Censorship

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Is it my imagination or have all posts and replies involving Imhotep
disappeared? He is a troll, most of his posts are very annoying. but I don't
see any reason to censor them. Occasionally he gives good advice. Those
posts are missing as well. Anyone not agreeing with him has the option of
not reading his posts.
 
Kerry said:
Is it my imagination or have all posts and replies involving Imhotep
disappeared? He is a troll, most of his posts are very annoying. but
I don't see any reason to censor them. Occasionally he gives good
advice. Those posts are missing as well. Anyone not agreeing with him
has the option of not reading his posts.

OK - must have been a glitch on my system. I refreshed the newsgroups and
the posts are back.
 
Kerry said:
Kerry Brown wrote:

OK - must have been a glitch on my system. I refreshed the newsgroups
and the posts are back.

As near as I can tell, there has been very little (if any) censorship
since the mass killfiling of early May.

I read and post from news.individual.net, but I also check
msnews.microsoft.com periodically to see who (or what) is missing (most
especially--having myself experienced the global killfile--me). :)

For all that I am critical about Microsoft for some things, whoever is
running the msnews server apparently understands that usenet is not
about choking the life out of dissent, regardless of the rules Microsoft
imposes on the web-based forum. He deserves a lot of credit for that,
IMO.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Rhonda said:
As near as I can tell, there has been very little (if any) censorship
since the mass killfiling of early May.

I read and post from news.individual.net, but I also check
msnews.microsoft.com periodically to see who (or what) is missing (most
especially--having myself experienced the global killfile--me). :)

For all that I am critical about Microsoft for some things, whoever is
running the msnews server apparently understands that usenet is not
about choking the life out of dissent, regardless of the rules Microsoft
imposes on the web-based forum. He deserves a lot of credit for that,
IMO.

rl

My posts were censored last week. Then I was blocked. I had to change my
email address to post again. The person, he or she, that does this does
not deserve any credit, IMO.

Alias
 
Alias said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
My posts were censored last week. Then I was blocked. I had to change
my email address to post again. The person, he or she, that does this
does not deserve any credit, IMO.

Which ones? What for?

I usually check your posts when I check my posts, and I hadn't noticed
that you'd been killed.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <[email protected]>


|
| As near as I can tell, there has been very little (if any) censorship
| since the mass killfiling of early May.
|
| I read and post from news.individual.net, but I also check
| msnews.microsoft.com periodically to see who (or what) is missing (most
| especially--having myself experienced the global killfile--me). :)
|
| For all that I am critical about Microsoft for some things, whoever is
| running the msnews server apparently understands that usenet is not
| about choking the life out of dissent, regardless of the rules Microsoft
| imposes on the web-based forum. He deserves a lot of credit for that,
| IMO.
|
| rl

The MS News Server Admin. (Mr. D. H.) does indeed inded enforce Microsoft's news posting
filter which will auto-block certain content (i.e, R. L. G-r-o-s-s-i spam and post by
P-C-B-U-T-T-S-1) If a MVP (or other) identifies objectionable of some Off Topic subject
matter the MS News Server admin. will summarily delete the posts at Microsoft's discretion.
Not that is ONLY on the MS News Server and if replicated to the rest of Usenet then the
posts will be available on peering servers.

While Imhotep is obviously anti-microsoft OS biased, he DOES have a strong understanding of
INFOSEC and COMSEC and his POV while taineted, is valid and I have yet to see his posts
summarily deleted or filtered.
 
David said:
From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk"

The MS News Server Admin. (Mr. D. H.) does indeed inded enforce
Microsoft's news posting filter which will auto-block certain content
(i.e, R. L. G-r-o-s-s-i spam and post by P-C-B-U-T-T-S-1) If a MVP
(or other) identifies objectionable of some Off Topic subject matter
the MS News Server admin. will summarily delete the posts at
Microsoft's discretion. Not that is ONLY on the MS News Server and if
replicated to the rest of Usenet then the posts will be available on
peering servers.

I don't know who the first person is, but I'm all for seeing pc removed
from the face of usenet.

I guess that means I support censorship. Oh well. Bad me. But he's an
overall blight, and I just can't make myself cry over his loss of
"rights."

