calculating time remaining

[Guest]

So, Is Microsoft going to fix this. The so called "HOTFIX" is not working. So
many people with many questions. Any ideas as to when an answer will come
from the Microsoft side. Hello is Microsoft there????

 

[Richard Urban]

I have used many different programs over the years that had their own "time
remaining"calculation. All of them are an estimate - at best. The only true
timing mode is time consumed. That is an absolute.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[Adam Albright]

I have used many different programs over the years that had their own "time
remaining"calculation. All of them are an estimate - at best. The only true
timing mode is time consumed. That is an absolute.

Damn Richie you keep showing us what a total doofus you always are.
The point that zooms far over your head this time is Vista doesn't
have a clue how much time IS remaining and can wildly fluctuate from
the progress bar just sitting there showing no progress for 30 seconds
or more, then in the last half a second zoom all the way from left to
right, PROVING it didn't have a clue. Or it goes up and down like a
damn yo-yo. The point... are you ready? As it is now the calculating
time dialog window is both utterly useless and points to the fact the
process when run through the GUI is way, way too slow indicating under
SOME situations on SOME systems SOMETHING isn't working as it should
hotfix applied or not.

I'll whisper so you fellow fanboys won't hear. It's called a BUG.
Microsoft has admitted it. Tens of thousands of people have reported
seeing it in one form or another. Yet complete morons like Frank, the
resident Village Idiot is still in denial and calls it user error.

You got to be a special kind of fool to be a fanboy.

Thanks for reconfirming that.

As far as being accurate, for years when writing all Flash sites I've
used various forms of graphical progress bars to indicate how long it
will take to download something. These are actually quite accurate,
reflect reality and never ever go up and down in estimating time
remaining. Why not? Oh I guess because Action Script which they're
written in is smarter than the boys of Redmond that keep proving they
really don't know what they're doing. Calculating elapse time or time
remaining isn't rocket science. That Microsoft has NEVER been able to
get it close to accurate in Windows Explorer isn't surprising. Not to
me anyway.

 

[Guest]

Xp didnt take time to delete a file, even a small file at that, Vista take
alot longer. Agree or disagree. Time consumed?? The time consumed by all
these people writing to find a fix that an abvious hotfix didnt. TIME
CONSUMED....think about that. Why do I takr the time to ask such a
question??? All I would like is the delete key to delete a file, large or
smal lwithout freezing or stopping other tasks.

 

[Adam The Zombie Albright]

Adam Albright wrote:

<snipped>

<Do you wake up everyday and take a couple of bull$hit and bashing pills
to get you damn mind right? Albright, you are pathetic lunatic.>

 

[Richard Urban]

Yes, there is a problem. But even when the problem is solved - time
remaining is just going to be an estimate, depending upon many things that
occur in the background on the computer. To look as time remaining as an
absolute is just going to cause you heartburn.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[Adam Albright]

Yes, there is a problem. But even when the problem is solved - time
remaining is just going to be an estimate, depending upon many things that
occur in the background on the computer. To look as time remaining as an
absolute is just going to cause you heartburn.

The point is the estimate should at least be close. It often isn't.
Many times I can be moving a large block of files and the time
remaining gets down to maybe 30 seconds then it either sits there for
seconds or goes back up to 45 seconds or higher, then falls back to 15
seconds, then back up to 30 seconds. There's no reason for that if the
routine that is doing the calculation was written correctly.

Just taking a stab why, it seems Vista is Mickey Mousing around with
DMA and ownership and permission issues besides, which might be the
cause of the hang up.

 

[ceed]

Adam Albright wrote:

