Cloning new HD

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XJHay

I have one of those generic computers that can handle both ATA and SATA
drives. It can also handle DDR and DDR2 mem chips. A 'CLONE' so to speak.

Anyway, my boot drive now is an ATA 120 GB hd. I want to clone it to a SATA
500 GB hd. These are both Seagate drives.

Using the software that came with the SATA hd I attempted the cloning. All
seemed ok until I tried to boot to the new hd. Kept getting the message that
the operating system was missing.

It seems that all the data cloned to the new SATA hd and I went into the
BIOS to set the new hd as the boot drive and disconnected the original hd so
as not to cause any undo confusion. I think for some reason the ATA to SATA
exchange was somehow not complete or there is a compatibility issue somewhere.

Any ideas or suggestions would be great. I am trying to avoid starting from
scratch. My intent is to use the new cloned SATA hd in this computer and put
the old drive in an older computer for backup purposes etc. The older
computer cannot use the SATA drive.

Thanks in advanced for any help!
 
L

Lil' Dave

XJHay said:
I have one of those generic computers that can handle both ATA and SATA
drives. It can also handle DDR and DDR2 mem chips. A 'CLONE' so to speak.

Anyway, my boot drive now is an ATA 120 GB hd. I want to clone it to a
SATA
500 GB hd. These are both Seagate drives.

Using the software that came with the SATA hd I attempted the cloning. All
seemed ok until I tried to boot to the new hd. Kept getting the message
that
the operating system was missing.

It seems that all the data cloned to the new SATA hd and I went into the
BIOS to set the new hd as the boot drive and disconnected the original hd
so
as not to cause any undo confusion. I think for some reason the ATA to
SATA
exchange was somehow not complete or there is a compatibility issue
somewhere.

Any ideas or suggestions would be great. I am trying to avoid starting
from
scratch. My intent is to use the new cloned SATA hd in this computer and
put
the old drive in an older computer for backup purposes etc. The older
computer cannot use the SATA drive.

Thanks in advanced for any help!

Before I reply, some questions regarding the bios summary. When your
onboard SATA is enabled, is SATA specified in the bios summary, or, is
another ide noted? IE 3 ide total.

In the bios setup for SATA, is there a manual allowance for that, AND, an
option to map a SATA hard drive to primary or secondary ide?

The bios summary is the screen that occurs indicating hardware detected,
without entering bios, during normal bootup.

Was the Seagate software made by TrueImage?
 
D

DL

Read your mobo manual about using sata as the boot drive, it may involve
both bios settings and installing sata/raid drivers from floppy using the F6
option, early in the repair/installation of win
 
X

XJHay

Yes, it is. If I understand you question correctly. When I set it up as the
boot drive, it displayed 1st, with my other hd displaying next.

In the BIOS, there is seperate positions for SATA etc. I did not see an
option for primary or secondary. That is confusing me too. In the new setup
my primary would be the SATA with the ATA being the secondary.

The software is 'Acronis'
 
X

XJHay

After reading a bit about the RAID drivers etc, I really don't want to use
them.

According to the manual I shouldn't have to. It says it supports SATA
Hot-plug feature which allows me to use the SATA drive in the same manner as
a USB drive.

Am I missing something? Do you agree?
 
L

Lil' Dave

There may be an auto setup, and, a manual setup option for SATA. If manual
is available, is that option for mapping I previously noted there IF manual
is selected?
 
A

Anna

XJHay said:
I have one of those generic computers that can handle both ATA and SATA
drives. It can also handle DDR and DDR2 mem chips. A 'CLONE' so to speak.

Anyway, my boot drive now is an ATA 120 GB hd. I want to clone it to a
SATA
500 GB hd. These are both Seagate drives.

Using the software that came with the SATA hd I attempted the cloning. All
seemed ok until I tried to boot to the new hd. Kept getting the message
that
the operating system was missing.

It seems that all the data cloned to the new SATA hd and I went into the
BIOS to set the new hd as the boot drive and disconnected the original hd
so
as not to cause any undo confusion. I think for some reason the ATA to
SATA
exchange was somehow not complete or there is a compatibility issue
somewhere.

Any ideas or suggestions would be great. I am trying to avoid starting
from
scratch. My intent is to use the new cloned SATA hd in this computer and
put
the old drive in an older computer for backup purposes etc. The older
computer cannot use the SATA drive.

Thanks in advanced for any help!


XJHay said:
Yes, it is. If I understand you question correctly. When I set it up as
the
boot drive, it displayed 1st, with my other hd displaying next.

