Depressing..

[Adahn]

Stumbled onto this today: http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/



Can anyone honestly deny that Vista has a LONG way to go yet.

Less than 6 months to go before RTM, and it's still in catch-up mode,
nevermind exceeding OS X's feature set and overall coherence

Check out the awesome Automator, the Font Book, the cool graphical effect of
actually spotlighting the matches while searching.. everything. ..it becomes
pretty obvious why someone who has used a Mac would be aghast at Microsoft


I doubt they'll be able to surpass OS X even with Vienna, but they'll sure
have gotten pretty close to imitating all of it

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Besides the fact that this is old news and Tiger won't be the competitior,
Leopard will by the time Vista releases, what's new? Explore the Vista
feature set a bit more before you this large a leap in your conclusion.
Just to take one area of interest, when you compare Front Row with MCE, OS/X
does not fare nearly as well as Apple advertising leads you to beleive.
Others may want to comment.

 

[John Barnes]

If you want a Mac, get a Mac (even Bill Gates hasn't managed to make them
illegal), and I dare say that no one here will miss you or cares about your
opinion.

 

[Mario Rosario]

What? No reply email? Notice how he hid his name from his email address,
laughs.

 

[Conor]

Stumbled onto this today: http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/



Can anyone honestly deny that Vista has a LONG way to go yet.

Less than 6 months to go before RTM, and it's still in catch-up mode,
nevermind exceeding OS X's feature set and overall coherence

Check out the awesome Automator, the Font Book, the cool graphical effect of
actually spotlighting the matches while searching.. everything. ..it becomes
pretty obvious why someone who has used a Mac would be aghast at Microsoft


I doubt they'll be able to surpass OS X even with Vienna, but they'll sure
have gotten pretty close to imitating all of it

Windows isn't Mac OS X. If you don't like it, **** off and buy a Mac.
Nobody is forcing you to use Windows.

 

[William R. Mosher]

Why should Bill Gates want to make Macs illegal. After all, doesn't he own
Apple stock and isn't Microsoft Office the number 1 office software for the
Mac.

William

 

[Mario Rosario]

Steve Jobs, is that you?

What? No reply email? Notice how he hid his name from his email address,
laughs.

 

[John Barnes]

After all, doesn't he own Apple stock

Microsoft does, don't know about Mr Bill.


and isn't Microsoft Office the number 1 office software for the
Mac.


That ought to be good for a dozen sales

 

[Mike d. Spike]

If you want a Mac, get a Mac (even Bill Gates hasn't managed to make them
illegal), and I dare say that no one here will miss you or cares about
your opinion.

lol it's not very hard to see why M$ keeps failing and trailing behind if
this kind of retarded response is the best their supporters can come up
with. Seriously, one would think being on Bill's payrol would afford you
morons a proper schooling in OS comparisson. Okay, the Vista feature set?

Recycle Bin => MacOS Trash can
File-Edit-Window-Help meny layout => Standard MacOS menu
Copy and paste => Invented at Apple
Gadgets => Widgets/Dashboard accessories
Hardware acceleration => Quartz 2D Extreme from 2002
WPF => Quartz
XPS => PDF
C# => Java
Windows menu => Apple menu
Windows key (most useless key ever invented) => Apple key
Least-privileged user account => OS X
Calendar => Direct rip-off of iCal interface
Photo Gallery => iPhoto
Movie Maker => iMovie
Vista filesystem layout => Direct rip-off of OS X filesystem layout
Explorer sidebar => Direct rip-off of Finder sidebar

And on and on and on and on...

Any "innovations" under the scene are what *nix users have been enjoying for
years, but let's not even go there. The ONLY "advantage" Windows has
hardware/driver support, albeit forced, as shown by the most recent move of
artificially limiting DirectX10 and some newer games to Vista (like Halo 2,
which doesn't even use Dx10 if you somehow manage to justify the subsystem's
limitation to Vista, which I doubt you could.)

This company is dying, and good riddance. They copy innovaters:

 

[Tom Scales]

lol it's not very hard to see why M$ keeps failing and trailing behind if
this kind of retarded response is the best their supporters can come up
with. Seriously, one would think being on Bill's payrol would afford you
morons a proper schooling in OS comparisson. Okay, the Vista feature set?

Recycle Bin => MacOS Trash can
File-Edit-Window-Help meny layout => Standard MacOS menu
Copy and paste => Invented at Apple
Gadgets => Widgets/Dashboard accessories
Hardware acceleration => Quartz 2D Extreme from 2002
WPF => Quartz
XPS => PDF
C# => Java
Windows menu => Apple menu
Windows key (most useless key ever invented) => Apple key
Least-privileged user account => OS X
Calendar => Direct rip-off of iCal interface
Photo Gallery => iPhoto
Movie Maker => iMovie
Vista filesystem layout => Direct rip-off of OS X filesystem layout
Explorer sidebar => Direct rip-off of Finder sidebar

And on and on and on and on...

Any "innovations" under the scene are what *nix users have been enjoying
for years, but let's not even go there. The ONLY "advantage" Windows has
hardware/driver support, albeit forced, as shown by the most recent move
of artificially limiting DirectX10 and some newer games to Vista (like
Halo 2, which doesn't even use Dx10 if you somehow manage to justify the
subsystem's limitation to Vista, which I doubt you could.)