More seriously, however, after my little vacation in the bozo bin, I've
been paying attention to the more obvious "culprits." I've not been
binned even for using a naughty word, although MS did miss the "Sharon
Frank" post (which I replied to) that was really pc taking another low
one at Leythos (and you--he posted that stupid webpage again).

Back when I was still in the killfile, I tried making a couple of posts
from msnews, and even though I was killed there, the posts still made it
out to the rest of usenet. I haven't seen anything from Alias on my
server that I haven't seen on Microsoft's server, so now I'm just
confused.
While Imhotep is obviously anti-microsoft OS biased, he DOES have a
strong understanding of INFOSEC and COMSEC and his POV while
taineted, is valid and I have yet to see his posts summarily deleted
or filtered.

There are several others who are anti-MS, and they're not being binned
either. And again, that makes me wonder why Alias keeps getting nailed.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
David said:
The MS News Server Admin. (Mr. D. H.) does indeed inded enforce
Microsoft's news posting filter which will auto-block certain content
(i.e, R. L. G-r-o-s-s-i spam and post by P-C-B-U-T-T-S-1) If a MVP
(or other) identifies objectionable of some Off Topic subject matter
the MS News Server admin. will summarily delete the posts at
Microsoft's discretion. Not that is ONLY on the MS News Server and if
replicated to the rest of Usenet then the posts will be available on
peering servers.

While Imhotep is obviously anti-microsoft OS biased, he DOES have a
strong understanding of INFOSEC and COMSEC and his POV while
taineted, is valid and I have yet to see his posts summarily deleted
or filtered.

There was no censorship. It was a glitch on my end. I was missing a bunch of
posts in OE and assumed they had been censored. Reseting the newsgroups in
question and re-downloading the headers fixed it.
 
From: "Kerry Brown" <[email protected]*a*m>


| There was no censorship. It was a glitch on my end. I was missing a bunch of
| posts in OE and assumed they had been censored. Reseting the newsgroups in
| question and re-downloading the headers fixed it.
|

Sh!t happens :-)
 
Rhonda said:
Which ones? What for?

I usually check your posts when I check my posts, and I hadn't noticed
that you'd been killed.

rl

You didn't see them because they weren't allowed to be posted. NB: I am
using msnews.microsoft.com as a news server to post here.

Alias
 
Alias said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
You didn't see them because they weren't allowed to be posted. NB: I
am using msnews.microsoft.com as a news server to post here.

Even when you're killfiled, the posts propagate. Or at least, those I
made from the msnews server did when I made some test posts.

What dates? I just reset that server and going back to June 1, there are
several posts a day from you with no days missing. I counted about 90
from June 1 to June 6, and then it occurred to me this might not be the
best topic, so I figured I'd wait to hear your thoughts on that.

Counting posts makes my eyes cross.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Rhonda said:
Even when you're killfiled, the posts propagate. Or at least, those I
made from the msnews server did when I made some test posts.

What dates? I just reset that server and going back to June 1, there are
several posts a day from you with no days missing. I counted about 90
from June 1 to June 6, and then it occurred to me this might not be the
best topic, so I figured I'd wait to hear your thoughts on that.

I don't remember what dates.
Counting posts makes my eyes cross.

I can imagine :-)

Alias
 
Hi Alias,

What did you get into to get censored again? I thought we got the block
straightened out last month when Mike M worked so diligently tracing down
the problem and got the block lifted.

I almost put a <G> after the first sentence, but there is nothing funny
about it when you are on the receiving end of blatant censorship.


--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone-
 
How very odd.

This post is on the MS server, but it as of this moment, it has not made
it to the Berlin server.
From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <[email protected]>
During the first half of 2005 there was the self proclaimed Internet
Evangelist, Reverand "R.o.n.a.l.d L. G.r.o.s.s.i" who posted,
enmasse, 10's of thousand of Chritian based spam such as...

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....onald+l.+grossi&rnum=5&hl=en#3eca7767833d374d

It looks like the bots got most of them, unless he used more than one
address. But he certainly didn't understand the difference between the
subject line and the body of the message.
I can provide you *much* information on this spammer but it would
have to be OffLine (just remove ~nospam~ from my posting address).

