wonder what 'SBP2' is?

Paul expalined that above - Serial Bus Protocol 2 for Firewire.
I find that Google recognizes it as a ASTRA 6450 firewire-related URL
at http://www.scanner-drivers.com/drivers/59/59340.htm
which takes me to Driverguide for the same driver (astra6400_6450.exe)
that I downloaded and installed unsuccessfully before and which looks
to be the same folders/files that are in the current RAR package.

That one looks Ok and, if the new one is identical, you should be set to go.
Those folders Disk1, Disk2, ... should all be together in some other folder. The
name doesn't matter. Double-click on that file vssetup.exe in the Disk1 folder
and let it install that support for the scanner.

Then remove that device in Device Manager just like you did above. Then re-boot.
XP will again see a new device and should install it without intervention on
your part because you have already installed support.
I find this in DISK3's UMAXUSD2.INF file:
;; SBP2
%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______&CmdSetId104d8
%SBP2\ASTRA6500.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6500______&CmdSetId104d8

It does look like MAILPACK is concerned with e-mailing, so I see no
reason to sweat that.

I see 4 interesting filenames in PROFILES\SCANNER (e.g. AS6400R.ICM).

I tried re-installing the scanner, pointing to DISK3 vice DISK1 (I
think I had done all this before). Same results.

I still am waiting to hear from ANYONE who actually has been able to
get the 6450 to work under WXP. No responses on that one. Until I
do, I will continue to wonder if it ever did.

Don't worry about the extras. Scanners often come packaged with additional
utilities and software.

Bob
 
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Jethro

That's as it should be and if the support is there in XP it would install it.


Why?

I just wanted to try installing Vistascan first, without any error
entry in Device Manager. Didn't happen.
That would be normal. XP is now aware of the device, but it is not installed
correctly.


Needs to be done a different way.
Really?


Paul expalined that above - Serial Bus Protocol 2 for Firewire.

Dang - I missed that.
That one looks Ok and, if the new one is identical, you should be set to go.
Those folders Disk1, Disk2, ... should all be together in some other folder. The
name doesn't matter. Double-click on that file vssetup.exe in the Disk1 folder
and let it install that support for the scanner.

They are, and as I said, Vistascan seemingly installed okay, as
before.
Then remove that device in Device Manager just like you did above. Then re-boot.
XP will again see a new device and should install it without intervention on
your part because you have already installed support.

However, now I cannot uninstall the Device Manager entry for the
scanner. It says it 'may be required to start up the computer'. I
find no evidence of scanner app in Task Manager. I can only disable
it, and I did. Re-boot changed nothing - it booted automatically and
the Device Manager entry is still sitting there, disabled.
Don't worry about the extras. Scanners often come packaged with additional
utilities and software.

Yes - I figured that.
 
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Robert Heiling

Jethro said:
They are, and as I said, Vistascan seemingly installed okay, as
before.

It would have hopefully included driver support also.
However, now I cannot uninstall the Device Manager entry for the
scanner. It says it 'may be required to start up the computer'.

Did it still have a yellow exclamation point? I guess we should have uninstalled
it first before installing vssetup.exe
I
find no evidence of scanner app in Task Manager.

There won't be unless you start one except for the one in systray if there is
one.
I can only disable
it, and I did. Re-boot changed nothing - it booted automatically and
the Device Manager entry is still sitting there, disabled.

Of course. I don't understand the reason for disabling it though since the
motive is to get it working. Does it still have a yellow exclamation point? Has
any icon been added to systray? Is there an option to update the driver in
Device Manager? If there is and it was still yellow, then update the driver
after re-enabling!! You will need to know where those .inf files wentas you may
be requested for them. Might want to search for them in advance and they should
be in windows/inf or a subfolder.

Bob


Bob
 
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Jethro

It would have hopefully included driver support also.


Did it still have a yellow exclamation point? I guess we should have uninstalled
it first before installing vssetup.exe


There won't be unless you start one except for the one in systray if there is
one.


Of course. I don't understand the reason for disabling it though since the
motive is to get it working. Does it still have a yellow exclamation point? Has
any icon been added to systray? Is there an option to update the driver in
Device Manager? If there is and it was still yellow, then update the driver
after re-enabling!! You will need to know where those .inf files wentas you may
be requested for them. Might want to search for them in advance and they should
be in windows/inf or a subfolder.


