Complaint

[John Kelly]

Hello,

Mr Brown and Mr. Eddy. Please take this message as notice that I will be
complaining formally about one of your employee's a mr denny who uses the
honorific MS-MVP

If you look at all of his messages in this newsgroup over say the last
week you will find I am sure that his remarks are anything but helpful. At
least one remark is quite insulting.

I will be compiling a full list of his messages and messages from those
who seek to support him and detailing my complaint in writing by ordinary
post.

My purpose here is to pre-warn you of its arrival, so that if it does
not soon arrive on your desks you will be able to query where it is.

I am very unhappy with the way this newsgroup is administered and the
quality of some of your MVP's At least two of them seem to be employees of
your company. I find it very hard to believe that your company is happy to
employ people who advertise that they are your employees and MVP's and then
conduct themselves in the way they do

I once again make the remark that these MVP's have hardly covered
themselves in any form of glory, again, and ask, when will you deal with
them so that ordinary users can help others without being bombarded with
insults and inferences of being a liar?

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

 

[Rich]

Hello,

Mr Brown and Mr. Eddy. Please take this message as notice that I will be
complaining formally about one of your employee's a mr denny who uses the
honorific MS-MVP

If you look at all of his messages in this newsgroup over say the last
week you will find I am sure that his remarks are anything but helpful. At
least one remark is quite insulting.

I will be compiling a full list of his messages and messages from those
who seek to support him and detailing my complaint in writing by ordinary
post.

My purpose here is to pre-warn you of its arrival, so that if it does
not soon arrive on your desks you will be able to query where it is.

I am very unhappy with the way this newsgroup is administered and the
quality of some of your MVP's At least two of them seem to be employees of
your company. I find it very hard to believe that your company is happy to
employ people who advertise that they are your employees and MVP's and then
conduct themselves in the way they do

I once again make the remark that these MVP's have hardly covered
themselves in any form of glory, again, and ask, when will you deal with
them so that ordinary users can help others without being bombarded with
insults and inferences of being a liar?

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

Attach this complaint Mr. Kelly...

BTW, still waiting for that piece of paper you promised...

Rich




Subject: Mr. Rich Sanchez of RESTON, VA
From: "John Kelly" <[email protected]>
Organization: www.the-kellys.org
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Mr Richard Sanchez of RESTON, VA has made remarks in this newsgroup that I
am not going to stand for. He has tried to imply that I am putting people in
danger by using TINY URL's, a practise that the MVP PAPAJOHN started and I
thought was a good idea. PAPAJOHN did not actually come up with this idea of
course, someone else showed him how to do it in this news group.

However, Mr. Rich SANCHEZ of RESTON, VA in the apparent belief that because
he lives several thousand miles from me, and in the clear and stupid belief
that he can discourage people from using my website, has tried to blacken my
name.

MR. Rich Sanchez, I have immediate family relatives living in OLD TOWN,
Alexandria, VA. I visit them at least once a year. Because of the wonderful
freedom of information in your country it will not be hard for a Server to
find you and give a piece of paper that you will not like.

Repeat any such statement again at your own financial peril Mr. Sanchez.

Yes, someone will no doubt jump on this message and start another slagging
match

--
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www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
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[John Kelly]

Hello mr sanchez

You clearly did not read the message, however if you do wish a piece of
paper I am sure you can find a way to get it. The way you shut up before was
a clear indication that someone advised you that I really do go to VA and
Reston. Your provocative attitude would not stand you in good stead if I
were to go ahead, should you decide to push your luck.

The complaint about you was already attached by the way.

I really do not understand why you people keep measuring me by your own
standards. It is always a bad thing to do. You are perhaps unaware that
there have recently been some successful prosecutions with respect to
publishing defamatory remarks. The court case was in this country and it was
against someone in the USA. I don't think I knew the exact nature of the
abuse. I do know that the complainant won substantial compensation. I will
try and find it for you if you really want to read it. It was a few months
back so it should not be to hard.

Can I just point out one thing for you. The complaint to the two
officials of Microsoft is supported by your very action in posting your
comments. If you do not understand that, then please get to grips with it
now. Each time you post a message in the manner you do, you give me the
legitimate right to reply. You are therefore providing all the proof I could
ever hope for. I do not know or care how old you are, if you are a juvenile
your parents will I am sure be less than happy.

