Concerns about defrag's effect on hd

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Laughingstar~*

I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare
remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my
computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own
backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan.
That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using
26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous.
 
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Guest

Laughingstar~* said:
I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare
remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my
computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own
backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan.
That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using
26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous.

Try to configure the number of day you ant onecare to take care of the
Defrag, by default may be OneCare set to defrag each time the scan performed!.
I do agree with you the Defrag will wear out the HDD <G>.
HTH.
nass
 
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Laughingstar~*

Its included in the maintence, like our individual MS programs are but we
select each one.
 
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Shenan Stanley

Laughingstar~* said:
I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare.
However, OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready
to demand my $ back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have
not downloaded IE7, and do my own backups monthly. Additionally,
it defrags every time it performs a scan. That is not good for my
HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using 26% of my main
drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting
ridiculous.

db ´¯`·.. > said:

Laughingstar~* said:

Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare...
http://qna.live.com/

And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare...
http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2

Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers from
people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - as they hang
out in the OneCare related forums/areas.

Why did you have to do a clean install twice? That sounds like one of two
things...

Hardware issues (defective hard drive, controller, cabling, etc come to mind
in this case...) or user error/user assumption. VERY seldom is it necessary
to perform a clean installation of Windows XP. In most cases, it may be
easier - might even be faster - but seldom is it necessary.

Why do you think that a defrag is *not* good for your hard disk drive?
Because it is being accessed/utilized more? After being around computers
that run FULL BLAST 24/7 - accessing GBs upon GBs of data every hour - I
would call that 'urban myth'...

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=180776

Good Luck!
 
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Gerry

Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction was
that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows
Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last
few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be
renamed Windows Live NannyCare!

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Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2

http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2

I used one care during the trial period and
never encountered any difficulties with
it.

However, I chose to use the Live Free
Version instead of the subscription
version after the trial was over.

The Live version of One Care does
have customer scanning options
that permit disabling the defrag option.

No doubt that their will be updates
available for the subscribers when
they are made available.

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Gerry said:
Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction
was that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"!
Windows Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in
the last few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It
could be renamed Windows Live NannyCare!

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Phisherman

I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare
remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my
computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own
backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan.
That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using
26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean
re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous.

Not good. I'd dump OneCare. It is a good idea to do a thorough scan
and defrag, maybe once or twice a month for average PC use. There is
no reason at this time to "upgrade" to IE7 (this may even be
risky)--best to wait 6-12 months. Microsoft takes a long time to
patch security holes, as there is no profit in doing so.
 
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Uncle Grumpy

Laughingstar~* said:
I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year.
This is getting ridiculous.

I've had WinXP on my system since it was first released in October of
2001.

NEVER have I had to reinstall it.

NEVER.

Why have you had to reinstall it?
 
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Laughingstar~*

No, I had to do the clean install only once, b/c the XP Pro became
corrupted--as identified and concurred with by Level I microsoft
technologists, and their managers. HP (computer mfgr) Business Computers
support was in on this from last Thursday, on the phone, ready and willing
to help any time I needed them. What a pleasant experience. The first Level
I MS tech they assisgned to my case started out helping me on the phone (I'm
blind) and told me what to back-up on my C drive (I do not segment my HD). I
used my Braille Writer to write down the Folders and backed them up on
SanDisks, like an idiot...had to format them b/c last month's back-up was on
them. Someone else heard his instuctions on my speaker phone and concurred
with my list.

After about 30 minutes, the tech put me on hold, then disconnected with
me...never called me back, and I kept emailing him w/o any reply--he was in
India (lovely!). This has been going on like this since June 18th. Alas, a
woman tech phoned to tell me the name of the tech who would call me the next
day--this time a "real Level I" tech. He was great. Did a wonderful job, and
followed through w everything he said was needed, and he'd do. By that time,
my adaptive programs were not operational, b/c they had to be re-loaded.