That's what I tried to say - namely that I could NOT uninstall the
driver from Device Manager (it said it was needed for boot up), so to
get it out of the picture, I disabled it, and it remained that way.
until I re-enabled it, when I get the yellow flag again. When I try
to update the driver in Device manager, I point to the folder DISK2
(I know where the folders and their .inf files are), but I keep
getting a failure with error message from Device Manager that there is
a problem with the install.

You know, I really think that this danged scanner is simply bad - i.e.
that the scanner simply is broke. If so, I (we) am beating a dead
horse. The scan-light does come on and goes to home position when I
power it on though.
 
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Robert Heiling

Jethro said:
That's what I tried to say - namely that I could NOT uninstall the
driver from Device Manager (it said it was needed for boot up),

I understood you up to that point.
so to
get it out of the picture, I disabled it,

And you lost me there.
and it remained that way.
until I re-enabled it, when I get the yellow flag again.

Ok. So you do get the yellow. Have you re-booted with it enabled by chance just
to see what happens?
When I try
to update the driver in Device manager, I point to the folder DISK2
(I know where the folders and their .inf files are),

Then you should have pointed there if you know and not to DISK2. You're finished
with those! It's wherever vssetup.exe installed them on your system. Considering
what Paul mentioned as the contents of UMAXUSD2.INF, it should be wherever that
file is located, in a subfolder of Windows. XP may find it on its own or Windows
might prompt you by filename.
but I keep
getting a failure with error message from Device Manager that there is
a problem with the install.

Try again
You know, I really think that this danged scanner is simply bad - i.e.
that the scanner simply is broke. If so, I (we) am beating a dead
horse. The scan-light does come on and goes to home position when I
power it on though.

It hasn't had a real chance as yet.

Bob
 
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Jethro

I understood you up to that point.


And you lost me there.


Ok. So you do get the yellow. Have you re-booted with it enabled by chance just
to see what happens?

Yes - it remains flagged.
Then you should have pointed there if you know and not to DISK2. You're finished
with those! It's wherever vssetup.exe installed them on your system. Considering
what Paul mentioned as the contents of UMAXUSD2.INF, it should be wherever that
file is located, in a subfolder of Windows. XP may find it on its own or Windows
might prompt you by filename.

Hmmm

vssetup.exe (from the setup DISK1 folder) executed without error and
created c:\VSTASCAN with:

copier32.exe
dragdrop.exe
OpManual.pdf
readme.txt
test32.exe
uninstal.exe
uninstal.ini
Vista32.exe
vsaccess.exe

plus a folder = mailpack

I see NO file by the name of UMAXUSD2.INF therein. That is why I
pointed the re installer to DISK2 and then to DISK3, two folders that
do contain UMAXUSD2.INF, Both times I got the error that driver
re-installation failed.
Try again


It hasn't had a real chance as yet.

I hope you're right

I do feel bad that I can't seem to describe accurately what I am doing
and how I am doing it, but bear with me please.

Jethro
 
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Robert Heiling

Jethro said:
Yes - it remains flagged.


Hmmm

vssetup.exe (from the setup DISK1 folder) executed without error and
created c:\VSTASCAN with:

copier32.exe
dragdrop.exe
OpManual.pdf
readme.txt
test32.exe
uninstal.exe
uninstal.ini
Vista32.exe
vsaccess.exe

plus a folder = mailpack

I see NO file by the name of UMAXUSD2.INF therein.

Good grief man! That's not the *Windows* folder is it? VSSETUP.EXE installed
files all over the place! Now please go into My Computer and navigate to your C:
drive and the Windows folder. Then do a Search for files named UMAXUSD2.INF.
Just make note of which folder it is in. Then try to Update the driver.
That is why I
pointed the re installer to DISK2 and then to DISK3, two folders that
do contain UMAXUSD2.INF, Both times I got the error that driver
re-installation failed.

Of course you got an error and it will never work that way.
I hope you're right

I do feel bad that I can't seem to describe accurately what I am doing
and how I am doing it, but bear with me please.

Ok, but try harder to understand what is written to you.