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

 

[Rich]

Hello mr sanchez

You clearly did not read the message,

You are incorrect in assuming that I did not read the message.

however if you do wish a piece of
paper I am sure you can find a way to get it.

That was your original threat, so now carry on with it.

The way you shut up before was
a clear indication that someone advised you that I really do go to VA and
Reston.

A wrong assumption on your part. I could care less that you go to Virginia.
Is that supposed to bother me? Is that the way Mr. Kelly attempts to
intimidate people?

Your provocative attitude would not stand you in good stead if I
were to go ahead, should you decide to push your luck.

I'm pushing my luck. Is that easy enough for you to understand? Talk is
cheap Mr. Kelly.

The complaint about you was already attached by the way.

I'm waiting, but I will not hold my breath. I'll deal with it.

I really do not understand why you people keep measuring me by your own
standards. It is always a bad thing to do. You are perhaps unaware that
there have recently been some successful prosecutions with respect to
publishing defamatory remarks.

There is probably a lot you do not understand. Yes, I am fully aware. And
that is suppose to cause me to crawl into a corner or take your idle threats
seriously? Now either follow through with your threats or shut up. Pretty
plain and simple. Even you should be able to understand that.

The court case was in this country and it was
against someone in the USA. I don't think I knew the exact nature of the
abuse. I do know that the complainant won substantial compensation.

So? What is your point? Is that another one of you idle threats or do you
just like to hear yourself talk.

I will
try and find it for you if you really want to read it. It was a few months
back so it should not be to hard.

Don't bother. Just carry on with what you said you were going to do.

Can I just point out one thing for you. The complaint to the two
officials of Microsoft is supported by your very action in posting your
comments. If you do not understand that, then please get to grips with it
now. Each time you post a message in the manner you do, you give me the
legitimate right to reply.

It's always someone else's fault isn't it Mr. Kelly. Perhaps it is you who
should come to grips. If that is what you think, then I surely can not
change your mind. Enough of your threats. You have complete rights to
reply to anything you wish, and so do I.

You are therefore providing all the proof I could
ever hope for.

So now that you have proof, act on it. Or are you going to continue with
threats and talk.

I do not know or care how old you are, if you are a juvenile
your parents will I am sure be less than happy.

I am an adult so you don't have to bring my parents into to it. Is that
another Mr. Kelly cheap shot?

Rich

 

[Guest]

<<<SNIP>>

----- Rich wrote: ----

Attach this complaint Mr. Kelly..

BTW, still waiting for that piece of paper you promised..

Ric

<<<BIG SNIP>>

Grow up !

 

[Guest]

<<<<<VERY BIG SNIP>>>>

Rich you are acting like a spoilt child. GROW UP !!!

 

[Alan Parker]

<<<<<VERY BIG SNIP>>>>>

Rich you are acting like a spoilt child. GROW UP !!!

Why did you have to post the same message twice?
Why do you feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name from an anonymous
posting server?

I think there is a LOT you don't understand going on here - I can assure
you, if you read back through some of the threads it will become a little
clearer.

Then I think you may draw a different conclusion as to who the spoilt child
is...

 

[Alan Parker]

I fully support Rich's email here, and if anyone else would like to add
there support, it would be most welcome.
Many of us have received personal threatening emails from John Kelly, and
many have sat and bit their lip while they have read the constant venom from
John Kelly, threatening to contact employers or attempt to infect their PC's
with viruses.
Would you like me to post those emails on here, John? I haven't yet, because
I don't think that's the way forward.
But you continue to abuse, threaten and bully. Some of the recipients of
your bile have managed to rise above it, but you push and push, and when
they eventually defend themselves, you use manipulative quoting and threaten
to report them to MS for daring to speak out against the great John Kelly.
But I say "Thank God for John Kelly"! After all, why bother with newsgroup
standards and protocols, when the JK way MUST be better! And why bother with
all that nonsense about Moviemaker being non-linear, when we can let you
spam all the hundreds of newsgroups on the Microsoft server informing
everyone that Papajohn has got it all wrong, and in fact MM is a linear
editor (in spite of the fact that it's not).
And thank goodness you saved us from the depraved filth that is "The
Apprentice", NBC's show about Donald Trump. Otherwise, we would have seen a
show "of an EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC NATURE" (your words). I visited the website
at http://www.nbc.com/The_Apprentice/ and found shocking scenes of people
with clothes on, but would you believe those liberal Americans had given it
a TV-PG rating? Glad you warned us John.

