Bill Gate's take on linux

[Tom]

It's got another huge problem. That's usability. People don't want to go
back to the stoneage of command line. Linux community just doesn't get that
or there would be a bigger push from the GUI perspective. Their GUI has
improved but compared to Windows.. it's not even close. People want ease,
people are more attacted now to PC's because of Mac and because of Windows..
they have progressed and made computing easy. Linux just isn't innovative
enough. I attribute that to OpenSource and the fact there is poor management
of new functionality. Then there is support and we all know Linux is a
horrible from a support perspective. Linux has come a long way, I'll say
that, but side by side Windows will always win hands down.

Tom

Don't get on the original poster. He is correct about Microsoft
funding the Sco. Possible the only way ms can try to get rid of
Linux. Of course this will not work. I will not pay for any licensing
of Linux, I already have period. Linux had one major problem
hardware incompatibility.

Brian

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

One other problem I see is more of a psychological aspect.
Many Linux users come off as whiners and complainers of Microsoft in
these and other groups.
Microsoft users may and may not do the same, but that is not really
relevant since everyone knows someone using Microsoft products, many
successfully.
Someone new comes along and sees these whiners and decides they want
nothing to do with that crowd and will stay with the relatively
familiar.
They are killing their own market by their own actions and do not even
see it.

Changing their own public relations at the user level is possibly the
best step Linux users could take to gain support.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

It's got another huge problem. That's usability. People don't want to go
back to the stoneage of command line. Linux community just doesn't get that
or there would be a bigger push from the GUI perspective. Their GUI has
improved but compared to Windows.. it's not even close. People want ease,
people are more attacted now to PC's because of Mac and because of Windows..
they have progressed and made computing easy. Linux just isn't innovative
enough. I attribute that to OpenSource and the fact there is poor management
of new functionality. Then there is support and we all know Linux is a
horrible from a support perspective. Linux has come a long way, I'll say
that, but side by side Windows will always win hands down.

Tom

Don't get on the original poster. He is correct about Microsoft
funding the Sco. Possible the only way ms can try to get rid of
Linux. Of course this will not work. I will not pay for any licensing
of Linux, I already have period. Linux had one major problem
hardware incompatibility.

Brian

 

[Phil \(a.k.a. purplehaz\)]

Exactly true, if you need to run software that requires Windows.

You have a choice of any number of Linuxes if you want to run software
that requires Linux, but I'm not sure if the effects are 100%
beneficial. Perhaps an OS needs to be a standard, from the
perspective of compatability and critical mass.

Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three
different elec co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all
about choice. True one main company owns the equipment, but they
share it with other companies and you pick who you want to do
business with.

Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
reading about California, not our own continent [/QUOTE]

Tell me about it. I'm in new york and experienced the blackout of 2003.
Something that was never supposed to happen. No power for almost 12 hours.

But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.

Ouch......... can get cable broadband(2.5mb down, 385k up) here for $39.99 a
month (us) and the cheap dsl for $29.99.

 

[E McCann]

..

Microsoft users may and may not do the same, but that is not really
relevant since everyone knows someone using Microsoft products, many
successfully.

Someone new comes along and sees these whiners and decides they want
nothing to do with that crowd and will stay with the relatively
familiar.

Actually, I mentioned this in a response to Tom in another thread - most
users don't *get* they can have a different OS. They just buy "the box."
Tell them they can change, and they think it's like changing the faceplate
on their phone. Tell them it's more complicated, and they don't want to do
it.

For most folks, it really wouldn't *matter* what they run. Windows is what
came in "the box." (Which inevitably they call "the hard drive" or "the
modem," if not "the thing with the CDs.")

 

[Brian Coats]

If it was not for hardware & software incompatibility I would use
Linux all the time. More than the windows os I use now.

Sco and the judge has failed to release the code. It could be a
simple fix. That why the have not released it.

People who use Drdos or Caldera Linux. wont be affected by the
lawsuit. The reason is they already sold the products to the person.
Gave permission by selling the products to those people. That only if
they win.

The sco is talking about the core of a Linux systems. The kernel.
Actual if there is a copyright violations. Only one person is
responsible linus. Linux is so public and everyone know the code.
Why isn’t sco releasing the code that was copied? It could be a
simple fix.

Imagine how many companies would go bankrupt if the sco wins.
Lindows, redhat, suse, mandrake, e.t.c. Not to mention if the sco
won, the companies that use Linux everyday. This lawsuit could drive
up prices everywhere. Could cause other companies to go out of
business. Then they would have only two companies competing Microsoft
and Apple. My question is how the sco found out what companies are
using Linux. They are suing autozone and Damien Chrysler.


Brian

 

[Alex Nichol]

Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
reading about California, not our own continent

But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.

It is interesting that in the UK we have a so called competitive market
in electricity and Gas - but having a different so-called supplier of
course makes no difference *whatever* to the product - you do not get
stronger amps or a more stable frequency by changing. But in Telecoms,
switching long distance provider may result in having the long distance
go via an entirely different routing (a company Energis laid optics
along the ground wires of electricity grid lines). And in major urban
areas Mercury even laid its own local connections, - primarily for
business.

But a domestic situation can get independent telephone/internet from a
cable TV company - I have the choice of a BT line with ADSL and the ISP
actually a different company, using the BT local loop solely for initial
access, or (as I do) TV; telephone and broadband cable connection all
from one, entirely different company with different physical connection
from the start. This has had its effect on the pricing, which is
becoming quite competitive

 

[David Candy]

I haven't had a blackout for over 30 years.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

Exactly true, if you need to run software that requires Windows.

