Clean upgrades of OEM OS installs that lack original media

[Guest]

As you probably know, some computer manufacturers do not sell install disks
or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the hard drive
for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to Vista, are we
limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?

 

[Darrell Gorter[MSFT]]

Hello,
As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup from
with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or upgrade.
You will have to have a partition available to install to.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<As you probably know, some computer manufacturers do not sell install
disks
<or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the hard
drive
<for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to Vista, are
we
<limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<

 

[Guest]

Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32 bit XP
Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a 64 bit
version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit install
program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit install
disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32 bit XP
OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to insert
for verification.

 

[Darrell Gorter[MSFT]]

Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32 bit XP
<Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a 64
bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit install
<disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32 bit
XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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<> disks
<> <or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the hard
<> drive
<> <for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to Vista,
are
<> we
<> <limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<> <
<>
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[Michael D]

Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade procedure
when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option
to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32 bit
XP
<Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a 64
bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit install
<disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32 bit
XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
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<> disks
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<> drive
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are
<> we
<> <limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<> <
<>
<>
<

 

[JW]

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean upgrade
assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP as
long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you will
not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of XP that
is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you can not
upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at the same
time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you are
using upgrade key.

Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade procedure
when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option
to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32 bit
XP
<Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a
64
bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit
install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit install
<disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32
bit
XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
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<> <As you probably know, some computer manufacturers do not sell install
<> disks
<> <or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the hard
<> drive
<> <for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to
Vista,
are
<> we
<> <limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<> <
<>
<>
<

 

[Michael D]

JW wrote,
"Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you are
using upgrade key."

Darrell is say this will no longer be an option, if for whatever reason you
decide you needed a rebuild you will always have to reload XP and then
upgrade to Vista.

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean
upgrade assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP as
long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you will
not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of XP that
is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you can not
upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at the same
time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key.

Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade
procedure when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option
to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32 bit
XP
<Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a
64
bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit
install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit
install
<disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32
bit
XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
<> --------------------
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<> <As you probably know, some computer manufacturers do not sell
install
<> disks
<> <or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the
hard
<> drive
<> <for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to
Vista,
are
<> we
<> <limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<> <
<>
<>
<

 

[John Barnes]

Worse, if you are doing a clean install you have to have a second partition
to install it to. If you do it often, spend the money for the full version
and keep your XP license

JW wrote,
"Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key."

Darrell is say this will no longer be an option, if for whatever reason
you decide you needed a rebuild you will always have to reload XP and then
upgrade to Vista.

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean
upgrade assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP as
long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you will
not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of XP
that is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you can
not upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at the
same time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key.

Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade
procedure when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

message Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no
option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32
bit XP
<Home running on an AMD 64 bit chip. I want to do a clean upgrade to a
64
bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit
install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit
install
<disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32
bit
XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
<> --------------------
<> <Thread-Topic: Clean upgrades of OEM OS installs that lack original
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<> disks
<> <or recovery disks, instead relying on a utility partition on the
hard
<> drive
<> <for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to
Vista,
are
<> we
<> <limited to an inplace uogrades or can we do a clean install?
<> <
<>
<>
<

 

[Gary J. Dikkema]

As in DUAL Boot if to a clean install... correct Darrell?

 

[Gene]

You can do a clean install, with this warning.
~~~~WARNING!~~~~
If you do a complete disk format deleting your partitions, you WILL NOT be
able to do a system restore to XP.
~~~~HOWEVER!~~~
If you are running a Dell, or an HP, there is a solution. they do not come
with Restore disks, but you can create them. My HP took 3 DVDs to create
restore disks, which will restore your partitions and return you to factory
settings. If you are going to install Vista, DO THAT FIRST!

Now, yes, you can do a clean install, removing all your partitions, and
using full disk space.

Option # 2
Fresh install of Vista, not using your restore partition. Your restore
partition stays there, and you can use it at any time you see fit to restore
to XP.

Option #3, Upgrade (I don't reccomend it) it will take all your current
windows files and put them in a file that you will not be able to access and
will take up about 8 to 10 gigs of hard drive space, and like with the clean
install, leaving your restore partition alone, you can restore to XP at any
time.

Hope this helps

 

[JW]

So Darell is saying that with my current DualBoot system with XP on one
partition and Vista on the other that I can not upgrade or replace the
Vista RC2 Beta release in the Vista partition to the RTM release by
inserting my XP CD when asked with an upgrade version of Vista.

JW wrote,
"Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key."