This company is dying, and good riddance. They copy innovaters:

Are you too young to remember Xerox's labs? You are fully aware that the
entire Mac user interface was essentially lifted (read: stolen) from Xerox's
innovative work?

Apple doesn't innovate. The polish other's ideas.

 

[Rick]

Microsoft doesn't innovate either. They attempt
to polish other's ideas.

Name one product the Microsoft designed from the
ground up. To the best of my knowledge
Microsoft has bought or "borrowed" software
written by others and marketed it as their own,
starting with MS-DOS through to Windows NT which
is the base of the current slew of Windows.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Windows NT was developed from the ground up by MS.

 

[Rick]

Then why did they buy the project manager and
existing project? I forget which company they
bought it from, but it was a Unix GUI project.
Microsoft bought the whole package, including
the lead programmer.

 

[Rick]

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Print.cfm?ArticleID=7153

For some reason, Digital killed the Mica
project. Seizing the opportunity, Microsoft
picked up Dave Cutler and his Mica team and
funded the continuation of the Mica project
within Microsoft. A few years later, Windows NT
was born. Digital, however, suspected that NT
was actually Mica reborn and hired an OS
specialist to determine the similarities.
According to inside sources, many portions of
NT’s code and even the comments were identical
to Mica. As a result, Digital sued Microsoft.
Microsoft and Digital settled out of court and
the result was the Digital/Microsoft Alliance.

As part of the alliance, Microsoft promised to
support the Alpha processor on NT and to ensure
that Microsoft’s BackOffice products (i.e., SQL
Server, Exchange Server, Internet Information
Server—IIS) would be fully compatible and made
available at the same time as their Intel
equivalents. Digital added more than 100
engineers to DECWest, tasked with making Alpha
on NT a technical reality. As part of the
agreement, Digital (now Compaq) and Microsoft
would have a perpetual cross-license of
NT-related technology including full access to
the source code.

 

[William R. Mosher]

Isn't NT the fruit of the initial co-operation between IBM and Microsoft to
produce OS/2?

William

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Print.cfm?ArticleID=7153

For some reason, Digital killed the Mica
project. Seizing the opportunity, Microsoft
picked up Dave Cutler and his Mica team and
funded the continuation of the Mica project
within Microsoft. A few years later, Windows NT
was born. Digital, however, suspected that NT
was actually Mica reborn and hired an OS
specialist to determine the similarities.
According to inside sources, many portions of
NT’s code and even the comments were identical
to Mica. As a result, Digital sued Microsoft.
Microsoft and Digital settled out of court and
the result was the Digital/Microsoft Alliance.

As part of the alliance, Microsoft promised to
support the Alpha processor on NT and to ensure
that Microsoft’s BackOffice products (i.e., SQL
Server, Exchange Server, Internet Information
Server—IIS) would be fully compatible and made
available at the same time as their Intel
equivalents. Digital added more than 100
engineers to DECWest, tasked with making Alpha
on NT a technical reality. As part of the
agreement, Digital (now Compaq) and Microsoft
would have a perpetual cross-license of
NT-related technology including full access to
the source code.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Yes they did. They also owe a lot to VAX/VMS rather than UNIX. So what?
Everybody owes all of this to development of solid state electronics but
that doesn't mean nobody has original ideas and either refines or buys
technology to get him where he wants to go. That's the way highly technical
and complex industries have to work. If originality defined success and
utility then we would not have the automobile or aircraft industries either.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Print.cfm?ArticleID=7153

For some reason, Digital killed the Mica
project. Seizing the opportunity, Microsoft
picked up Dave Cutler and his Mica team and
funded the continuation of the Mica project
within Microsoft. A few years later, Windows NT
was born. Digital, however, suspected that NT
was actually Mica reborn and hired an OS
specialist to determine the similarities.
According to inside sources, many portions of
NT’s code and even the comments were identical
to Mica. As a result, Digital sued Microsoft.
Microsoft and Digital settled out of court and
the result was the Digital/Microsoft Alliance.

As part of the alliance, Microsoft promised to
support the Alpha processor on NT and to ensure
that Microsoft’s BackOffice products (i.e., SQL
Server, Exchange Server, Internet Information
Server—IIS) would be fully compatible and made
available at the same time as their Intel
equivalents. Digital added more than 100
engineers to DECWest, tasked with making Alpha
on NT a technical reality. As part of the
agreement, Digital (now Compaq) and Microsoft
would have a perpetual cross-license of
NT-related technology including full access to
the source code.

 

[Mike d. Spike]

From an MS insider:
http://blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/06/14/631438.aspx

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

No, the previous poster is correct. MS brought in a crack team to design a
more robust OS and file system. That is not to say that there was not
cooperation between MS and IBM in addition to that but the NT project was
underway before MS and IBM began their collaboration.

 

[Tom Scales]

Sort of. Some work had been done by MS and some by IBM, but NT and OS/2
were both a result of that project.

You just have to bring up a DOS box in box. The text is identical.

 

[Rick]

If you read the article you will note that NT
and OS/2 were 2 separate projects. They were
not related except that Microsoft was in on both
of them. NT was an outgrowth of the Mica
project by DEC. OS/2 was a collaboration
between Microsoft and IBM.

The only relationship was Microsoft, not between
the projects, though.