Bob
 
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Jethro

Good grief man! That's not the *Windows* folder is it? VSSETUP.EXE installed
files all over the place! Now please go into My Computer and navigate to your C:
drive and the Windows folder. Then do a Search for files named UMAXUSD2.INF.
Just make note of which folder it is in. Then try to Update the driver.

Good Good Grief Grief man man!! :<)

I DID a FULL C drive scan in Windows Explorer for UMAXUSD2.INF and it
did not show up under Windows or anywhere else other than where I
said. So, obviously, this must be my problem. Since my install,
using vssetup.exe, did not place that inf file there - then I have to
discover why it did NOT.

BTW


http://scanner.free-driver-download...-Astra-6400-6450-VistaScan-3.76-Firewire.html

says (in part):

UMAX Scanner Astra 6400/6450 VistaScan 3.76 Firewire Windows
9x/ME/2000/XP.

Install VistaScan 3.76 and reboot your PC. In case the scanner does
not appear in the Device Manager as "UMAX 1394", double cklick its
entry and update the driver referring to
Disk2 folder in the directory <<<================
where you expanded the VistaScan driver (or Umax Driver CD) as driver
source. Ignore the warning about the missing cetrificate for WindowsXP
and continue the installation. As VistaScan is Windows 2000
compatible, it also works properly unter WindowsXP.

Hence my doing what I did. :<(
 
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Robert Heiling

Jethro said:
Good Good Grief Grief man man!! :<)

I DID a FULL C drive scan in Windows Explorer for UMAXUSD2.INF and it
did not show up under Windows or anywhere else other than where I
said. So, obviously, this must be my problem. Since my install,
using vssetup.exe, did not place that inf file there - then I have to
discover why it did NOT.

That had only been my guess as to the name and I was certain that they would
leave a .inf file hanging aroung. I finally pulled those files down and expanded
the Disks and see that it uses the same Twain driver setup that my scsi scanner
uses. No surprise there actually. There definitely are Umax dll's in the driver
though and XP needs to be told about that somehow.
BTW

http://scanner.free-driver-download...-Astra-6400-6450-VistaScan-3.76-Firewire.html

says (in part):

UMAX Scanner Astra 6400/6450 VistaScan 3.76 Firewire Windows
9x/ME/2000/XP.

Install VistaScan 3.76 and reboot your PC. In case the scanner does
not appear in the Device Manager as "UMAX 1394", double cklick its
entry and update the driver referring to
Disk2 folder in the directory <<<================
where you expanded the VistaScan driver (or Umax Driver CD) as driver
source. Ignore the warning about the missing cetrificate for WindowsXP
and continue the installation. As VistaScan is Windows 2000
compatible, it also works properly unter WindowsXP.

Hence my doing what I did. :<(

Now you tell me.<g> But fair enough, if that's what they say to do.

If you turn the scanner off and re-boot, you may be able to remove the driver.
If that works, then turn it back on and re-boot. XP should find it and install.

Bob
 
P

Paul

Jethro said:
Good Good Grief Grief man man!! :<)

I DID a FULL C drive scan in Windows Explorer for UMAXUSD2.INF and it
did not show up under Windows or anywhere else other than where I
said. So, obviously, this must be my problem. Since my install,
using vssetup.exe, did not place that inf file there - then I have to
discover why it did NOT.
<<snip>>

I found a post containing a response from UMAX. I figured I'd
copy it to USENET, so it could be archived for future generations.

******

WELL, WEEKS later, I get a response from Umax.
Here is how the scanner is supposed to work with WinXP.

Quote:

Windows XP and FireWire Installation

If you do not have the VistaScan CD then you can download the software
from the website at http://www.umax.com/download/. Be sure and save
the files in My Documents.

RESTART IN SAFE MODE AND YOU HAVE TO BE LOGGED IN AS ADMINISTRATOR

Uninstalling VistaScan
1. Left click on Start.
2. Go up to All Programs.
3. Select VistaScan.
4. Left click on Uninstaller.
After uninstalling click on Exit

Removing Scanner From Device Manager

1. Right click on My Computer
2. Left click on Properties
3. Select Hardware
4. Left click on Device Manager.
5. Click on the plus next to Imaging Devices.
6. Right click on 1394 Scanner.
7. Left click on Uninstall.
8. Left click OK to confirm uninstall.
9. Close Device Manager.
10. Unplug the scanner from the back of the computer.

