Building new, Advice please

[not real]

OK, so I am building a new system (just general use, some online
gaming), and have come up with the following so far. Can anyone tell me
if there are ay glaring problems, or slightly better recommendations?

Asus P4C800 Deluxe "Canterwood" Motherboard

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz E , 1MB 800 FSB Socket 478 Prescott Hyper
Threading Boxed Processor

Corsair 1GB PC3200 400MHz (2x512MB) DDR 184Pin

ATI 128MB AGP Video Card with RADEON 9800 PRO 3D Chip

Any thoughts??

 

[Richard Dower]

OK, so I am building a new system (just general use, some online gaming),
and have come up with the following so far. Can anyone tell me if there
are ay glaring problems, or slightly better recommendations?

Asus P4C800 Deluxe "Canterwood" Motherboard

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz E , 1MB 800 FSB Socket 478 Prescott Hyper Threading
Boxed Processor

Corsair 1GB PC3200 400MHz (2x512MB) DDR 184Pin

ATI 128MB AGP Video Card with RADEON 9800 PRO 3D Chip

Any thoughts??

What about the Asus P4C800 - E Deluxe?

 

[BP]

OK, so I am building a new system (just general use, some online
gaming), and have come up with the following so far. Can anyone tell me
if there are ay glaring problems, or slightly better recommendations?

Asus P4C800 Deluxe "Canterwood" Motherboard

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz E , 1MB 800 FSB Socket 478 Prescott Hyper
Threading Boxed Processor

Corsair 1GB PC3200 400MHz (2x512MB) DDR 184Pin

ATI 128MB AGP Video Card with RADEON 9800 PRO 3D Chip

Any thoughts??

If you are building a Windows machine you should be aware of the problem
that Windows XP SP2 is causing with prescott/E series processor MB's. A bios
patch is required. You just need to be sure you've got all the needed update
files on hand when you build if you plan on installing the most current
build of XP.

Have you looked at the ASUS Radeon card with 256MB? A good deal for the same
chip.

 

[JK]

OK, so I am building a new system (just general use, some online
gaming), and have come up with the following so far. Can anyone tell me
if there are ay glaring problems, or slightly better recommendations?

Asus P4C800 Deluxe "Canterwood" Motherboard

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz E

Why a 32 bit processor? Why not get a 64 bit Athlon 64 instead?

 

[Dave C.]

Why a 32 bit processor? Why not get a 64 bit Athlon 64 instead?

Because he's not on AMD's payroll. -Dave

 

[not real]

OK, so what are the advantages of the 64 bit processor for me? As
stated, I am a "one year behind is OK" person for my home computer, as
it seems to save $$, and not jump on board with the latest and greatest.
Convince me... (Please without some huge AMD vs Intel flamefest) I am
a genuine consumer looking for the best I can get with limited funds.
Also, comments on the other components listed would be nice. Thanks.

 

[BP]

OK, so what are the advantages of the 64 bit processor for me? As
stated, I am a "one year behind is OK" person for my home computer, as
it seems to save $$, and not jump on board with the latest and greatest.
Convince me... (Please without some huge AMD vs Intel flamefest) I am
a genuine consumer looking for the best I can get with limited funds.
Also, comments on the other components listed would be nice. Thanks.

There is also a Windows XP SP2 problem with AMD64 MB's. There are currently
no OS's for 64 bit processing, and very few applications. MS is coming out
with a 64 bit Windows "soon". This is the bleeding edge (maybe demoted this
week to the cutting edge ;-)) and not necessary for the budget minded
consumer unless there is a specific need for the extra processing power, now
or in the near future. However it would certainly take you much further into
the future as 32 bit processors are already marked for retirement. 2 Cents.

I have the P4C800E-D board and am happy with it. No problems with my ASUS
Radeon card. Happy. I saved money by using Kingston regular latency memory.
I do not overclock, memory tweak, or bungee jump so I have no need for
expensive, extreme performance memory.

 

[Dave C.]

OK, so what are the advantages of the 64 bit processor for me?