Darrell is say this will no longer be an option, if for whatever reason
you decide you needed a rebuild you will always have to reload XP and then
upgrade to Vista.

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean
upgrade assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP as
long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you will
not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of XP
that is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you can
not upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at the
same time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key.

Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade
procedure when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

message Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no
option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<Thanks, Darrell. That sounds good except that the current OS is 32
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bit
<version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit
install
<program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit
install
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XP
<OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
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Vista,
are
<> we
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<>
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<

 

[John Barnes]

Yes, but you can boot into your XP system and do a clean install of the
upgrade version to the RC2 partition (after formatting it and assuming it is
the same 86 or 64 version). Retail full versions have no restriction and
can be installed anywhere you choose.

So Darell is saying that with my current DualBoot system with XP on one
partition and Vista on the other that I can not upgrade or replace the
Vista RC2 Beta release in the Vista partition to the RTM release by
inserting my XP CD when asked with an upgrade version of Vista.

JW wrote,
"Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key."

Darrell is say this will no longer be an option, if for whatever reason
you decide you needed a rebuild you will always have to reload XP and
then upgrade to Vista.

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean
upgrade assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP as
long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you
will not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of
XP that is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you
can not upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at
the same time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key.
Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade
procedure when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

message Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no
option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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insert
<for verification.
<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start
setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
<> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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are
<> we
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<>
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[Guest]

Thanks, Gene. I don't really care too much about restoring my current XP
install. I plan to make and store elsewhere a bitstream image of the disk
that I can put back on via the Linux DD command. My real concerns are that
1) I want to upgrade 32 bit XP to 64 bit Vista and I'm told that the 64 bit
Vista install will not run from inside 32 bit XP. I also want to avoid the 8
to 10 gigs of garbage left by an inplace upgrade. 2) I'd like to use the
upgrade version of Vista as I am replacing my old XP install and I don't
think I should have to pay an extra $100 bucks or more for a full install
version. 3) From what I'm hearing, it is not possible to use the upgrade
version to do a clean install without having any install media from the old
system being updated.

 

[JW]

Thats good news but not the answer I had hoped for.

Yes, but you can boot into your XP system and do a clean install of the
upgrade version to the RC2 partition (after formatting it and assuming it
is the same 86 or 64 version). Retail full versions have no restriction
and can be installed anywhere you choose.

So Darell is saying that with my current DualBoot system with XP on one
partition and Vista on the other that I can not upgrade or replace the
Vista RC2 Beta release in the Vista partition to the RTM release by
inserting my XP CD when asked with an upgrade version of Vista.

JW wrote,
"Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition
direct
from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD since you
are using upgrade key."

Darrell is say this will no longer be an option, if for whatever reason
you decide you needed a rebuild you will always have to reload XP and
then upgrade to Vista.

I think there is a little confusion here on what you mean by a clean
upgrade assuming that you have an upgrade key for Vista.
You can perform an upgrade by running the upgrade from an existing XP
as long as what you are doing is upgrading that copy of XP to Vista you
will not need to supply your XP CD since you are running in the copy of
XP that is using it if your are using a Vista upgrade key. AFAIK you
can not upgrade and install it in a newly formatted other partition at
the same time.
Or you can perform a clien install into newly formatted partition
direct from the DVD in which case you will have to supply your XP CD
since you are using upgrade key.
Darrell, can you explain the reason for the changing the upgrade
procedure when the only thing it does is add time to a rebuild.

message Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no
option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<
<""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<
<> Hello,
<> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start
setup
from
<> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install
or
upgrade.
<> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<>
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<> <for recovery. When upgrading one of these computers from XP to
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[Darrell Gorter[MSFT]]

Hello Michael,
Sorry I don't why the change was made.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<<> Hello,
<> There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option
<> to
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<> Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
<> Thanks,
<> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
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64
<> bit
<> <version of XP and I've been hearing that you can't run the 64 bit
install
<> <program from within the 32 bit OS. Could I boot with the 64 bit install
<> <disk,format the drive and just type in the product key from my old 32
bit
<> XP
<> <OS? Averatec doesn't sell install media, so I don't have a disk to
<> insert
<> <for verification.
<> <
<> <""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" wrote:
<> <
<> <> Hello,
<> <> As long as the previous OS is already installed, you can start setup
<> from
<> <> with-in the existing OS, and then choose to either clean install or
<> upgrade.
<> <> You will have to have a partition available to install to.
<> <> Thanks,
<> <> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
<> <>
<> <> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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[David Wilkinson]

Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no option to
insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,

Darrell:

I am an MVP, and I try to maintain a positive attitude, but taking off
your Microsoft hat for a moment, don't you think that these new rules
have made upgrade versions an extremely bad proposition?