|On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:32:18 -0400, "Richard Urban"
|
||I have used many different programs over the years that had their
||own "time remaining"calculation. All of them are an estimate - at
||best. The only true timing mode is time consumed. That is an
||absolute.
|
|Damn Richie you keep showing us what a total doofus you always are.
|The point that zooms far over your head this time is Vista doesn't
|have a clue how much time IS remaining and can wildly fluctuate from
|the progress bar just sitting there showing no progress for 30 seconds
|or more, then in the last half a second zoom all the way from left to
|right, PROVING it didn't have a clue. Or it goes up and down like a
|damn yo-yo. The point... are you ready? As it is now the calculating
|time dialog window is both utterly useless and points to the fact the
|process when run through the GUI is way, way too slow indicating under
|SOME situations on SOME systems SOMETHING isn't working as it should
|hotfix applied or not.
|
|I'll whisper so you fellow fanboys won't hear. It's called a BUG.
|Microsoft has admitted it. Tens of thousands of people have reported
|seeing it in one form or another. Yet complete morons like Frank, the
|resident Village Idiot is still in denial and calls it user error.
|
|You got to be a special kind of fool to be a fanboy.
|
|Thanks for reconfirming that.
|
|As far as being accurate, for years when writing all Flash sites I've
|used various forms of graphical progress bars to indicate how long it
|will take to download something. These are actually quite accurate,
|reflect reality and never ever go up and down in estimating time
|remaining. Why not? Oh I guess because Action Script which they're
|written in is smarter than the boys of Redmond that keep proving they
|really don't know what they're doing. Calculating elapse time or time
|remaining isn't rocket science. That Microsoft has NEVER been able to
|get it close to accurate in Windows Explorer isn't surprising. Not to
|me anyway.

I stay away for a while and come back and you are still doing the same
thing: Same words, same set opinions, yawn.....I'll check back in a
month or so to see if you are able to either have gotten tired of it or
reinvent yourself. If only your trolling was fun to read, but it's not.

 

[Adam Albright]

Adam Albright wrote:

|On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:32:18 -0400, "Richard Urban"
|
||I have used many different programs over the years that had their
||own "time remaining"calculation. All of them are an estimate - at
||best. The only true timing mode is time consumed. That is an
||absolute.
|
|Damn Richie you keep showing us what a total doofus you always are.
|The point that zooms far over your head this time is Vista doesn't
|have a clue how much time IS remaining and can wildly fluctuate from
|the progress bar just sitting there showing no progress for 30 seconds
|or more, then in the last half a second zoom all the way from left to
|right, PROVING it didn't have a clue. Or it goes up and down like a
|damn yo-yo. The point... are you ready? As it is now the calculating
|time dialog window is both utterly useless and points to the fact the
|process when run through the GUI is way, way too slow indicating under
|SOME situations on SOME systems SOMETHING isn't working as it should
|hotfix applied or not.
|
|I'll whisper so you fellow fanboys won't hear. It's called a BUG.
|Microsoft has admitted it. Tens of thousands of people have reported
|seeing it in one form or another. Yet complete morons like Frank, the
|resident Village Idiot is still in denial and calls it user error.
|
|You got to be a special kind of fool to be a fanboy.
|
|Thanks for reconfirming that.
|
|As far as being accurate, for years when writing all Flash sites I've
|used various forms of graphical progress bars to indicate how long it
|will take to download something. These are actually quite accurate,
|reflect reality and never ever go up and down in estimating time
|remaining. Why not? Oh I guess because Action Script which they're
|written in is smarter than the boys of Redmond that keep proving they
|really don't know what they're doing. Calculating elapse time or time
|remaining isn't rocket science. That Microsoft has NEVER been able to
|get it close to accurate in Windows Explorer isn't surprising. Not to
|me anyway.

I stay away for a while and come back and you are still doing the same
thing: Same words, same set opinions, yawn.....I'll check back in a
month or so to see if you are able to either have gotten tired of it or
reinvent yourself. If only your trolling was fun to read, but it's not.

So you're admitting you're an idiot, you keep reading posters you
don't like or agree with, yet can't stop doing it. You know you can
get treatment for your obsession.

 

[Frank]

So you're admitting you're an idiot, you keep reading posters you
don't like or agree with, yet can't stop doing it. You know you can
get treatment for your obsession.

Now that is something (treatment) you need to seriously consider mr prius.
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Now that is something (treatment) you need to seriously consider mr prius.
Frank

Again, Frankie Numbnuts shows why he's crazy. Hint: You're projecting
again. If you don't like what somebody has to say why are you chasing
them around the newsgroup snapping at their heels day after day?

Now watch Frank the idiot say he doesn't.

 

[Frank]

Again, Frankie Numbnuts shows why he's crazy. Hint: You're projecting
again. If you don't like what somebody has to say why are you chasing
them around the newsgroup snapping at their heels day after day?

