Best Anti-Spam product?

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Gary Helfert

I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.
 
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Guillermito

I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.

You cannot define some kind of simple rule with blacklisting all
variations around the string "Rolex" ? It does not appears frequently in
legit email, no ? At least not in mine.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.

Probably some kind of urban legend. There is much more money to make by
selling efficient software by the millions than by cutting small deals
with spam thugs.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.

I used to use SpamPal on Windows. It's a very well done open source
software that first blacklists spams based on database of known spammer
servers like SpamHaus. Than you can add several plugins to enhance the
efficiency : conditions-based rules, Bayesian filter, white/black list,
etc. It takes some time to tune up, but at the end the combination of all
of these layers were pretty efficient for me. And believe me, I received
huge amounts of spam, for using the same address since 1995. I removed
SpamPal once I switched my main email to Gmail.

So, if you want a simple solution without anything to worry about, use
Gmail. Their spam filter is not bad, and is probably trained by billions
of e-mails, and cooperating users. That's at least the impression that I
have. Maybe other webmails are also good for this, but I don't know.
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "Gary Helfert" <[email protected]>

| I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
| recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
| hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
| I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
| software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
| Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.
|

I use Pegasus Mail is my email client. It has its own spam filtration. Between its Content
Filter and POP3 Filter, I get little spam. BTW, that is in conjunction with Brightwork's
SpamDetector on the Verizon email server (now a Symantec product).

So in Pegasus Mail I can specifically set a POP3 filter and if it meets the criteria the
spam is deleted on the server and never downloaded. The content filter will delete those
that can't be deleted on the server.

You have to examine the header and body of the email and looks for the common denominator.
I have seen those Rolex spams and they are usually GIF files in the add and are attached in
the email so you can't filter on the word "rolex". You have to look for the "common
denominator" in the message and separates the spam from legit email.

If you use a email client like Pegasus Mail in conjunction with a another spam filer, you
will greatly increase the filtration rate. What Symantec misses, Pegasus can catch.

Please note that 'spam' is NOT an a.c.a-v On Topic subject matter and you really need to
post this kind of query in a anti spam News Group.
 
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badgolferman

Gary Helfert, 9/27/2005,
I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a
spam recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In
particular spam hawking Rolex watches continues to return. I have
read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list. Any
feedback on this problem apprecitated.

I believe K9 to be the best spam filter. Efficiency is at 99.93% for
me.
http://www.keir.net/k9.html
 
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louise

I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.
If you want something that integrates with Outlook and that works
through your training of it, try Spambayes. It is free and learns
quite well over a few weeks. Uses a baysian filter.

From my perspective, the advantage of the self training is that I'm
not dependent upon a list created by anyone but myself.

Louise
 
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badgolferman

Does K9 block spam from leaving your server?
I couldn't get it to do that.

Lou

K9 gives you the ability to look at the messages residing on the server
through the Server Check tab. You can selectively choose the ones to
delete before they are downloaded.

K9 must download messages to process them through its Bayesian
filtering system to determine their Spam score. When they are residing
on the server the only fields visible are the Subject, To, From, etc.
That is not enough to do proper filtering in my opinion.
 
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Ian Kenefick

I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.

My system is pretty simple yet very effective.

F-Prot AVES runs on the server and removes 99% of SPAM and all viruses
and boy do I get a lot of those sent to my address.

Of course I don't mask my address anywhere on the internet and this is
how I get so much junk. I don't mind though. My system reduces the
amount of SPAM to about 2 or 3 emails per day which I think is *very*
acceptable.

My desktop email client is The Bat! with an integrated
'Antispamservant'. Bless those Russians for they are so clever. When I
get an undetected SPAM mail I send it to spam@localhost and the
program analyses the spam to detect it the next time. If I get a false
positive I send it to nonspam@localhost where it is added to the
whitelist. No messing around!

To summerise, an antispam solution should have a high detection rate
with few false positives and require very little if any end user
intervention.

Regards, Ian
http://www.ik-cs.com
 
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Guest

Gary Helfert said:
I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.
http://www.spamihilator.com/
This is the BEST I have found.
 
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ComPCs

http://www.spamihilator.com/
This is the BEST I have found.


No mention of it not coming bundled with spyware et al ??

I'm always a little cautious of freeware like this..... someone has
spent a lot of time, effort, and probably money, to get to a finished
product like this - is there a nasty sting in the tail?
 
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Ian Kenefick

No mention of it not coming bundled with spyware et al ??