You have a choice of any number of Linuxes if you want to run software
that requires Linux, but I'm not sure if the effects are 100%
beneficial. Perhaps an OS needs to be a standard, from the
perspective of compatability and critical mass.

Depends where you live. Here we have choices of two or three different elec
co and telephone co's. No monopoly here -- it all about choice. True one
main company owns the equipment, but they share it with other companies and
you pick who you want to do business with.

Yes, it's interesting to see how this doesn't seem to have translated
to better electricity in the US. We read stories of rolling brownouts
etc. and think "these poor third worlders", and then realising we are
reading about California, not our own continent

But phone; oh yes, we do need competition there. One year's 0.5M ADSL
rental (the line, not including ISP) costs as much as a decent PC.

The difference is that competing electricity companies don't use
different voltage and lock you into tribes of appliances, and that
competing telcos do route calls to each other's networks. With OSs,
that works as far as Internet access is concerned (tho MS has tended
to mess around with email standards) but not apps.

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Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!

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[/QUOTE]

 

[Guest]

The truth hurt
I'm disappointed that 95% of the people use WIN32 apps and OS
Windows and linux are like car
Windows is a oil car, Linux is a fast efficient and cool sun powered convertible car

Note: that with konqueror 3.1.1, it's better to view the newsgroup
The evolution of the kernel apps and OS is different that the windows evolution

M$ Verifys the correctivness of their apps and OS
The L. Kernel is actually alpha, beta tested amoung a big community.
I take programs, learn from them, correct them, unlike windows..
You don't understand

Windows is made for general publi
Linux for nerds

But now, linux is creping faithly, and beated, twards a large community called the "users

Bill gates is trying to eleminate competition
I'll like HIM TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD
was is so healthy by the fact you buy the public for 200k american bucks
Linux people made a choice

Like me, I'm tired of crashing twice a week because your firewall
Security is better, stability is better, speed too you know
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/extreme_04.html !
The facts
Tired

Fix your software!

 

[Guest]

oops, I think I'm wrong..
If I'm correct, the amount of money microsoft gave to the SCO was 86 millions.

 

[Yves Leclerc]

So that is where they got some of the money they needed to SUE Linux users.

oops, I think I'm wrong...
If I'm correct, the amount of money microsoft gave to the SCO was 86

millions.

 

[Joh N.]

Yves Leclerc, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

So that is where they got some of the money they needed to SUE Linux users.

Correction, that's where they got the money to make their feeble attempt at
suing Linux users. It didn't work and SCO is now trying to do their BS war on a
steep and muddy hill...1 step forward, 3 steps sliding back down.

Joh N.

 

[Jim Macklin]

Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who just
prefer to hate Bill Gates.


| Yves Leclerc, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| <top-posting corrected>
|
| > "mimithebrain" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| >
| >> oops, I think I'm wrong...
| >> If I'm correct, the amount of money microsoft gave to
the SCO was 86
| >> millions.
| >
| > So that is where they got some of the money they needed
to SUE Linux users.
| >
| >
|
| Correction, that's where they got the money to make
their feeble attempt at
| suing Linux users. It didn't work and SCO is now trying to
do their BS war on a
| steep and muddy hill...1 step forward, 3 steps sliding
back down.
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 10:40pm up 9:18, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00,
0.00
|

 

[Joh N.]

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who just
prefer to hate Bill Gates.

No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is sickening. The hate against
your shepherd is just an addition.

Joh N.

 

[Joh N.]

Joh N., after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to


No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is sickening. The hate
against
your shepherd is just an addition.

P.S.

Except for Kelly...she's too damn cute to get mad at for it!

Joh N.

 

[Jim Macklin]

I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.


| Joh N., after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of
the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| > Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to
| > use, wrote:
| >
| >> Bottom posting complains about Microsoft by people who
just
| >> prefer to hate Bill Gates.
| >
| > No, I just hate top-posters...the idiocy in it is
sickening. The hate
| > against
| > your shepherd is just an addition.
|
| P.S.
|
| Except for Kelly...she's too damn cute to get mad at for
it!
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 4:34am up 15:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03,
0.00
|

 

[Joh N.]

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.

Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the time. Stupidity and
laziness are your trademark.

Joh N.

 

[Jim Macklin]

I spend my time sitting on my ass because my donkey is too
tired.


| Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which
end of the pen to use,
| wrote:
|
| > I just top post because it bothers YOU so much.
|
| Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the
time. Stupidity and
| laziness are your trademark.
|
| Joh N.
| --
| Linux 2.4.20-4GB-athlon
| 12:36pm up 23:15, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.11,
0.03
|

 

[SomeOne]

Jim Macklin, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:




Now you're just lying out your ass. You top post all the time. Stupidity and
laziness are your trademark.

Joh N.

Linux 2.4.20? I think stupidity and laziness are YOUR trademark.
No, I take it back, they're your signature.

 

[SomeOne]

Linux 2.4.20? I think stupidity and laziness are YOUR trademark.
No, I take it back, they're your signature.

P.S. Don't you know that 2.4.20 has has a dozen holes in it?

 

[Joh N.]

SomeOne, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use,
wrote:

P.S. Don't you know that 2.4.20 has has a dozen holes in it?

Yes, Forrest, I'm well aware and am well patched.
Now, to answer your other patently idiotic reply...if cable or dsl made it way
out here in the woods where I am, I'd have it, and I could download easily the
latest kernel. As it is, I don't have the pipe to spend that kind of time
waiting and waiting and waiting for a half a day or better to do that now.

Joh N.