Net loon? Never mind, I'll send you an email, but really, that address I
use is a working address. Just so you know.
The "other" individual referenced is a blackhat playing the role of a
white hat. He is a LMIT contractor and holds a very responsible
position with NASA but acts in an awfully unethical manner.

Well, then, maybe I'll send him an email. You know, just to say hi. :)

But the truth is, a lot of those guys--especially the ones who hang on
the net--are insane. I have friends who work there--all the various
"theres"--who are somewhat nuts, but not frighteningly so. The cretin,
on the other hand....I dunno. I would hate to see what he might do if
cornered.
He fought with the MS employee Mr. Mike Brannigan and he was
subsequently banned. (albeit he constantly lies about this fact).

He lies about everything.
The then News Server Admin. Mr. John Eddy created the News Server
filter. The present News Server admin (Mr. D. H.) continues its
enforcement.

I wrote to the latter gentleman this evening with a link to the Sharon
Franks posts.
His antics, theft of intellectual property, plagiarism
and other noteworthy accomplishments don't go un-noticed. Leythos,
while sometime TOO argumentative, has made sure newbies and others
are aware of this person.

I know, and I think it's a valuable service that he performs with regard
to this cretin.
Earlier this year I had a situation where a URL I posted was in the
filter and thus my posts were deleted. I discussed this problem with
the News Server Admin. and the filter was fixed. Sometimes I think
the filter is too "fuzzy" and catches more then what was initially
intended.

Well, I'm not going to say any more about the May killfiling, although I
saw one MVP get erased, along with all the rest (including me--and I owe
an eternal debt of gratitude to he who rescued me from the bin).
Collateral damage, I suppose.

It just didn't look good that Microsoft was deleting criticism. As Bill
Gates said, "Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of
learning."

But since then, even with all the uproar over WGA, I haven't seen any
deletions with my own two eyes. It's weird, though, that Alias got
nailed yet again.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Larry said:
Hi Alias,

What did you get into to get censored again?

I have no idea. When they block my email address, that means they don't
even read it first. Whoever did it didn't deem it necessary to explain
why they did it.

I thought we got the block
straightened out last month when Mike M worked so diligently tracing down
the problem and got the block lifted.

So did I, but aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org is blocked.
I almost put a <G> after the first sentence, but there is nothing funny
about it when you are on the receiving end of blatant censorship.

I guess they don't like people bad mouthing their new spyware, aka, WGA.
Heaven forbid that paying customers should complain! It's not like I am
posting direct links to programs like PCButts1 does.

Alias
 
Yep, you can't make an MVP appear "incorrect" and so forth. He/she makes
sure such a response goes away. Not always, but this sometimes happens.
Not talking about language, or personally attacking the MVP, just the reply
in response to such incorrect or misleading information. The "green" MVPs
are more likely to receive such and respond in such a manner.
 
Jonny said:
Yep, you can't make an MVP appear "incorrect" and so forth. He/she
makes sure such a response goes away. Not always, but this sometimes
happens. Not talking about language, or personally attacking the MVP,
just the reply in response to such incorrect or misleading
information. The "green" MVPs are more likely to receive such and
respond in such a manner.

Bullshirtz and horsepucky!!
 
Jonny said:
Yep, you can't make an MVP appear "incorrect" and so forth. He/she
makes sure such a response goes away. Not always, but this sometimes
happens. Not talking about language, or personally attacking the MVP,
just the reply in response to such incorrect or misleading
information. The "green" MVPs are more likely to receive such and
respond in such a manner.

As a "green" MVP I have to say I agree 100% with not me's post. I can look
after my own mistakes thank you very much. I don't need or even know of
anyone to contact to have posts removed. If I'm incorrect tell me. I'll
either argue the point or apologise depending on if I still believe I'm
right or not after you tell me why I'm wrong.
 
That's non-sense. I've been doing this for years. People argue with me and
tell me I'm wrong in very un-nice ways from time and no message has ever
"wnet away".
 
Bullsh*t. If a mvp were caught trying to abuse their privileges that way
they would be removed from the program immediately.
MVPs can request removal of posts for legitimate reason, but removal is not
automatic. Each request is reviewed and handled by the server admin. John
Eddy always erred on the side of free speech if the removal was
questionable. I am sure Doug handles the requests the same way.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone-
 
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