I'm always a little cautious of freeware like this..... someone has
spent a lot of time, effort, and probably money, to get to a finished
product like this - is there a nasty sting in the tail?

There is definately no spyware in Spamihilator.
 
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Kenneth

I've got Norton Internet Security 2005 which is suppose to have a spam
recognition functionality. It isn't working very well. In particular spam
hawking Rolex watches continues to return.
I have read that some spam companies are cutting deals with anti-spam
software venders to keep their garbage off the definitions list.
Any feedback on this problem apprecitated.

Howdy,

I'd suggest you look at a product called SpamBayes at
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/.

It works flawlessly, is very easy to set up, is the engine
of many commercial products, and... is free.

All the best,
 
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Kenneth

Howdy,

I'd suggest you look at a product called SpamBayes at
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/.

It works flawlessly, is very easy to set up, is the engine
of many commercial products, and... is free.

All the best,

....and I should have mentioned, SpamBayes lets you determine
what spam is rather than using a system that prevents you
from seeing what someone else believes to be spam.

All the best,
 
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Gary Helfert

I did a search for newsgroups relating to spam and the 3 hits I got looked
like more of a hang out for people creating spam than people with tips on
how to prevent spam.
Can you recommend an anti-spam newgroup?
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "Gary Helfert" <[email protected]>

| I did a search for newsgroups relating to spam and the 3 hits I got looked
| like more of a hang out for people creating spam than people with tips on
| how to prevent spam.
| Can you recommend an anti-spam newgroup?
|

news.admin.net-abuse.misc
 
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Ant

David H. Lipman said:
From: "Gary Helfert" <[email protected]>

| I did a search for newsgroups relating to spam and the 3 hits I got looked
| like more of a hang out for people creating spam than people with tips on
| how to prevent spam.

You can't really prevent it once spammers have your address. As an end
user, the best you can do is filter or block it. Your ISP may allow
some control of how it's handled on their mail server, but this often
isn't implemented well. If you're using Outlook Express, the message
rules are inadequate for dealing with spam, so you'll need something
in front of it like Spampal, which I see has already been mentioned.
| Can you recommend an anti-spam newgroup?

news.admin.net-abuse.misc

If you ignore the Brad Jesness threads, and idiots attempting to seed
harvest bots, alt.spam is another group where you can find some
knowledgeable people. They will usually appear if an on-topic question
is intelligently asked.
 
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ComPCs

[email protected] says... said:
You can't really prevent it once spammers have your address.

You can 'control' it to some degree.

When you give out your email address, use something specific to that
person/company, so -

abc@my_made_up_pretend_domain.com you would give to a company called
abc.

sender_name_goes_here@my_made_up_pretend_domain.com you give to your
friends and family where sender is the name of the person to whom you
are giving the address.

Thus is you receive SPAM into abc@ you can immediately inform ABC that
your email address is no longer valid, and change the address that they
should thereafter use to abc1@.... in the interim, you kill all mail
destined for abc@ and either put filters in place, or use your host/ISP
to do such.

This way you only ever have to inform ABC that the email address has
changed as no-one else will be (should be) using that specific address.

Likewise, if you 'prefix' personal correspondence with a persons name
prior to the @ then if that address gets compromised, the same applies
as above.

I have found that to date this method really keeps my SPAM levels to an
absolute minimum.

Of course, you may have to have postmaster@ or something equally generic
in front, but in the main, the important correspondence - the ongoing
stuff - will have a specific address unique to the sender.

Not flawless I know, but it has worked for me.

PS ... not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs, but someone might find
the info useful.
 
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Norman L. DeForest

I did a search for newsgroups relating to spam and the 3 hits I got looked
like more of a hang out for people creating spam than people with tips on
how to prevent spam.
Can you recommend an anti-spam newgroup?

news.admin.net-abuse.email

First you should read the FAQs for the newsgroup. Links to them can
be found at:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Antispam.html#NANAElinks
Right below that are links to sources of Nomex(tm) underwear: :)
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Antispam.html#NOMEXU

There are a few trolls and kooks who post there who it would be worth
adding to your killfile. Moris (currently posting with the name
"superglue") is one of them. A link to a FAQ on them can be found at:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Antispam.html#trollz
 
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RAQUEL

Postini's Service Solution for spam and viruses is the best. As you
know spam changes everday and Postini stays current with the day to day
tactics of the spammers. Software and hardware solutions can't
compete.

It's definately worth checking out!!!

www.postini.com

Raquel
 

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