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I am running vista ultimate and I have 3 hard drives. How can I defrag all
of them?
Thanks for your help
Maryann
of them?
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Maryann
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Ray Rogers
It does all 3, best thing to do with defrag is to just forget about it,
it'll run automatically in the background and it does a pretty good job of
defragging.
it'll run automatically in the background and it does a pretty good job of
defragging.
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Tiberius
Best thing to do is have total control over defragmenting, to be able to see
how much its defragmented,
see the progress of the degragmentation in a visual manner,
and to engage into defrag manualy whenever you want...
this automatic run in the background, making your hard drive thrash
concept... should be optional not by default....
Unfortuanatly Vista removed all this functionality ... this is another
reason why vista stinks so bad.
how much its defragmented,
see the progress of the degragmentation in a visual manner,
and to engage into defrag manualy whenever you want...
this automatic run in the background, making your hard drive thrash
concept... should be optional not by default....
Unfortuanatly Vista removed all this functionality ... this is another
reason why vista stinks so bad.
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Greg
I HEARTILY AGREE Tiberius! Is there any way yet to correct this on Vista so
that I can see how much needs to be defragged and how much progress it has
made like it used to do on Win 98 and XP? Annoying that MS have
progressively taken away user information like that - the amount of visual
feedback you get went down with each new release of Windows. Typical
patronising "oh you don't need to know that" attitude of MS.
The same is true of the Picture and Camera Wizard - now you can't choose
which photos to download and which not to, it's either all or none. Stupid.
that I can see how much needs to be defragged and how much progress it has
made like it used to do on Win 98 and XP? Annoying that MS have
progressively taken away user information like that - the amount of visual
feedback you get went down with each new release of Windows. Typical
patronising "oh you don't need to know that" attitude of MS.
The same is true of the Picture and Camera Wizard - now you can't choose
which photos to download and which not to, it's either all or none. Stupid.
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Tiberius
Hello Greg...
here is the information I posted in this newsgroup a few days ago,
it addresses this problem and provides a solution:
Subject: Free disk defrag for Vista with visual feedback
http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/
Why use this?
1)Vista instead of improving the defrag interface, it removed it all!!! Now
you stare at a throbber
going round and round.. with no clue of the progress or when it will end, or
how much your HDD has fragmented.
2) Vistas Defrag runs as a service...
ARGGGG Horrible idea! I knew programs that added a defrag service and
avoided them like the plague for this reason: They thrash your disk and you
don't know if something strange is going on on your pc or if its the defrag
working. Also services running in the background use up resources.
I personally disable the defrag service. If you are a poweruser I am sure
you want control over your computer.
and finally Vista should have had an OPTIONAL upgraded version of the NTFS
system that would never need Defrag in the first place.
This is possible with linux filesystems... even though some vistaboys will
never believe it and ask for whitepapers.
MS had 5 years to do this... but guess what? Its easier for them to slap in
a service thrashing your disk all the time,
than make a better OS!
here is the information I posted in this newsgroup a few days ago,
it addresses this problem and provides a solution:
Subject: Free disk defrag for Vista with visual feedback
http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/
Why use this?
1)Vista instead of improving the defrag interface, it removed it all!!! Now
you stare at a throbber
going round and round.. with no clue of the progress or when it will end, or
how much your HDD has fragmented.
2) Vistas Defrag runs as a service...
ARGGGG Horrible idea! I knew programs that added a defrag service and
avoided them like the plague for this reason: They thrash your disk and you
don't know if something strange is going on on your pc or if its the defrag
working. Also services running in the background use up resources.
I personally disable the defrag service. If you are a poweruser I am sure
you want control over your computer.
and finally Vista should have had an OPTIONAL upgraded version of the NTFS
system that would never need Defrag in the first place.
This is possible with linux filesystems... even though some vistaboys will
never believe it and ask for whitepapers.
MS had 5 years to do this... but guess what? Its easier for them to slap in
a service thrashing your disk all the time,
than make a better OS!
Q
Qu0ll
I HEARTILY AGREE Tiberius! Is there any way yet to correct this on Vista so
that I can see how much needs to be defragged and how much progress it has
made like it used to do on Win 98 and XP? Annoying that MS have
progressively taken away user information like that - the amount of visual
feedback you get went down with each new release of Windows. Typical
patronising "oh you don't need to know that" attitude of MS.
The same is true of the Picture and Camera Wizard - now you can't choose
which photos to download and which not to, it's either all or none.