All's well now, but I'm w/o my adpative screen reader, Zoom Text, b/c it
gives me a "DCM error" message. The ZoomText techs are working on it in Ai
Squared. A couple of weeks ago, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` herein helped me quite a
long time. I didn't want to do anything with my registry, w/o expertise
'over my shoulder,' and after he helped me my windows began to appear like
slow-moving slide shows, not closing, staying open, grayed out, etc. That's
when I really hit hard on microsoft to answer my pleas from last June.

Everyone has told me (in Microsoft) not to defrag the HD often..."it not
good for your hard disk..." Today, I found out that in OneCare the option is
to schedule the Protection Plus, which includes defragging regardless--no
option--and its not needed "more than quarterly..." That's stupid
programming, imho. When I run my utilities, I don't defrag unless its
needed. Manually, its never been necessary. Thank you...so far all's well,
except for my adaptive software, and missing all my OE data in the 'not
backed up.'
 
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Laughingstar~*

AMEN to that!
Gerry said:
Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction was
that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows Live
OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last few
days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be renamed
Windows Live NannyCare!

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Laughingstar~*

Great news. I've talked to MS in Ca about this program, and they know it has
big bugs. I'm only afraid its no better than Ad-Aware or others that are
anon. grayware, even though they do their job, if they are well observed in
what they 'remove."

db ´¯`·.. > said:
http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2

http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2

I used one care during the trial period and
never encountered any difficulties with
it.

However, I chose to use the Live Free
Version instead of the subscription
version after the trial was over.

The Live version of One Care does
have customer scanning options
that permit disabling the defrag option.

No doubt that their will be updates
available for the subscribers when
they are made available.

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Laughingstar~*

Like a breeze from the ocean. I did install IE 7 a while back, and that's
what started the weird behaviour on my computer. I uninstalled it, and some
of the problems settled down. I also removed Adobe and tried as hard as was
sensible to remove WMP v. 11--I don't need a retail store on my system and
not one going out to the Internet all the time...for the life of me I could
not find the "update" file in v.11, so tried to go back to v. 10, but the
window reported it wasn't possible with XP Pro. Well I'm now running v. 9
with satisfaction since the clean install. IOW, I wanted to minimize the
programs updating w/o my knowledge. I was using Zone Alarm and WF both, but
databaseben advised against both, so I uninstalled Zone.

Now, back to ad-aware, spybot s&d, and AVG??? They were good to me, as long
as I
"watched" what was removed before I deleted things. My screen reader is
excellent. On computers since 1978 and no Virus or Trojans, yet. But, I'm
very cautious.
 
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Laughingstar~*

Oh gosh, I have had to re-install it twice. I'm sorry everyone.

The only thing I can think of is that I use adaptive programs (for the
blind), dictate my input, and it reads everything to me. As a writer, that
is imperative. My HP Business Desktop will be two years old in October, and
on a 4 yr in-home warranty. They're on "it" everytime I contact them about
anything.

We did go through several power supplies in the first six months...my system
would merely shut down on me w/o any notice. The first replacement was
"bad," and the tech was aware that some parts returned that don't appear to
be malfunctioning aren't detected (weren't part of the original problem), so
install a new one, and it went like magic. Perhaps its the large programs.
Also, I've learned not to put any of them on StartUp. That helps a great
deal.

thank you, very much.
 
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Laughingstar~*

BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP in the
first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on the
microsoft.ngs.
 
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Laughingstar~*

Its gone! Most problems began or maybe appeared more pronounced/more often
after IE 7 was installed and uninstalled. All's well. Won't rock the cradle.
 
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i'm glad you had the opportunity
to communicate with them and they
with you.

there are never any gaurantees that
any piece of software will work on
the millions of pc configurations
eventhough windows seems
to be the common denominator.

and it may be that your particular
system will be better off with out
it eventhough there are systems
that function perfectly with the
software.

I absolutely never encountered any
difficulties with that software. However,
I am not a fan of subscriptions or renting
of software so I use the Live version approx.
once every couple of weeks.


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