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Margo
Is there a way to create a non-breaking en dash (such as
the non-breaking hyphen)?
the non-breaking hyphen)?
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Characters themselves do not have the charateristic of
determining non-breaking spaces. You can of course insert
a non-breaking space before or after the hyphen, en, or em-
dash, which should net you the same result. Ctrl + Shift +
Spacebar.
jesse
determining non-breaking spaces. You can of course insert
a non-breaking space before or after the hyphen, en, or em-
dash, which should net you the same result. Ctrl + Shift +
Spacebar.
jesse
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
I wish! This is something I've been begging MS for for quite some time. I
usually end up either recasting the text or inserting a line break to get
the break where I want it (not at the en dash). One workaround is to use a
minus sign (character 2212, in the Mathematical Operators character subset)
instead of an en dash. It's about the same width and weight and is
inherently nonbreaking.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
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usually end up either recasting the text or inserting a line break to get
the break where I want it (not at the en dash). One workaround is to use a
minus sign (character 2212, in the Mathematical Operators character subset)
instead of an en dash. It's about the same width and weight and is
inherently nonbreaking.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
B
Bob S
Is there a way to create a non-breaking en dash (such as
the non-breaking hyphen)?
You could probably do it by putting a zero-width-non-breaking-space
character before and after the en dash. It should be at U+FFFF
Bob S
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Klaus Linke
Is there a way to create a non-breaking en dash (such as
Would be nice if U+FEFF worked that way; but it doesn't seem to
(Word2002/2003).
Greetings,
Klaus
Bob S said:You could probably do it by putting a zero-width-non-breaking-space
character before and after the en dash. It should be at U+FFFF
Would be nice if U+FEFF worked that way; but it doesn't seem to
(Word2002/2003).
Greetings,
Klaus
G
gordo
In Word 2002, On the Menu bar: Insert|Symbol, Special Characters Tab,
No-Width Non Break (the last entry)
Gordo
No-Width Non Break (the last entry)
Gordo
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Judy Freed
Also Control+Shift+Hyphen
Judy Freed
Judy Freed
gordo said:In Word 2002, On the Menu bar: Insert|Symbol, Special Characters Tab,
No-Width Non Break (the last entry)
Gordo
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
A hyphen is not an en dash.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
K
Klaus Linke
You could probably do it by putting a zero-width-non-breaking-space
That inserts the wrong character, the "zero width joiner" U+200D.
Haven't tested if it can be used to keep characters or word together on a
line.
It didn't use to work in Word2000, as far as I remember.
And probably, U+200D would be the wrong character for the job anyway (... it
should create ligatures between two characters, as far as I can make out
from the description in the Unicode Standard).
Regards,
Klaus
gordo said:In Word 2002, On the Menu bar: Insert|Symbol, Special Characters Tab,
No-Width Non Break (the last entry)
Gordo
That inserts the wrong character, the "zero width joiner" U+200D.
Haven't tested if it can be used to keep characters or word together on a
line.
It didn't use to work in Word2000, as far as I remember.
And probably, U+200D would be the wrong character for the job anyway (... it
should create ligatures between two characters, as far as I can make out
from the description in the Unicode Standard).
Regards,
Klaus
B
Bob S
That inserts the wrong character, the "zero width joiner" U+200D.
Haven't tested if it can be used to keep characters or word together on a
line.
It didn't use to work in Word2000, as far as I remember.
And probably, U+200D would be the wrong character for the job anyway (... it
should create ligatures between two characters, as far as I can make out
from the description in the Unicode Standard).
Regards,
Klaus
If I understand the Unicode documents correctly, U+FFFF has been
withdrawn from use in Unicode 3.0.1, and reserved for internal use
only! It is on the slippery slope toward deprecation. So apparently
there is no more zero width non-breaking space in Unicode.
U+200D seems to be originally intended to "encourage" the renderer to
produce cursive connection letter forms (for Arabic for example) or
ligatures in places where they might otherwise not occur, while
occupying no space on the line. Given that Word doesn't do anything
about ligatures, using this code point to prevent line breaks doesn't
seem too unreasonable, particularly given the absence of alternatives.