Stupid.
Not to mention the display of internet connection speed in the network
status icon. It just appeared when you hovered over the status icon in XP
and now this information is not available anywhere in Vista.
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And loving it,
-Q
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Tiberius
hello Qu0ll...
I saw you mention this in another post of yours. I have a solution but I was
too busy then to give you a reply.
I use samurize to embed indicators in the taskbar itself that give me a
graphical representation of various
values, like ram, cpu and internet connection speed, as well as a clock that
has more info in the same space
that the windows clock has.. see screenshot:
In this design that I have made myself the orange is the cpu use, the green
is the ram and the red and yellow
are the internet speeds...
This screenshot is from XP, but I use the same thing on Vista too...
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2060/screenshot1qb8.jpg
You can download samurize on www.samurize.com
I personally have found meters like this invaluable for many reasons. I have
made some very complex and detailed ones in the past,
and that is why I have such a good feeling of how a computer performs.. and
that is one of the reasons why I know very well that vista is far slower
than XP. While others are guessing, I have visual input of what is happening
on the machine.
and then if you want this config (design) that I have made for the taskbar,
tell me and I will post it here so you can download
the one I have made...
Tell me if you want this.. ok?
I saw you mention this in another post of yours. I have a solution but I was
too busy then to give you a reply.
I use samurize to embed indicators in the taskbar itself that give me a
graphical representation of various
values, like ram, cpu and internet connection speed, as well as a clock that
has more info in the same space
that the windows clock has.. see screenshot:
In this design that I have made myself the orange is the cpu use, the green
is the ram and the red and yellow
are the internet speeds...
This screenshot is from XP, but I use the same thing on Vista too...
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2060/screenshot1qb8.jpg
You can download samurize on www.samurize.com
I personally have found meters like this invaluable for many reasons. I have
made some very complex and detailed ones in the past,
and that is why I have such a good feeling of how a computer performs.. and
that is one of the reasons why I know very well that vista is far slower
than XP. While others are guessing, I have visual input of what is happening
on the machine.
and then if you want this config (design) that I have made for the taskbar,
tell me and I will post it here so you can download
the one I have made...
Tell me if you want this.. ok?
R
Ray Rogers
True to a degree, all points taken, however most if not all of the readers
of this group are what some would call "power users", if we want more
control over what defrags and when, we'll use a third party application. MS
is targeting "Joe Average" who wouldn't know a defragger from a log
splitter, and certainly doesn't know how to use one, how many times have you
"cleaned up" someone's computer and been amazed that it still actually ran
anything at all.
If MS had included a controllable defragger they'd be accused of extra
bloatware, just can't win. I think that anyone that has to ask simple
questions about the defrag process should just stick with the default
program.
But that's just my opinion.
of this group are what some would call "power users", if we want more
control over what defrags and when, we'll use a third party application. MS
is targeting "Joe Average" who wouldn't know a defragger from a log
splitter, and certainly doesn't know how to use one, how many times have you
"cleaned up" someone's computer and been amazed that it still actually ran
anything at all.
If MS had included a controllable defragger they'd be accused of extra
bloatware, just can't win. I think that anyone that has to ask simple
questions about the defrag process should just stick with the default
program.
But that's just my opinion.
T
Tiberius
what? XP had a controllable defrag that they removed for other reasons
there has been much controversy about this matter
see here
http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/techsploder/2006/11/the_worst_vista_feature.html
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=284308
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/529
There has been much speculation about the real reasons of this move, one of
them is this:
" bet you all know that Microsoft uses code from Executive Software for it's
Disk Defragmenter.
Executive Software is the company behind Diskeeper. WoW starts now! I think
you are getting the picture now. Maybe they pressured Microsoft to make the
defrag in vista dumb so that they could boost their sales. You know if you
are happy with what you have, it's unlikely that you look for new things.
"
MS has already changed things in windows server 2008 and will pass these
changes on to Vista SP1
there has been much controversy about this matter
see here
http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/techsploder/2006/11/the_worst_vista_feature.html
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=284308
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/529
There has been much speculation about the real reasons of this move, one of
them is this:
" bet you all know that Microsoft uses code from Executive Software for it's
Disk Defragmenter.
Executive Software is the company behind Diskeeper. WoW starts now! I think
you are getting the picture now. Maybe they pressured Microsoft to make the
defrag in vista dumb so that they could boost their sales. You know if you
are happy with what you have, it's unlikely that you look for new things.