One more thing, John. Read this:
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm
Recognise anyone?

I find the MVPs advice to be invaluable. They aren't employees of Microsoft,
as you seem to think, they are VOLUNTEERS.
I'm not afraid of you, John, so shut up or grow up.

 

[Guest]

Alan, you are right on the money. Anyone who has monitored Mr
Kelly's behavior in this newsgroup would also have to come to th
same conclusion -- including the people at Microsoft to whom hi
ridiculous complaint is addressed

Lenn

----- Alan Parker wrote: ----

<<<<<VERY BIG SNIP>>>>>>> Rich you are acting like a spoilt child. GROW UP !!

Why did you have to post the same message twice
Why do you feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name from an anonymou
posting server

I think there is a LOT you don't understand going on here - I can assur
you, if you read back through some of the threads it will become a littl
clearer

Then I think you may draw a different conclusion as to who the spoilt chil
is..

 

[Guest]

I thought Mr Sanchez should grow up and told him so. I 5think you should go to your shrink and have a lot more therapy

I do not show my real name for the opposite reason to all of those who have attacked Mr. J Kell

I would consider revealing who I was except for one reason. I did what you suggested and read a lot of the messages in this list. I see a lot of people have hidden behind obvious false names when they attacked Mr. Kelly. I have even gone back as far as I can to see how the augument started. So far I can identify you, Mr Sanchez and Mr. Denny Messages from Mr. Kelly are not abusive and appear to plainly state a point of view. I saw that you replied in an abusive manner. I also saw that on no less than two occasions people from Microsoft basically posted messages in this list that required you to shut up. The last message was to point out that Mr. J Kelly was telling the truth and that the lies you were all taking part in distributing were just that LIES

I for one would like to see the threatening emails you have personally received from Mr J. Kelly. Please post those messages here so that we can all judge for ourselves whether you were threatened or not

I have read quite a few of the messages you said I should look at, all I see is one person defending himself against abuse from people who would not last very long in polite company You must all feel real proud of your selves

I also have to say that the last few messages from you where you told Mr Kelly to stop right there on the issue of whether he was called a tit or not rather funny. If Mr. Kelly does not get sarisfaction from this I will also write to Microsoft to complain about the way he has been treated

In the meantime Mr. J. Kelly getsa my full support against people like you and those others

 

[John Kelly]

What on earth is this lot?

Mr Parker, I believe you and the others have had at least one warning from
Mr Brown of Microsoft that demonstrated that he was getting tired of the
lies aimed at me. When will that sink in I wonder.

You are not afraid of me!!!! What's this.....Do you realise that the
response you have given is one of the first phrases of a person who is
exactly that!! Frightened. What on earth is wrong with you.

These emails you say are from me where I threaten you. Yes please post the
full thing, do not cut out anything. Not even the headers. As well as
posting these emails, please also describe why you felt threatened by them.
Please also describe exactly what it was that I had warned you about...you
see Mr. Parker, I also have copies.... I invite you to make to post them
all. This is indeed getting very interesting.

I wonder how long it is going to take before Mr Brown or Mr Eddy come back
in here and tell you, again, to shut up

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

Hello Mr Lenny,

If you do not, and I assume you do not, know, My response to several stupid
remarks by Papajohn has lead to this situation. In recent times one MVP Mr
Denny, started demonstratively telling lies about me in this newsgroup. As
always the bully boys jumped in to have a bit of fun...It would have
continued except for Mr Brown of Microsoft jumping in and basically telling
them that I WAS telling the truth...Mr Denny then tried to get out of that
most recent muck stirring by saying "well at least that's cleared that
point up", but it was the MVP Denny that issued the lie in the first place.

If this is the sort of person you wish to support, all I can say is, what a
great pity.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

Hello there,

Thank you. You can now expect to be abused in a variety of ways. Some of
this abuse will come from people who appear in this news group using their
real name and then using an alias. Mr. Denny will no doubt start a lie
about you, Mr Parker will tell you he is not afraid of you and Mr.
Sanchez, well Mr. Sanchez really does need to learn how to be the adult he
claims to be.

