Connect 2MB with IDE ??

R

RosalieM

Hi,

What kind of hardware do I need if I want to connect two motherboards via
their one of their ide connector ?

Same question for connecting many motherboards via usb port.
I found usb-to-ethernet,
I found 1 usb to 1 usb direct cable,
I expected usb to hub able to handle many ports and connect them.

Thanks
 
K

kony

Hi,

What kind of hardware do I need if I want to connect two motherboards via
their one of their ide connector ?

You don't. Of all the ways to connect two systems, that's not one of
them.
Same question for connecting many motherboards via usb port.
I found usb-to-ethernet,
I found 1 usb to 1 usb direct cable,

More-or-less the same as USB-to-ethernet, but only for two systems.
I expected usb to hub able to handle many ports and connect them.

Hub? I dont' know about that, you might have the one system being the
host for the hub able to see the other systems, but they wouldn't see each
other AFAIK.

So you don't need any particular level of performance?
Most likely the best solution at any reasonable expense is Gigabit
ethernet, or for lesser performance, regular 100Mb ethernet.... sorta why
that's the method everyone uses unless they need wireless.
 
J

John-Paul Stewart

RosalieM said:
Hi,

What kind of hardware do I need if I want to connect two motherboards via
their one of their ide connector ?

This has been answered here at least twice recently. Short answer: you
can't.
Same question for connecting many motherboards via usb port.
I found usb-to-ethernet,
I found 1 usb to 1 usb direct cable,
I expected usb to hub able to handle many ports and connect them.

I wouldn't make that assumption if I were you. USB is not intended for
networking multiple computers together. Use Ethernet. It's a lot less
effort to get it working, and it'll probably be cheaper. Possibly
faster, too.
 
A

Alien Zord

kony said:
You don't. Of all the ways to connect two systems, that's not one of
them.


More-or-less the same as USB-to-ethernet, but only for two systems.


Hub? I dont' know about that, you might have the one system being the
host for the hub able to see the other systems, but they wouldn't see each
other AFAIK.
USB2.0 networking for up to 17 PCs:
http://www.bona.com.tw:8888/pc/usb2LINK.htm

Under 12USD in UK. Can get hands on it, I'm curious to know what speeds it
could achieve.
 
R

RosalieM

This has been answered here at least twice recently. Short answer: you

Tell me what you need, i will explain you how to manage without?
The logic hardware in hdd is so complex?
Use Ethernet. It's a lot less
effort to get it working, and it'll probably be cheaper. Possibly
faster, too.

Hunting with B52?

Anyway no place to pile up motherboards if i put ethernet nic in each one
that's why usb.
 
A

Alien Zord

RosalieM said:
Sure this will cost les 7 USD soon,
have we linux drivers for this one?
how i can connect up to 17 pc with 2 connectors.
No Linux drivers yet. I don't yet know but I suspect the 17 PCs would either
have to be daisy-chained using 16 such cables or using 5 cascaded 4 port USB
hubs and 16 of these data link cables and 5 standard USB cables.

For Linux or more than 2 PCs you'd be much better off using standard
networking hardware.
 
A

Alien Zord

RosalieM said:
The logic hardware in hdd is so complex?

Anyway no place to pile up motherboards if i put ethernet nic in each one
that's why usb.
IDE controllers have not been designed to share the ATA bus with another
controller, only with passive devices.

I have Realtek NIC cards only 1.25 inches (30 mm) tall (about same as
SDRAM).
 
E

Eric Gross

RosalieM said:
Tell me what you need, i will explain you how to manage without?
The logic hardware in hdd is so complex?


Hunting with B52?

Anyway no place to pile up motherboards if i put ethernet nic in each one
that's why usb.

Then buy some cheap USB to ethernet dongles (like $8 each) and a cheap hub
and get the best of both worlds.

-Eric Gross
 
V

*Vanguard*

"RosalieM" said in
Anyway no place to pile up motherboards if i put ethernet nic in each
one that's why usb.

Since you'll need a video card to boot the systems anyway, you'll
already have to account for the height of that card above the
motherboard, so the height of a NIC (Network Interface Card) won't
change the height requirement. Also, many motherboards now come with
onboard network controllers and onboard video but then onboard video has
been available for longer than onboard network controllers. However, I
suspect what you meant to ask is that you have 17 *old* and existing
motherboards that you are somehow trying to connect but not in a
standard Ethernet network. That probably means you'll need video cards
in each one which will incur a height penalty from the motherboard, and
you incur no additional height penalty in using a NIC.