"
MS has already changed things in windows server 2008 and will pass these
changes on to Vista SP1
M
Mike Mueller
I agree that the lack of visual is a pain, but the
"the amount of visual feedback you get went down with each new release of
Windows"
is kind of off. I hated the Win9x defrag display
"the amount of visual feedback you get went down with each new release of
Windows"
is kind of off. I hated the Win9x defrag display
T
Tiberius
i loved it
Mike Mueller said:I agree that the lack of visual is a pain, but the
"the amount of visual feedback you get went down with each new release of
Windows"
is kind of off. I hated the Win9x defrag display
D
Doris Day - MFB
This reply is not coming from Outhouse Express, hence not top posted ...
that for every $1 spent on Vista, $18 will be spent on third party
solutions (software/hardware). The commercial/proprietary vendors love
Microsoft because its mode of operation is to force this kind of spending
either through deficient software included in the OS or hardware demands to
run their bloatware. This might be all well and good for the sellers, but
think about what this means to consumers. The math is easy, simply multiply
your investment in Vista by 18 to get what it'll cost you to get a
functioning Vista box going.
Love and Kisses,
Doris
--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
This post is like Wintard Flypaper ... catches them all.
BallmerBumBois: Frank, Julian, Richard Urban, Jupiter Jones, Harry Krause,
Feliks Dzerzhinsky
Sorry if I missed anyone, place your name here _________________.
Microsoft's recent marketing campaign to the IT business community statesTiberius said:what? XP had a controllable defrag that they removed for other reasons
there has been much controversy about this matter
see here
http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/techsploder/2006/11/the_worst_vista_feature.html
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=284308
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/529
There has been much speculation about the real reasons of this move, one
of them is this:
" bet you all know that Microsoft uses code from Executive Software for
it's Disk Defragmenter.
Executive Software is the company behind Diskeeper. WoW starts now! I
think you are getting the picture now. Maybe they pressured Microsoft to
make the defrag in vista dumb so that they could boost their sales. You
know if you are happy with what you have, it's unlikely that you look for
new things. "
that for every $1 spent on Vista, $18 will be spent on third party
solutions (software/hardware). The commercial/proprietary vendors love
Microsoft because its mode of operation is to force this kind of spending
either through deficient software included in the OS or hardware demands to
run their bloatware. This might be all well and good for the sellers, but
think about what this means to consumers. The math is easy, simply multiply
your investment in Vista by 18 to get what it'll cost you to get a
functioning Vista box going.
Love and Kisses,
Doris
--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
This post is like Wintard Flypaper ... catches them all.
BallmerBumBois: Frank, Julian, Richard Urban, Jupiter Jones, Harry Krause,
Feliks Dzerzhinsky
Sorry if I missed anyone, place your name here _________________.
T
Tiberius
Microsoft is smart Doris.. that is called team playing, that is not bad at
all...
Theoretically in creates new products in the market, new innovation and
better products.
Spending money on software is not bad... think of all the people getting
paid for their services,
think of all the investments that can be done in research and innovation...
It is exactly this team playing of the open system IBM made that created the
foundation on which
all the current hardware is based. Linux has benefited greatly by
Microsoft's effort. If you have not understood that,
I suggest you rethink a few things.
Don't think as money as a limited resource, it truly is not. The improvement
in software will benefit the users,
since it will be able to do miracles... and this has been the case for a
long time. On the other hand linux does have limitations in this field,
and is playing a copy-cat role creating clones of programs that the free
market is making. Why? Because people want them.
This is a WIN-WIN situation Doris, Microsoft wins, the partners win, the
people working in software win, the consumers win
because they have great programs, and linux wins because they have cheaper
hardware to play with and programs to copy from.
If you understand this in a deeper level you will understand why Microsoft
was so successful.. so much that it is astonishing.
Ok they have made huge blunders like Vista... but they still survive those
blunders... although I think vista will do lots of damage..
we will see what happens.
all...
Theoretically in creates new products in the market, new innovation and
better products.
Spending money on software is not bad... think of all the people getting
paid for their services,
think of all the investments that can be done in research and innovation...
It is exactly this team playing of the open system IBM made that created the
foundation on which
all the current hardware is based. Linux has benefited greatly by
Microsoft's effort. If you have not understood that,
I suggest you rethink a few things.