Removing Leftover Files
1. Left click on Start.
2. Select All Programs.
3. Select Accessories.
4. Left click on Windows Explorer.
5. Click on the plus sign next to My Computer.
6. Click on the plus sign next to Local disk (C .
7. Right click on VSTASCAN and then left click on Delete.
8. Click on the plus sign next to Windows.
9. Right click on TWAIN_32 and choose Delete.*
10. Right click on TWAIN32 and choose Delete.*
11. Close Windows Explorer.

*By deleting the TWAIN folders, you will need to reinstall any other
TWAIN devices, such as digital cameras, web cams, and other scanning
devices. You will need the installation CDs for any other TWAIN
compliant devices present on your PC.

Installing the VistaScan Twain Drivers

Disable any Anti Virus software

1. Insert ³VistaScan² CD in your CDROM . If you do not have
the VistaScan CD and have downloaded VistaScan 3.76 from
the website then read the following, otherwise skip to
step 2
a. Open the My Document folder.
b. Double-click on the VS376F.EXE icon. [presumably unzipping]
c. Open the folder Disk1 and find the file called VSSETUP.
d. Double click on VSSETUP to start the install.

2. On the first screen, click on Next.
3. Click Next on the following screen.
4. Click Yes on the License Agreement.
5. On the Installation Type, select Typical and click on Next.
6. On the Settings Confirm screen, click on Install.
7. If you see an Copy File Error message choose IGNORE, as this
is not a system file and can be skipped.
8. Once the installation of VistaScan 3.76 is finished, click Exit.

Testing the scanner
1. Left click on Start.
2. Go up to All Programs.
3. Select VistaScan.
4. Select VistaScan again.

If VistaScan comes up then your scanner is working, otherwise if the
Umax test program comes up please call Umax Technical Support at
214-739-1915

For tips on how to use VistaScan go to http://www.scantips.com/umaxvs.html
******

So, the question is, do you have an Imaging_Device in Device Manager ?
Is it labelled 1394_Scanner ?

Here is another chunk of info:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/bus/1394/1394tech.mspx

******
Scanners and Printers and IEEE 1394

Device support in Windows is based on the SBP-2 specification, which
defines a protocol for transporting commands, data, and status between
devices connected by the IEEE 1394 serial bus. For example, an IEEE 
1394 scanner that uses SBP-2 to transport SCSI commands does not
require additional drivers for Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Me,
or Windows 98 Second Edition. The scanner uses the same drivers and
INF entries as a SCSI scanner, with two exceptions: The Plug and Play
ID in the INF is different, and Scsimap.sys is not needed.

For an IEEE 1394/SBP-2 device, the PnPID is a combination of the
vendor name, device name, and command set ID. The easiest way to
determine the PnPID is to plug the device into an IEEE 1394-capable
system and then look in the registry under the following key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\1394

The Plug and Play ID appears as the subkey name for the scanner under
the Enum\1394 key. Use that value in the INF file instead of the SCSI
Plug and Play ID. As an example, an entry in the INF might appear
as follows:

%StringName% = InstallSection,SBP2\Vendor&Model&CmdSetId104d8

In this example, the Plug and Play ID from the registry should be
used to replace Vendor&Model&CmdSetId104d8 .

For an IEEE 1394 SBP-2 scanner, only Scsiscan.sys must be loaded.
Scsimap.sys is not needed, and it should be removed from the [AddReg]
and [CopyFiles] sections in the INF for Windows 98 Second Edition and
Windows Me. This file has never been required for Windows 2000 or
Windows XP.

The version of Scsiscan.sys provided with Windows 98 Second Edition
does not send down the open and close IRPs correctly, which causes a
problem with IEEE 1394-connected scanners. To work around the problem
in your development processes, use the version of Scsiscan.sys that
ships with Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

If you need to provide the updated version of Scsiscan.sys to
customers, this can be done under the license provision of the Windows
DDK. If you choose to redistribute the Scsiscan.sys file, the file must
be copied only as part of a [CopyFiles] INF section so that proper
version checking occurs.
******

So, that description gives a couple more things to check.

Using regedit, does HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\1394 contain:

SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6450______&CmdSetId104d8

If it did, then that means SBP2 was able to query the plotter
and get the text string "Astra_6450" from it. If it returns
some other value, then that would be valuable info, in terms
of whatever hacking is needed for the Vistascan package.