Regarding Alien's suggestion to use the product at his/her provided
link, that only has 2 connectors, both of which go to a USB port on a
computer. The bulge in the middle of the cable is an inline hub. Since
you can only connect 2 computers with this product, and since there are
no other connections to this cable, the "networking" of 17 PCs is
dubious, especially since the page referred to provides no decent
information or documentation. What Alien's link shows is a USB bridge
(http://www.usb.org/faq/ans5#q6), not a USB-to-Ethernet adapter. I
suppose you could try their other product at
http://www.bona.com.tw:8888/pc/usblan-20.htm which is a USB-to-Ethernet
adapter. You would then connect it to a switch or hub. You could
connect together as many motherboards using USB-to-Ethernet adapters as
there were ports in the switch or hub, but you can also cascade switches
or hubs together in a hierarchical tree to up the number of ports.
However, this company can't figure out the specs for its own hardware.
They claim it is USB 2.0 compliant (480Mbps) and will support up to
100Mbps Ethernet yet they also claim the max USB transfer rate is only
12Mbps which means it is only USB 1.0/1.1 compliant. It may be USB 2.0
protocol compliant but it is only USB 1.1 hardware compliant. Look for
a product from someone else who can at least keep their specifications
matched. From http://snipurl.com/usb_to_ethernet, you'll spend almost
as much on a USB-to-Etherner converter as you will on an Ethernet 10/100
NIC (http://snipurl.com/dlink_nic).

If the motherboard already has an onboard network controller, you won't
need the USB-to-Ethernet converter. Just connect the motherboard's
RJ-45 connector to the Ethernet switch or hub.
 
R

RosalieM

In fact to pile up theses P200 motherboard i took off their riser card which
connect ide. Sor forget pci NIC.
I can let one mb with her pci connector to put a nic and a video card.
I dont think i need video to boot linux, it is written that grub can work
via serial.
I can communicate via serial et parallel also.
USB-to-ethernet seems best solution.

But i cant understand why hardware should be difficult to solve. There are
ide-flash hdd, hardware should be very close to solve this problem. I
understand that this does not exists yet or prob never will.
I would like to build a computer where each mb do one task.
 
J

John-Paul Stewart

RosalieM said:
I dont think i need video to boot linux, it is written that grub can work
via serial.

Linux may not have a problem, but the BIOS on many systems will fail to
boot without a video card. Heck, I've even seen some machines fail to
boot when the BIOS didn't detect a keyboard. Whether or not you can
boot without a video card is almost entirely up to your BIOS and how you
configure it.
But i cant understand why hardware should be difficult to solve. There are
ide-flash hdd, hardware should be very close to solve this problem. I
understand that this does not exists yet or prob never will.

IDE-Flash devices are quite similar to IDE hard drives in that they are
"targets" for commands sent by the host computer. Connecting two
computers by IDE implies that either one could send commands, and that's
just not something that is in the IDE spec. ("Multiple initiators" are
covered in the SCSI spec, however.)

Also, keep in mind that the *maximum* IDE cable length is a mere 18
inches. That doesn't give you much length to get from one system to the
next. (I can show you motherboard/case combinations where 18 inches
isn't sufficient to reach from the IDE connector at the bottom of the
motherboard to the furthest drive bay at the top of the case. I
wouldn't want to try to run from one motherboard to the next with only
18 inches of cable.)
 
A

Alien Zord

*Vanguard* said:
"RosalieM" said in

Regarding Alien's suggestion to use the product at his/her provided
link, that only has 2 connectors, both of which go to a USB port on a
computer. The bulge in the middle of the cable is an inline hub. Since
you can only connect 2 computers with this product, and since there are
no other connections to this cable, the "networking" of 17 PCs is
dubious, especially since the page referred to provides no decent
information or documentation. What Alien's link shows is a USB bridge
The bulge in the middle is a bidirectional data buffer. Possible
interconnection method could be a 17 PC cascade requiring 5 4-port hubs, 16
datalink cables and 5 AB cables:

PC PC PC PC
| | | |
4 port USB | 4 port USB | 4 port USB | 4 port USB
hub hub hub hub

\ | | /
4 port USB
hub
|
PC

However, this company can't figure out the specs for its own hardware.
Yep, I agree. I just evaluated 3 products from their range and ended up
returning all 3 because even though the hardware was well made the
documentation and especially the software left a lot to be desired. IMHO
they were not of merchantable quality.