Don't think as money as a limited resource, it truly is not. The improvement
in software will benefit the users,
since it will be able to do miracles... and this has been the case for a
long time. On the other hand linux does have limitations in this field,
and is playing a copy-cat role creating clones of programs that the free
market is making. Why? Because people want them.
This is a WIN-WIN situation Doris, Microsoft wins, the partners win, the
people working in software win, the consumers win
because they have great programs, and linux wins because they have cheaper
hardware to play with and programs to copy from.
If you understand this in a deeper level you will understand why Microsoft
was so successful.. so much that it is astonishing.
Ok they have made huge blunders like Vista... but they still survive those
blunders... although I think vista will do lots of damage..
we will see what happens.
T
Tom Allen
Tiberius said:snipit>
2) Vistas Defrag runs as a service...
ARGGGG
My Vista Home Premium came with defrag set as a Windows scheduled task
which I have disabled as the One Care once a month is good enough for my
purposes.
The task ran under SYSTEM at 0100 on Wednesday of each week (starting
1/1/2005 !) with defrag switches -c -i whatever they may be, i for
invisible ?
I can't see a defrag service as such.
Tom
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Charles W Davis
I completely disagree with you. "Total control" invites user error. Let it
run and enjoy your compter. In the Win98 days, one really had ot worry about
such things. No more.
run and enjoy your compter. In the Win98 days, one really had ot worry about
such things. No more.
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Tiberius
You completely disagree and are completely wrong.
You do not want user error? Please place your computer in a glass container
and stare at it all day..
Don't push any button and use it because it invites error... and by the way,
unplug it from the internet because you will get infected by malware and
viruses.
I don't think errors have been created by having a visual feedback and a way
to select the frikin drive you want to defrag when you want it! lol
No Sir.. I vote for intelligence behind the design, if you want an automated
defrag, vista could have added that as
an optional feature, or the other way around. I really don't care, as long
as the functionality exists. People WANT to have the ability to control
this,
and this has been reflected all over the internet by thousands of people
complaining about this. If a feature is wanted by the users, who is
Microsoft to deny it?
Microsoft is a business and if they still want to keep in business they
should start listening for a change.
You do not want user error? Please place your computer in a glass container
and stare at it all day..
Don't push any button and use it because it invites error... and by the way,
unplug it from the internet because you will get infected by malware and
viruses.
I don't think errors have been created by having a visual feedback and a way
to select the frikin drive you want to defrag when you want it! lol
No Sir.. I vote for intelligence behind the design, if you want an automated
defrag, vista could have added that as
an optional feature, or the other way around. I really don't care, as long
as the functionality exists. People WANT to have the ability to control
this,
and this has been reflected all over the internet by thousands of people
complaining about this. If a feature is wanted by the users, who is
Microsoft to deny it?
Microsoft is a business and if they still want to keep in business they
should start listening for a change.
F
Frank
Tiberius said:You completely disagree and are completely wrong.
You're entitled to your opinion...which is exactly what you're offering.
Opinion's are neither right nor wrong...that's why they're called opinions.
Frank
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Saucy
Tiberius said:i loved it
'Ditto' and must have watched near or more a million of those little cyan
squares .. And I liked 2000/XP's defrag even more ..
With XP I decided to write a jscript (WSH) that automated the whole she-bang
... it would cycle through each drive and defrag it and found I didn't miss
the visuals as I like the script writing. With Vista it is easily done with
a simple batch file.
Saucy
T
Tiberius
Frankie boy...
There is one truth, some opinions are closer or are the same as the truth.
And this is not an opinion, but a universal law.
If you say "everything is just an opinion" you are trying to make a rule,
but that rule by your defenition too must only be an opinion... logic breaks
down and there is paradox...
There is one truth, some opinions are closer or are the same as the truth.
And this is not an opinion, but a universal law.
If you say "everything is just an opinion" you are trying to make a rule,
but that rule by your defenition too must only be an opinion... logic breaks
down and there is paradox...
F
Frank
Tiberius said:Frankie boy...
There is one truth, some opinions are closer or are the same as the truth.
And this is not an opinion, but a universal law.
If you say "everything is just an opinion" you are trying to make a rule,
but that rule by your defenition too must only be an opinion... logic breaks
You forgot (proly didn't even know?) the ancient Greek philosopher
Aristotle said, "there is more than one truth".
Malaka!
Frank
BTW, if I'm a "boy" then you're a baby...LOL!
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