If so, you'll notice that the INF file we've been discussing,
contains entries for 6400 and 6500. Hacking the INF, by adding
a similar line for 6450, might get you connected. And this
is hacking, so it will be a trial and error process. My hope
would be, that the Umax firewire scanners share enough
characteristics, that you'll get some response from it.

HTH,
Paul
 
J

Jethro

I found a post containing a response from UMAX. I figured I'd
copy it to USENET, so it could be archived for future generations.

******

WELL, WEEKS later, I get a response from Umax.
Here is how the scanner is supposed to work with WinXP.

Quote:

Windows XP and FireWire Installation

If you do not have the VistaScan CD then you can download the software
from the website at http://www.umax.com/download/. Be sure and save
the files in My Documents.

As you know, the software is no longer downloadable from this site.
But of course, I have it from the other source.
RESTART IN SAFE MODE AND YOU HAVE TO BE LOGGED IN AS ADMINISTRATOR

Uninstalling VistaScan
1. Left click on Start.
2. Go up to All Programs.
3. Select VistaScan.
4. Left click on Uninstaller.
After uninstalling click on Exit

I did this.
Removing Scanner From Device Manager

1. Right click on My Computer
2. Left click on Properties
3. Select Hardware
4. Left click on Device Manager.
Doesn't show any of the following in Safe Mode:
5. Click on the plus next to Imaging Devices.
6. Right click on 1394 Scanner.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I rebooted in normal mode, and as before I cannot uninstall because
the system will not let me (says it is needed during boot-up)
7. Left click on Uninstall.
8. Left click OK to confirm uninstall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
9. Close Device Manager.
10. Unplug the scanner from the back of the computer.

I did this.
Removing Leftover Files
1. Left click on Start.
2. Select All Programs.
3. Select Accessories.
4. Left click on Windows Explorer.
5. Click on the plus sign next to My Computer.
6. Click on the plus sign next to Local disk (C .
7. Right click on VSTASCAN and then left click on Delete.

I did this.
8. Click on the plus sign next to Windows.
9. Right click on TWAIN_32 and choose Delete.*

I did this.
10. Right click on TWAIN32 and choose Delete.*

I did not see this folder.
11. Close Windows Explorer.

*By deleting the TWAIN folders, you will need to reinstall any other
TWAIN devices, such as digital cameras, web cams, and other scanning
devices. You will need the installation CDs for any other TWAIN
compliant devices present on your PC.

Yes. That sounds right.
Installing the VistaScan Twain Drivers

Disable any Anti Virus software

1. Insert ³VistaScan² CD in your CDROM . If you do not have
the VistaScan CD and have downloaded VistaScan 3.76 from
the website then read the following, otherwise skip to
step 2
a. Open the My Document folder.
b. Double-click on the VS376F.EXE icon. [presumably unzipping]
c. Open the folder Disk1 and find the file called VSSETUP.
d. Double click on VSSETUP to start the install.

2. On the first screen, click on Next.
3. Click Next on the following screen.
4. Click Yes on the License Agreement.
5. On the Installation Type, select Typical and click on Next.
6. On the Settings Confirm screen, click on Install.
7. If you see an Copy File Error message choose IGNORE, as this
is not a system file and can be skipped.
8. Once the installation of VistaScan 3.76 is finished, click Exit.

It does not say to leave Safe Mode and re-boot normally, but I did -
then did the above.
Testing the scanner
1. Left click on Start.
2. Go up to All Programs.
3. Select VistaScan.
4. Select VistaScan again.

If VistaScan comes up then your scanner is working, otherwise if the
Umax test program comes up please call Umax Technical Support at
214-739-1915

Just like before, it does not come up. Scanner is not recognized.
Device Manager has the yellow-flagged entry for the scanner.
For tips on how to use VistaScan go to http://www.scantips.com/umaxvs.html
******

So, the question is, do you have an Imaging_Device in Device Manager ?
Is it labelled 1394_Scanner ?