There are none, unless you like to spend more money for the same level of
performance. But that Athlon64 is a great chip. I wouldn't advise anyone
against buying one. But you don't NEED one. -Dave

 

[JK]

OK, so what are the advantages of the 64 bit processor for me?

Right now, the Athlon 64 provides great 32 bit performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=1

It also provides great 64 bit performance when you are ready to upgrade to
64 bit software.

 

[Matt]

There are currently
no OS's for 64 bit processing,

Nonsense.

 

[BP]

Nonsense.

Well? Educate us.

 

[JK]

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upgrade.mspx

 

[Matt]

Well? Educate us.

"By default - without any add-ons - SUSE LINUX 9.1 Professional supports
AMD's Athlon(tm) 64 and Intel's® upcoming Extended Memory 64 Technology.
Thus SUSE presents a 64-bit operating system and applications that make
full use of the high performance and speed of these 64bit processors."

http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/prof/64bit.html

"SUSE LINUX 9.1 Professional is the innovative Linux operating system
for ambitious home users, technically skilled computer enthusiasts, and
developers. With even more comfort and applications for the productive
use of the PC - including office, Internet, and multimedia software,
server services for home networks, and development tools."

http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/prof/index.html

"SUSE offers the possibility to install SUSE LINUX free of charge
directly from the FTP server. The function scope of FTP versions is
virtually the same as that of the "normal" version. Merely a few program
packages have been excluded due to license reasons. The installation
support is not included either."

http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/index.html
http://www.suse.com/us/private/index.html

 

[Matt]

Well? Educate us.

See also:
The "live-eval" CD: boot and run SUSE from a CD without risk---without
writing anything on your hard drive.
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.1/README.txt
http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/live_eval_int.html

See also:
alt.os.linux.suse

 

[JAD]

ok now tell us what great software supports suse and linux and whatever else
you can come up with....

Beta's of OS's and linux distros do not instill a positive experience in me.
64 bit is way ahead of software as usual. But PLEASE buy into it, and get
all those kinks out before the rest of us ease into it.

 

[JK]

ok now tell us what great software supports suse and linux and whatever else
you can come up with....

Beta's of OS's and linux distros do not instill a positive experience in me.
64 bit is way ahead of software as usual.

Perhaps by a few months, however I expect to see plenty of 64 bit software
within 6-9 months. Most people use a processor for a few years, and not
just a few months. The Athlon 64 is great running 32 bit software though,
so it is worth buying just for its 32 bit performance.

 

[Matt]

ok now tell us what great software supports suse and linux and whatever else
you can come up with....

Probably the easiest way to see is to burn the SUSE live-eval CD (or
Knoppix or similar) and boot from it. I think that has an MS Office
substitute and much more ...

Boot and run SUSE Linux from a CD without risk---without changing
anything on your hard drive:
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.1/README.txt
http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/live_eval_int.html

 

[JAD]

funny its been 5 years and the only thing anyone can say is ' it comes
with an office program" do you have any idea how many times i have heard
that? You guys touting the same crap still. Have fun tinkering around, but
remember there are some people that actually like to produce with their
machine, and then there are the gamers. how do those popular games play on
linux suse or whatever? do they have a something that works like -looks
like -behaves like DirectX? Granted that is are more sw producers adding
support, but far from mainstream as its ever been. I stopped tinkering and
don't have anywhere near the desire to pull those case sides off or play
around with testing, writing kernels, trying to find a graphics program that
saves in a required way for production work. Has ICC color matching panatone
color charts etc. If those OS's were going to ever be mainstream they woud
have been so by now. Wish they were, but they are not, too late. AMD LINUX
SUSE DISTROS belong together. they are the 'Tinkerers dream'.

 

[BP]

In the future I will try and make a distinction between computer USERS and
computer ENTHUSIASTS.

 

[Matt]

In the future I will try and make a distinction between computer USERS and
computer ENTHUSIASTS.

So something like 2/3 (and growing) of the world's supercomputer users
are Linux enthusiasts, not computer users?