In the BIOS, there is seperate positions for SATA etc. I did not see an
option for primary or secondary. That is confusing me too. In the new
setup
my primary would be the SATA with the ATA being the secondary.

The software is 'Acronis'


DL said:
Read your mobo manual about using sata as the boot drive, it may involve
both bios settings and installing sata/raid drivers from floppy using the
F6
option, early in the repair/installation of win


XJHay said:
After reading a bit about the RAID drivers etc, I really don't want to use
them.

According to the manual I shouldn't have to. It says it supports SATA
Hot-plug feature which allows me to use the SATA drive in the same manner
as
a USB drive.

Am I missing something? Do you agree?


XJHay:
Since you're apparently not configuring a RAID setup here we'll assume (at
least for the moment) that the motherboard contains an integrated SATA
controller driver and no auxiliary driver is needed. (It would be helpful in
queries of your sort if you would indicate the make & model of the
motherboard.) In any event carefully read your motherboard's user guide to
ensure that no auxiliary SATA controller driver needs to be installed.

As you've indicated, the disk-copying utility provided by Seagate is a
derivative of the Acronis True Image program. We *have* experienced problems
with that program from time to time and no longer use it. But we're aware
that many users have found it effective as a one-time disk-cloning program.

We'll assume that you've properly connected your SATA HDD to the *first*
SATA connector on your motherboard - designated either SATA0 or SATA1.

We're also assuming that your present boot HDD - the 120 GB PATA HDD - boots
without incident and functions without *any* problems. That's right, isn't
it?

Retry the disk-cloning operation with the Seagate utility. We'll assume that
the operation goes smoothly with no error messages along the way. After
completion, disconnect your PATA HDD from the system and try a boot to the
(presumably) newly-cloned SATA HDD. (Check your BIOS settings re boot
priority order to ensure that the system will boot to the SATA HDD).

The "hot-plug" feature of SATA HDDs has nothing to do with your problem.
That's just another capability in general with SATA HDDs.

If you're still experiencing problems with the disk-cloning process and you
like the Acronis True Image program, why not download & install the ATI
trial version of their program and use it in lieu of the Seagate program.

One other thing that comes to mind...
I assume if you boot to your present PATA HDD with the SATA HDD connected
(in effect connected as a "secondary" HDD at that point) the SATA HDD is
visible in your system and you can access its contents (presuming there is
data on the SATA HDD from the failed disk-cloning operation). Is that
correct?

There's no reason for you to suspect you may be dealing with a defective
SATA HDD, is there?
Anna
 
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XJHay

Anna said:
XJHay:
Since you're apparently not configuring a RAID setup here we'll assume (at
least for the moment) that the motherboard contains an integrated SATA
controller driver and no auxiliary driver is needed. (It would be helpful in
queries of your sort if you would indicate the make & model of the
motherboard.) In any event carefully read your motherboard's user guide to
ensure that no auxiliary SATA controller driver needs to be installed.


Yes, it does.
No auxillary controler driver needed.


As you've indicated, the disk-copying utility provided by Seagate is a
derivative of the Acronis True Image program. We *have* experienced problems
with that program from time to time and no longer use it. But we're aware
that many users have found it effective as a one-time disk-cloning program.

I'm not completely sold on the Acronis either. If you know of something else
I could use please let me know.
We'll assume that you've properly connected your SATA HDD to the *first*
SATA connector on your motherboard - designated either SATA0 or SATA1.

Yes, SATA1.

We're also assuming that your present boot HDD - the 120 GB PATA HDD - boots
without incident and functions without *any* problems. That's right, isn't
it?

Yes, it boots and works fine!


Retry the disk-cloning operation with the Seagate utility. We'll assume that
the operation goes smoothly with no error messages along the way. After
completion, disconnect your PATA HDD from the system and try a boot to the
(presumably) newly-cloned SATA HDD. (Check your BIOS settings re boot
priority order to ensure that the system will boot to the SATA HDD).

Have run it in both 'Automatic' and 'Manual' mode. Only difference was that
I could not control the size of the partitions.


The "hot-plug" feature of SATA HDDs has nothing to do with your problem.
That's just another capability in general with SATA HDDs.

If you're still experiencing problems with the disk-cloning process and you
like the Acronis True Image program, why not download & install the ATI
trial version of their program and use it in lieu of the Seagate program.

One other thing that comes to mind...
I assume if you boot to your present PATA HDD with the SATA HDD connected
(in effect connected as a "secondary" HDD at that point) the SATA HDD is
visible in your system and you can access its contents (presuming there is
data on the SATA HDD from the failed disk-cloning operation). Is that
correct?