Yes, but it is flagged yellow. The entry reads:
UMAX Astra 6400 IEEE 1394 SBP2 Device
Here is another chunk of info:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/bus/1394/1394tech.mspx

******
Scanners and Printers and IEEE 1394

Device support in Windows is based on the SBP-2 specification, which
defines a protocol for transporting commands, data, and status between
devices connected by the IEEE 1394 serial bus. For example, an IEEE 
1394 scanner that uses SBP-2 to transport SCSI commands does not
require additional drivers for Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Me,
or Windows 98 Second Edition. The scanner uses the same drivers and
INF entries as a SCSI scanner, with two exceptions: The Plug and Play
ID in the INF is different, and Scsimap.sys is not needed.

For an IEEE 1394/SBP-2 device, the PnPID is a combination of the
vendor name, device name, and command set ID. The easiest way to
determine the PnPID is to plug the device into an IEEE 1394-capable
system and then look in the registry under the following key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\1394

The Plug and Play ID appears as the subkey name for the scanner under
the Enum\1394 key. Use that value in the INF file instead of the SCSI
Plug and Play ID. As an example, an entry in the INF might appear
as follows:

%StringName% = InstallSection,SBP2\Vendor&Model&CmdSetId104d8

In this example, the Plug and Play ID from the registry should be
used to replace Vendor&Model&CmdSetId104d8 .

For an IEEE 1394 SBP-2 scanner, only Scsiscan.sys must be loaded.
Scsimap.sys is not needed, and it should be removed from the [AddReg]
and [CopyFiles] sections in the INF for Windows 98 Second Edition and
Windows Me. This file has never been required for Windows 2000 or
Windows XP.

The version of Scsiscan.sys provided with Windows 98 Second Edition
does not send down the open and close IRPs correctly, which causes a
problem with IEEE 1394-connected scanners. To work around the problem
in your development processes, use the version of Scsiscan.sys that
ships with Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

If you need to provide the updated version of Scsiscan.sys to
customers, this can be done under the license provision of the Windows
DDK. If you choose to redistribute the Scsiscan.sys file, the file must
be copied only as part of a [CopyFiles] INF section so that proper
version checking occurs.
******

So, that description gives a couple more things to check.

Using regedit, does HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\1394 contain:

SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6450______&CmdSetId104d8

Under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\1394
I found UMAX&Astra_6400____________ (sic) but no &CmdSetId104d8
In fact, I find no CmdSetId104d8 in the Registry at all.
If it did, then that means SBP2 was able to query the plotter
and get the text string "Astra_6450" from it. If it returns
some other value, then that would be valuable info, in terms
of whatever hacking is needed for the Vistascan package.

If so, you'll notice that the INF file we've been discussing,
contains entries for 6400 and 6500. Hacking the INF, by adding
a similar line for 6450, might get you connected. And this
is hacking, so it will be a trial and error process. My hope
would be, that the Umax firewire scanners share enough
characteristics, that you'll get some response from it.

I add the line

%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______

to the subject .inf file and tried to re-install the scanner driver in
Device Manager. I still got

'There was a problem installing this hardware'

I even more suspect the scanner may be bad.
 
P

Paul

Jethro said:
I add the line

%SBP2\ASTRA6400.DeviceDesc% =
UMAXSBP2.Scanner,SBP2\UMAX&Astra_6400______

to the subject .inf file and tried to re-install the scanner driver in
Device Manager. I still got

'There was a problem installing this hardware'

I even more suspect the scanner may be bad.

You need to find a piece of software that can talk
to a 6400. Maybe this will involve Linux and some
kind of open source software. But there has to be
something, that can do more than just extract
Astra_6400______ .

The UMAX instructions mention a "UMAX test program".
Did anything like that pop up ? If you look around
the install folder, is there anything with a filename
suggestive of a test program ?

Paul
 
J

Jethro

You need to find a piece of software that can talk
to a 6400. Maybe this will involve Linux and some
kind of open source software. But there has to be
something, that can do more than just extract
Astra_6400______ .

I'll look a little.
The UMAX instructions mention a "UMAX test program".
Did anything like that pop up ? If you look around
the install folder, is there anything with a filename
suggestive of a test program ?

Yes there is - it is called test32.exe and is part of the package
installed by vssetup.exe in the aforediscussed (now that's a word!)
folder DISK1. test32.exe causes execution of a 'UMAX Scanner Test
Program'.

When I run it, it tries to access the scanner, but fails to find it
('error message 'scanner access fail').

Jethro
 

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