Defragmenting

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I do not want to use the MS built in defragmentation anymore and consider
using a more sophisticated third party program, such as Diskeeper or Perfect
Disc. Which one is the best?
 
Steve said:
I do not want to use the MS built in defragmentation anymore and
consider using a more sophisticated third party program, such as
Diskeeper or Perfect Disc. Which one is the best?

Whichever one you like more.
 
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:I do not want to use the MS built in defragmentation anymore and consider
: using a more sophisticated third party program, such as Diskeeper or
Perfect
: Disc. Which one is the best?
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Steve said:
I do not want to use the MS built in defragmentation anymore and consider
using a more sophisticated third party program, such as Diskeeper or Perfect
Disc. Which one is the best?

Don't waste your money. The built in tool is just fine.

Alias
 
Alias~- said:
Don't waste your money. The built in tool is just fine.

Alias

The built in tool is Diskeeper :) it just lacks some facilities the home
user does not need.
 
Edwin vMierlo said:
don't waste time... don't defragment !

( is it really worth the trouble ? )

In some cases well worth it, in others not, much depends on your use.
Occasionally for fragmented data disks it does tidy things up somewhat,
daily on an OS disk I'd say no. It is far more important to stick to the 75%
full philosophy except for disks intended for long term or permanent storage
which are filled one file at a time, the more than 75% doesn't really cost
you anything.
 
I definitely agree with you in regards to not using more than 75% of a disks
capacity

In relation to disk defragmenting... well, I guess I have seen it destroying
data once to often....
and the "performance gain" is not really measurable... that is my
experience...
 
don't waste time... don't defragment !

( is it really worth the trouble ? )

Depending on the fragmentation level on the drive it is VERY beneficial
and can increase file/disk performance.

If you don't understand disk performance then you won't understand how
Fragmentation impacts it.

For most people, using a home computer, unless working with large files
or LOTS of little files, defragging once a month or once every six
months is more than enough.
 
Leythos said:
Depending on the fragmentation level on the drive it is VERY beneficial
and can increase file/disk performance.

If you don't understand disk performance then you won't understand how
Fragmentation impacts it.

For most people, using a home computer, unless working with large files
or LOTS of little files, defragging once a month or once every six
months is more than enough.

Uninstalling and installing big programs like Office or SP2 would
warrant a defrag as well. Hell, installing XP warrants a defrag.

Alias
 
Steve said:
I do not want to use the MS built in defragmentation anymore and consider
using a more sophisticated third party program, such as Diskeeper or
Perfect Disc. Which one is the best?

If you really want to spend money on replacing a tool that comes for free
with your OS, I suggest Diskeeper. It'll run automatically when the
screensaver is on or at a predetermined time, which is real handy.
 
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Edwin said:
don't waste time... don't defragment !

Bad advice if you use VFAT or NTFS (which happen to be the only two
filesystems Windows supports).
( is it really worth the trouble ? )

Yes. Neither NTFS nor VFAT both put data in the first available free sector
instead of working to find the best fit for the file like more modern
filesystems such as ext2/3, reiserfs, etc to reduce fragmentation and keep
access times to a minimum.

Because NTFS and VFAT go for the brute-force approach, this slows file
access times considerably over time, and in extreme cases can cause
filesystem corruption and data loss (extremely full, very fragmented disk,
for example).

Defrag regularly. Your data depends on it.
 
Leythos said:
don't waste time... don't defragment !

( is it really worth the trouble ? )
[...]
For most people, using a home computer, unless working with large files
or LOTS of little files, defragging once a month or once every six
months is more than enough.

I'm not so sure about every six months. I'd say more like 3 that way a
defrag can finish in the same amount or less time than it takes most people
to get a good night's sleep...
 
Well the performance gain can be significant if fragmentation gets really
bad, like everything use in moderation.

If defragmentation is in progress and power fails that can be nasty.

Charlie
 
Charlie said:
Well the performance gain can be significant if fragmentation gets really
bad, like everything use in moderation.

If defragmentation is in progress and power fails that can be nasty.

Charlie

So don't do it when there's a thunderstorm going on.

Alias
 
"performance gain can be significant"

you cleary have different experiences with this... I have never
(scientifically) seen any gain...

but bottom line, the tool is there, I just hope people who use it will have
a good backup strategy as well
 
What is apparent from your experiences is that you have probably never had a
seriously fragmented disk.

The gain is miniscule up to a point, beyond which fragmentation issues rise
exponentially. This is far worse the more full the drive is.

Diskeeper is very good in terms of automatic scheduling and configurability,
but the one problem which scheduling as Alias has pointed out is that it
doesn't know when a thunderstorm is going on.

Your comments are based on personal experience which is fair enough, mine
are based both on personal experience and the fact that we get very few
complaints about defragmenting problems and those we do get are most often
related to something else interfering with defragmenting. Contrast this with
the number of complaints where Norton / Symantec products are concerned and
the ill effects of defragmenting per se are insignificant.
 

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