Yes, all the data came over and it is usable.


There's no reason for you to suspect you may be dealing with a defective
SATA HDD, is there?

The HD seems to be fine




At this point I'm not sure what to make of this. It seems like I'm right
there, just missing something. Maybe if you could suggest other software to
use for the cloning that would be great.

I have the full version of 'Acronis Disk Image' and it leaves a bit to be
desired for copying one disc to another.

I appreciate your input and help, thanks a bunch...

Mike
 
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Anna

(SNIP)

XJHay said:
At this point I'm not sure what to make of this. It seems like I'm right
there, just missing something. Maybe if you could suggest other software
to
use for the cloning that would be great.

I have the full version of 'Acronis Disk Image' and it leaves a bit to be
desired for copying one disc to another.
I'm not completely sold on the Acronis either. If you know of something
else
I could use please let me know.
I appreciate your input and help, thanks a bunch...

Mike


Mike:
I assume you're referring to the "Acronis True Image" program (unless they
have another similar program I'm unfamiliar with).

Assuming it is the ATI program, (I'm assuming it's their latest version 11)
it should work fine as a basic disk-to-disk cloning program (or should you
be interested, also its disk-imaging capability).

Since you're casting about or at least considering another disk-cloning
program, let me offer the following...

The program we greatly prefer as a disk-to-disk cloning program (it does not
have disk-imaging capability) is the Casper 4 program - see
http://www.fssdev.com

It's extremely simple to use even for an inexperienced user, reasonably
quick in operation, and quite effective. There's virtually no learning curve
in undertaking the disk cloning process as one navigates through the few
easy-to-understand screens with a final mouse-click on the button on the
screen which will trigger the disk-cloning process. After undertaking one or
two disk-cloning operations it should take the user no more than 20 seconds
or so to get to that point.

The significant advantage of the Casper 4.0 disk cloning program compared
with other disk cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g., Acronis
True Image or Symantec's Norton Ghost, is its ability to create
*incremental* disk clones following the creation of the original (first)
disk clone. Employing what Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the
program can create subsequent disk clones of the source HDD usually at a
fraction of the time it takes to create a "full" disk clone. This results in
a decided incentive for the user to undertake frequent complete backups of
his or her system knowing that they can create "incremental" disk clones in
a relatively short period of time. Understand that this "incremental disk
clone" is a *complete* clone (copy) of the "source" HDD.

The Casper 4.0 program is also capable of scheduling the disk-cloning
process on a daily, weekly, or other time period selected by the user so
that should you prefer you could arrange for automatic backups at
pre-determined times.

There's a trial version available (see above link) although it's somewhat
crippled but it will give you a good idea as to how the program works. And I
can provide further details about using the program should you be
interested.

The downside to the Casper 4 program as compared with the Acronis and most
other disk-cloning programs is the cost of the program which comes to $49.95
for the program + $9.95 for the "Casper Startup Disk" (the program to create
the bootable CD containing the Casper program). So it's more expensive than
the others. But in our view, well worth the additional cost considering its
overall effectiveness and the fact that one will be using the program many,
many times over the weeks & months ahead. AFAIK, the program is available
only through download from the developer.

Another possible downside to the Casper 4 program (depending upon your
interests) is that it's really not designed to create "generational" copies
of your system. Some users like to maintain complete copies of their system
at various points in time. To that end a disk-imaging program is more
practical since to accomplish that objective using a disk-cloning program
such as Casper 4 the user would obviously need a fair number of HDDs to
serve as the recipients of the clones at these various points in time. But
based on our experience I would say that the vast number of users are
basically interested in only maintaining a current up-to-date copy of their
system and have little or no interest in maintaining "generational" copies
of such. But that may be a consideration for you & others.

Anyway, all of the above is predicated on the basis that you're seeking a
reliable program to backup your *entire* day-to-day booting HDD, including
the XP OS, all your programs & applications, and your user-created data, in
short - everything that's on your "source" HDD. And you want an effective
simple-to-use program to do this on a systematic routine basis and do so
reasonably quickly. To that end we've found this Casper 4.0 program really
fills the bill. So I would suggest you take a look at it.
Anna
 
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XJHay

Anna,

Thank you for all your help! I'll start another thread if I need further
assistance!

Mike
 
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XJHay

sgopus said:
when using Acronis, did you choose the clone disk or the copy disk function?



I have tried both however for this attempt, I was using the CLONE function.

Thank you for your input!
 

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