I only mentioned the product because it existed and was interesting not
because I recommended it.
 
C

Cari

RosalieM said:
Hi,

What kind of hardware do I need if I want to connect two motherboards via
their one of their ide connector ?

Same question for connecting many motherboards via usb port.
I found usb-to-ethernet,
I found 1 usb to 1 usb direct cable,
I expected usb to hub able to handle many ports and connect them.
See your answers at

http://www.usb.org/faq
Particularly the fourth section down.

Cari
www.coribright.com
 
A

Alien Zord

RosalieM said:
In fact to pile up theses P200 motherboard i took off their riser card which
connect ide. Sor forget pci NIC.
I can let one mb with her pci connector to put a nic and a video card.
I dont think i need video to boot linux, it is written that grub can work
via serial.
I can communicate via serial et parallel also.
USB-to-ethernet seems best solution.

But i cant understand why hardware should be difficult to solve. There are
ide-flash hdd, hardware should be very close to solve this problem. I
understand that this does not exists yet or prob never will.
I would like to build a computer where each mb do one task.
Most motherboards will not boot without a graphics card because it's BIOS is
an extension of the mobo's BIOS and without it the mobo cannot boot.

Flash RAM has a limited life time of 100k to 1 million erase cycles which
when acting as PC's hard drive can be reached in as little as 3 months. I
have considered it for my company's range of industrial PCs but then
rejected it because of that.
 
J

Jacob Westenbach

Alien Zord said:
Most motherboards will not boot without a graphics card because it's BIOS is
an extension of the mobo's BIOS and without it the mobo cannot boot.

Flash RAM has a limited life time of 100k to 1 million erase cycles which
when acting as PC's hard drive can be reached in as little as 3 months. I
have considered it for my company's range of industrial PCs but then
rejected it because of that.

The display adaptor does not have to be graphics capable (although I can't
recall seeing a PCI-based monochrome adaptor). In either case, a monitor is
not a requirement.

JW
 
R

RosalieM

Anyway they have graphic adapter on the mb.

To ask again with ide connection.
The hardware logic part that is included into a hdd helps the hdd to write
in the mb memory directly?
Is this part very complicated, it cant be duplicated so each mb writes in
other's memory?
About usb, i understood that mb-usb-usb-mb adapter need a chip to manage
connection, is this very close to a chip into a special hub to make cheap
ethernet like?
 
T

Tech Support for IDE-CF

RosalieM said:
In fact to pile up theses P200 motherboard i took off their riser card which
connect ide. Sor forget pci NIC.
I can let one mb with her pci connector to put a nic and a video card.
I dont think i need video to boot linux, it is written that grub can work
via serial.
I can communicate via serial et parallel also.
USB-to-ethernet seems best solution.

But i cant understand why hardware should be difficult to solve. There are
ide-flash hdd, hardware should be very close to solve this problem. I
understand that this does not exists yet or prob never will.
I would like to build a computer where each mb do one task.

It is possible to do so, if you have the time and money. For example,
there are IDE controllers inside Compact Flashes to translate into
linear memory addressing. If you wire the memory busses to common
switches and/or relays, you can build a shared memory buffer for
several devices.

You can get cheap 4M Compact Flash and yank out the controller. If
you pay for shipping, we can just send you a few controllers yanked
out of these CFs.
 
R

RosalieM

Tech Support for IDE-CF said:
linear memory addressing. If you wire the memory busses to common
switches and/or relays, you can build a shared memory buffer for
several devices.

You can get cheap 4M Compact Flash and yank out the controller. If
you pay for shipping, we can just send you a few controllers yanked
out of these CFs.
Thanks for this post.
I dont know how to wire all this.
Do you think that in theory i could connect more than 3 motherboard with one
of this controller, (mb and master and slave)?
Do you think that this kind of product will be made soon, many people are
connecting old computers together ...
 
A

Alien Zord

RosalieM said:
Anyway they have graphic adapter on the mb.

To ask again with ide connection.
The hardware logic part that is included into a hdd helps the hdd to write
in the mb memory directly?
Is this part very complicated, it cant be duplicated so each mb writes in
other's memory?
About usb, i understood that mb-usb-usb-mb adapter need a chip to manage
connection, is this very close to a chip into a special hub to make cheap
ethernet like?
1)
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/index.htm?iid=PCG+devleftnav&
2) No, most USB interface chips appear to be fixed-function devices. Have a
look at Cypress (includes former Anchor chips).
http://www.cypress.com/
 

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