It seems to work in Word 2002, I don't know about earlier versions.
Bob S
K
Klaus Linke
Hi Bob,
U+FEFF is being deprecated, since it's main use is as a byte order mark. The
Unicode standard says that applications should continue to treat it as a
zero-width no break space.
In version 4, the preferred character for this use is U+2060 (word joiner).
And if there wasn't an alternative, MS would be free to use any "private
use" character for the purpose.
MS always has confused those characters, long before U+FEFF was deprecated.
And I haven't seen any progress in Word97/2000/2002/2003 beyond Unicode
version 2 yet.
I would think that a terrible idea, and don't think MS messed this up on
purpose.
Especially since they confused the zero-width space U+200B and the
zero-width non-joiner U+200C in just the same way.
U+200D doesn't seem to keep words together either in my German Word 2000 and
2002, nor in my English Word2003.
U+FEFF does work in all three versions. U+2060 isn't supported at all (not
surprising, since it's new in Unicode 4).
If I insert U+200D at any hyphenation point, Word just keeps on breaking the
line at that point.
Greetings,
Klaus
If I understand the Unicode documents correctly, U+FFFF has been
withdrawn from use in Unicode 3.0.1, and reserved for internal use
only! It is on the slippery slope toward deprecation. So apparently
there is no more zero width non-breaking space in Unicode.
U+FEFF is being deprecated, since it's main use is as a byte order mark. The
Unicode standard says that applications should continue to treat it as a
zero-width no break space.
In version 4, the preferred character for this use is U+2060 (word joiner).
And if there wasn't an alternative, MS would be free to use any "private
use" character for the purpose.
MS always has confused those characters, long before U+FEFF was deprecated.
And I haven't seen any progress in Word97/2000/2002/2003 beyond Unicode
version 2 yet.
U+200D seems to be originally intended to "encourage" the renderer
to produce cursive connection letter forms (for Arabic for example) or
ligatures in places where they might otherwise not occur, while
occupying no space on the line. Given that Word doesn't do anything
about ligatures, using this code point to prevent line breaks doesn't
seem too unreasonable, particularly given the absence of alternatives.
I would think that a terrible idea, and don't think MS messed this up on
purpose.
Especially since they confused the zero-width space U+200B and the
zero-width non-joiner U+200C in just the same way.
It seems to work in Word 2002, I don't know about earlier versions.
U+200D doesn't seem to keep words together either in my German Word 2000 and
2002, nor in my English Word2003.
U+FEFF does work in all three versions. U+2060 isn't supported at all (not
surprising, since it's new in Unicode 4).
If I insert U+200D at any hyphenation point, Word just keeps on breaking the
line at that point.
Greetings,
Klaus
B
Bob S
U+200D doesn't seem to keep words together either in my German Word 2000 and
2002, nor in my English Word2003.
U+FEFF does work in all three versions. U+2060 isn't supported at all (not
surprising, since it's new in Unicode 4).
If I insert U+200D at any hyphenation point, Word just keeps on breaking the
line at that point.
On my English Word 2002, U+200D and U+FEFF seem to work exactly the
same. They work between ordinary letters, and when surrounding a
non-breaking hyphen, but they don't work when surrounding ordinary
hyphens or dahses.
Bob S
K
Klaus Linke
Bob S said:On my English Word 2002, U+200D and U+FEFF seem to work exactly
the same. They work between ordinary letters, and when surrounding a
non-breaking hyphen, but they don't work when surrounding ordinary
hyphens or dahses.
Hi Bob,
Can't quite follow you. Word doesn't break after non-breaking hyphens
anyway, so what difference should U+200D or U+FEFF make?
It always allows line breaks after ordinary hyphens or dashes. Neither
U+200D nor U+FEFF can prevent that.
Greetings,
Klaus
B
Bob S
Hi Bob,
Can't quite follow you. Word doesn't break after non-breaking hyphens
anyway, so what difference should U+200D or U+FEFF make?
Hopefully none, but after seeing it fail with ordinary dashes I
figured it was worth trying.
It always allows line breaks after ordinary hyphens or dashes. Neither
U+200D nor U+FEFF can prevent that.
So it seems, too bad.
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