Now watch Frank the idiot say he doesn't.

Get some help mr prius.
In your case, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of and it's
obvious to all that you're suffering from mental illness.
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Get some help mr prius.
In your case, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of and it's
obvious to all that you're suffering from mental illness.
Frank

Right on cue, Frank comes running just like I said. You give new
meaning to the word clown.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[dennis@home]

Again, Frankie Numbnuts shows why he's crazy. Hint: You're projecting
again. If you don't like what somebody has to say why are you chasing
them around the newsgroup snapping at their heels day after day?

Adam, has it occurred to you that what Frank says about you is true.
The fact that you think he is projecting doesn't mean it isn't true.
We know you are crazy so anything you say is at best unreliable.

 

[Richard Urban]

Example: Try using Acronis TrueImage. See the time remaining start at 1 1/2
hours. Yet the backup finishes in about 5-7 minutes.

Time remaining indicators are NOT an absolute - no mater what you may think.
And this goes back to Windows 3.11 and DOS.



--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[Adam Albright]

Example: Try using Acronis TrueImage. See the time remaining start at 1 1/2
hours. Yet the backup finishes in about 5-7 minutes.

Time remaining indicators are NOT an absolute - no mater what you may think.
And this goes back to Windows 3.11 and DOS.

Again the old fanboy trick... make up some goofy fallacy and pretend
the other guy subscribes to it so you can try to prove him wrong.

I never said time remaining indicators are or need to be absolute,
what I DID say is copying/moving files in Windows through Explorer
never has come close and they've always been all over the map
typically going up and down as the job nears completion.

 

[Michael Palumbo]

Again the old fanboy trick... make up some goofy fallacy and pretend
the other guy subscribes to it so you can try to prove him wrong.

I never said time remaining indicators are or need to be absolute,
what I DID say is copying/moving files in Windows through Explorer
never has come close and they've always been all over the map
typically going up and down as the job nears completion.

Adam, when you notice this behavior are you running some other program that
may also be accessing the hard drive?

I've noticed that if I simply leave the computer to do the copy(s) the time
remaining estimate will be pretty close to accurate, but if I'm running
something else (like if I'm watching TV using MMC) the estimate will
fluctuate, going up and down every time it refreshes the time remaining.

Even if disk-indexing kicks in, though it is a low priority, this will also
throw the estimate off.

Windows uses the size and current disk throughput to estimate the time to
copy the files, but if the disk throughput changes due to some other disk
activity then the current estimate is invalid and at the next refresh of the
estimate it will change. Going up when the disk is being used by some other
process, and of course, down when the only process is the copy itself.

I noticed one instance when I was recording two shows and watching a
pre-recorded show at the same time, a download of a CD image (it was
Ubuntu), after the download was finished and Explorer was copying the file
to the Download folder from the temp folder started with an estimate of 9
HOURS. It took a much shorter time than that and during the copy the
estimate went down rather quickly, but I'm assuming at the moment it made
the first estimate the disk was being thrashed so thoroughly by MMC with the
playback and recordings going on, Explorer must have seen the available disk
throughput at something insanely low.

Bug or not, I'm stunned that this seems to be such an issue for some people.
Do we not remember the days when what today would be considered a very tiny
file took quite some time to copy, and we had no real indicator of how long
it was going to take other than our previous experience with other files?

Remember copying files using a command-line?

"copy /home/mickey/download/somestuf.txt
/home/mickey/documents/somestuf.txt"

Didn't get a time estimate with that . . .

And when we finally did get one, it was never very accurate, often not even
close.

Mic

 

[Guest]

Sorry to allow so much into something that should be (for microsoft) so
simple. Please, do not put any more time or effort into this as it seems the
microsoft professional has not an answer. The time spent exhailing and typing
is way too much to consume, therefore I will continue with "Calculating time
remaining" until an intellectual being can remedy this problem. Maybe we
should explore space before we ask such questions..
Thank you........................

 

[spanky628]

This same thing happened to me. I called tech support. He said this was a
virus that caused this problem because if you reboot in safe-mode and try to
move-delete-add a file it doesn't do it. So I would recommend trying to get
rid of the virus (name unknown) or as I did completely re-install Vista.
Mine works good as new and fast now. Good luck!