The initially announced new terms of the full Vista retail license (only
one change of hardware) created such a level of protest that it was
modified to allow unlimited transfer to new machines (like XP). I am
really surprised that this change in the upgrade rules has not created
the same level of protest.

David Wilkinson

 

[John Barnes]

I am an MVP also, and I too am surprised about the lack of outrage about the
new requirements. I think it will raise to a din when the upgrades go
public. It is hard to tell what percentage of upgraders during the pre-RTM
perion were successful. Those consumers that can successfully upgrade their
XP version will not care. Those of us who either prefer to clean install or
who are forced into it due to a failed upgrade are going to be screaming
when we have to install to another partition and those who don't want to
dual boot are going to have to go thru contortions to get the os and the
boot files unscrambled and set up the way most consumers want theirs (C as
system and Vista drive) usually no other partitions unless they have a
recovery partiton.
I assume that having to do the upgrade from an installed and probably
activated qualifying os is being done to cut down on the passing around of
the qualifying CD and using it to install multiple upgrade copies. I really
wonder if the public relations nightmare and the cost of the service calls
they are going to have to field when customers can't get thru the upgrade
quagmire will compensate for the extra revenue from full versions (which is
shared with the retailer, and can't amount to that much). Hope their help
desk is well staffed or that they have an extraordinarily good manual to
explain the process.

 

[JW]

I agree with you there have to be a lot of users who only have one HDD with
one Partition on it and they are going to want to completly reformat their
drive and install the new OS from scratch.
Also what will happen if you do do an upgrade from the downlevel OS and
later find that you have to reinstall from scratch due to a disk crash or
due to some other problem?

 

[Kerry Brown]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the process but from what I have read in this
thread and elsewhere you can do a clean install from an upgrade. The upgrade
has to be started from a working, eligible OS but during the upgrade you can
erase this OS and do a clean install. I agree that previously not having to
start the install from an eligible OS was very nice if you were doing a
re-install from an upgrade disk at a future date. For the original install
as long as you can erase the old OS during the install I don't see that much
of a problem.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[John Barnes]

Kerry,
This is the post that led me to my post

Hello John,
I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot and
system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
remove the temp files out from under setup.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the process but from what I have read in this
thread and elsewhere you can do a clean install from an upgrade. The
upgrade has to be started from a working, eligible OS but during the
upgrade you can erase this OS and do a clean install. I agree that
previously not having to start the install from an eligible OS was very
nice if you were doing a re-install from an upgrade disk at a future date.
For the original install as long as you can erase the old OS during the
install I don't see that much of a problem.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca

I am an MVP also, and I too am surprised about the lack of outrage
about the new requirements. I think it will raise to a din when the
upgrades go public. It is hard to tell what percentage of upgraders
during the pre-RTM perion were successful. Those consumers that can
successfully upgrade their XP version will not care. Those of us who
either prefer to clean install or who are forced into it due to a
failed upgrade are going to be screaming when we have to install to
another partition and those who don't want to dual boot are going to
have to go thru contortions to get the os and the boot files
unscrambled and set up the way most consumers want theirs (C as
system and Vista drive) usually no other partitions unless they have
a recovery partiton. I assume that having to do the upgrade from an
installed and probably
activated qualifying os is being done to cut down on the passing
around of the qualifying CD and using it to install multiple upgrade
copies. I really wonder if the public relations nightmare and the
cost of the service calls they are going to have to field when
customers can't get thru the upgrade quagmire will compensate for the
extra revenue from full versions (which is shared with the retailer,
and can't amount to that much). Hope their help desk is well staffed
or that they have an extraordinarily good manual to explain the
process.

Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
Hello,
There is no option to insert a DVD for verification. There is no
option to insert a product key.
Setup has to start from with-in the downlevel OS.
Thanks,

Darrell:

I am an MVP, and I try to maintain a positive attitude, but taking
off your Microsoft hat for a moment, don't you think that these new
rules have made upgrade versions an extremely bad proposition?

The initially announced new terms of the full Vista retail license
(only one change of hardware) created such a level of protest that
it was modified to allow unlimited transfer to new machines (like
XP). I am really surprised that this change in the upgrade rules has
not created the same level of protest.

David Wilkinson