I have also asked mr parker to post these threats he says I sent to him by
email. I have the originals of course so it will be interesting to see how
he deals with it.

Hopefully Mr. Brown and Mr. Denny who were CC'd with my message of
complaint will jump in here soon and once again slap them down. I do hope
though that he does rather more than that. Its about time PAPAJOHNS BULLY
BOYS get the order of the boot.

Mr Brown appeared in here some few days back at which time he slapped down
mr denny, an MVP, for telling lies about me. mr denny tried to save face by
making the comment "Well at least that point is cleared up"

So be warned that whilst I do appreciate your support, you will suffer for
it.
--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[Alan Parker]

Mr Brown appeared in here some few days back at which time he slapped down
mr denny, an MVP, for telling lies about me. mr denny tried to save face by
making the comment "Well at least that point is cleared up"

Andrew Brown only appears to have posted one message in this group in the
last 3 months.
Would this be the one in which he slaps down Mr Denny?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Brown [MS]" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: HTML Posting, Microsoft.* newsgroups and USENET (with a hint of
USENET II)

 

[John Kelly]

And here is the denny reply...big egg on face time, YES ??

| form e-mail from me. This was done based purely on posting volume in a
| newsgroup or groups, without any kind of review process - it's a first
step
| to verify that a person has a valid e-mail address before we begin
actually
| evaluating them for a possible MVP nomination. John came to the mistaken
| conclusion that he was being nominated for the award (which was not the
| case), and "declined" as he stated. By that time, though, he was already
out
| of consideration for the award based on my review of his posting history.
|
| Regards,
|
| --
| Andrew A. Brown
| MVP Lead, Microsoft
| Digital Media/eHome/Mobile Devices/Tablet
| (e-mail address removed)

Thank you Andrew. That will have cleared one invaluable point up.


--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

I am still waiting for you to post ALL of these messages where you claim I
threaten you mr parker, or do you want every one to think this is yet
another lie that will not stand up to close scrutiny....make sure you post
all of the headers as well mr parker......

--
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www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

Still waiting mr. parker

John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

Mr Brown appeared in here some few days back at which time he slapped down
mr denny, an MVP, for telling lies about me. mr denny tried to save face by
making the comment "Well at least that point is cleared up"

Andrew Brown only appears to have posted one message in this group in the
last 3 months.
Would this be the one in which he slaps down Mr Denny?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Brown [MS]" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: HTML Posting, Microsoft.* newsgroups and USENET (with a hint of
USENET II)

Several months ago, John Kelly (along with numerous other users) was

sent

a
form e-mail from me. This was done based purely on posting volume in a
newsgroup or groups, without any kind of review process - it's a first step
to verify that a person has a valid e-mail address before we begin actually
evaluating them for a possible MVP nomination. John came to the mistaken
conclusion that he was being nominated for the award (which was not the
case), and "declined" as he stated. By that time, though, he was already out
of consideration for the award based on my review of his posting

history.

 

[print_maker]

In Outlook Express, you can go to "Message" > "Block Sender..." , if someone
is giving you flack or acting less than apropriate... blocking them is the
best way to go. If we all block those we are annoyed with rather than
publicly flame them, we will probably all feel a lot better in the long
run - *and* there will be fewer annoying messages in the group for people
looking for an answer.

The only downside (if you can call it one) is some people may get their
question answered more than once.

Your mileage may vary.

.....now, back to editing

 

[John Kelly]

Just a quickly...Mr Parker...your threats about my emails to you...I am
still waiting for you to prove your remarks.....I'm not holding my breath
though....the greatest difference I suppose is that when I have commented on
the remarks by the original cause of this nuisance...PAPAJOHN, I did at
least back up my comments with the proof, would you like me to re-emphasize
those proofs?. The same when you challenged my remarks about Mr Denny, I
provided the proof....What will you be doing? You have made your accusation,
lets see the proof. I have after all asked you a number of times for it. I
have asked politely. I suppose the comments by Print-maker could almost be
considered as funny...Mr Denny said he was going to KILLFILE me the day he
became more than a little insulting when he called me a "TIT"...however the
lie (I am going to killfile you), well it was just that, a lie.

Oh yes, from what I have heard, you should be carefull exactly how you
present your proof, it can have a very nasty shock when it
backfires...remember to include exactly why you picked your fight with me. I
have.

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work