Basic calibration + raw image ? from new Epson + SilverFast user

S

stilllearning

Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
 
D

degrub

Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.
 
S

stilllearning

Thanks degrub!

So it sounds like (newbie translating...) is that it might be best for
me just to have

Color Management
Input -> Internal [None]
Internal -> Monitor [None]
Internal -> Output RGB

then leave the icc profile (the one I setup using Monaco) embedded?

And that should give me the most accurate scan, and the only difference
between what I see on screen and my scanned photo will be due to:
1. display adjustments (by Photoshop, Aperture, etc), and
2. the fact that I am using 48 bit HDR? And I guess I should be using
simply 48bit Color instead?

Thanks again-
Regards,

Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.


Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
D

degrub

Well, that turns off all color managment for SF ( only important for
visual based adjustments) and if you embed the Monaco profile, you can
read that file into a CMS aware application (photoshop, etc. ) and
either convert the scan into the working space of the CMS being used
(colorsync CMS i gather - and Adobe 98 working space ?) based on the
embeded profile and do your editing or you can leave it alone and not
convert - ie keep it as a master "archive " scan for future work and not
adjust it now. Make sure you set the WP (white point) and BP (black
point) for the scan. Of course, you are not really using SF at this
point except as an interface to drive the scanner - which may be better
than the Epson's interface - but that is the user's preference.

If you use 48 bit color instead of 48 bit HDR color, then you are not
getting a "raw" scan - you are getting a normal scan with WP, BP,
gamma, and other adjustments applied to the output from SF. IF you want
a "raw" image file , then use the HDR type output. HDR output will
generally be "darker" because no gamma has been applied to raise the
midtones of the image.

BTW, no scan looks the same as the image you see on the slide - the
scanner sees what it can see - the eye adapts to what is shown and
adjusts, even within parts of the image. Also, the type of display can
make a difference - CRT versus LCD, although LCDs are getting better.

Thats what the CMS and profiles are for - keeping the representation of
color as consistent as possible and as close a possible to the original
image on whatever output device ( CRT, LCD, Printer). If you think the
image on the screen doesn't look like the original, try printing it ! ;-))

Have a gander at one of the versions of Margules' book on scanning and
image correction - he can teach you a lot.
Thanks degrub!

So it sounds like (newbie translating...) is that it might be best for
me just to have

Color Management
Input -> Internal [None]
Internal -> Monitor [None]
Internal -> Output RGB

then leave the icc profile (the one I setup using Monaco) embedded?

And that should give me the most accurate scan, and the only difference
between what I see on screen and my scanned photo will be due to:
1. display adjustments (by Photoshop, Aperture, etc), and
2. the fact that I am using 48 bit HDR? And I guess I should be using
simply 48bit Color instead?

Thanks again-
Regards,

Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.


Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
S

stilllearning

Thanks again degrub!
I will keep the 48bit HDR.

Last questions (I hope!) :D

Under "Profiles for ColorSync" in SilverFast
For "Input", should I simply select my scanner name (eg EPSON
Expression10000XL), or should I really be using the profile I created
with MonacoEZcolor (which I called 10000 refl.cc*)?

I presume then I should still choose "Embed icc profile" so the profile
is embedded with each scan, correct?

Lastly, when I select the Input for the Profile for Colorsync, either
the 'EPSON Expresson10000XL' or '10000 refl.cc' is automatically
entered as the Profile to embed (so it will always match).
So technically speaking, the EPSON Expression10000XL that I can select
for an Input for the Profile for ColorSync *IS* an icc profile, right?

* This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***

Thanks again so much degrub - I really appreciate it!

Well, that turns off all color managment for SF ( only important for
visual based adjustments) and if you embed the Monaco profile, you can
read that file into a CMS aware application (photoshop, etc. ) and
either convert the scan into the working space of the CMS being used
(colorsync CMS i gather - and Adobe 98 working space ?) based on the
embeded profile and do your editing or you can leave it alone and not
convert - ie keep it as a master "archive " scan for future work and not
adjust it now. Make sure you set the WP (white point) and BP (black
point) for the scan. Of course, you are not really using SF at this
point except as an interface to drive the scanner - which may be better
than the Epson's interface - but that is the user's preference.

If you use 48 bit color instead of 48 bit HDR color, then you are not
getting a "raw" scan - you are getting a normal scan with WP, BP,
gamma, and other adjustments applied to the output from SF. IF you want
a "raw" image file , then use the HDR type output. HDR output will
generally be "darker" because no gamma has been applied to raise the
midtones of the image.

BTW, no scan looks the same as the image you see on the slide - the
scanner sees what it can see - the eye adapts to what is shown and
adjusts, even within parts of the image. Also, the type of display can
make a difference - CRT versus LCD, although LCDs are getting better.

Thats what the CMS and profiles are for - keeping the representation of
color as consistent as possible and as close a possible to the original
image on whatever output device ( CRT, LCD, Printer). If you think the
image on the screen doesn't look like the original, try printing it ! ;-))

Have a gander at one of the versions of Margules' book on scanning and
image correction - he can teach you a lot.
Thanks degrub!

So it sounds like (newbie translating...) is that it might be best for
me just to have

Color Management
Input -> Internal [None]
Internal -> Monitor [None]
Internal -> Output RGB

then leave the icc profile (the one I setup using Monaco) embedded?

And that should give me the most accurate scan, and the only difference
between what I see on screen and my scanned photo will be due to:
1. display adjustments (by Photoshop, Aperture, etc), and
2. the fact that I am using 48 bit HDR? And I guess I should be using
simply 48bit Color instead?

Thanks again-
Regards,

Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.



stilllearning wrote:

Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
D

degrub

1) either one will work - use whichever seems to give a closer image
2) Yes if you are choosing HDR output - otherwise the application that
opens it will not know how to translate the colors the scanner saw into
the working colorspace of Colorsync/Photoshop/etc. If not HDR output
then you should already be in Colorsync working space ( ie the
conversion has already been done and the image is saved in the Colorsync
working space - Adobe 98 IIRC) and no need to embed.
3) yes
4) depends on which profiling software was better and if you scanner
closely matches the scanner that was used to generate the profile.
Usually, the custom profile will be a closer match for your scanner
alone, but not always.
Thanks again degrub!
I will keep the 48bit HDR.

Last questions (I hope!) :D

Under "Profiles for ColorSync" in SilverFast
For "Input", should I simply select my scanner name (eg EPSON
Expression10000XL), or should I really be using the profile I created
with MonacoEZcolor (which I called 10000 refl.cc*)?

I presume then I should still choose "Embed icc profile" so the profile
is embedded with each scan, correct?

Lastly, when I select the Input for the Profile for Colorsync, either
the 'EPSON Expresson10000XL' or '10000 refl.cc' is automatically
entered as the Profile to embed (so it will always match).
So technically speaking, the EPSON Expression10000XL that I can select
for an Input for the Profile for ColorSync *IS* an icc profile, right?

* This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***

Thanks again so much degrub - I really appreciate it!

Well, that turns off all color managment for SF ( only important for
visual based adjustments) and if you embed the Monaco profile, you can
read that file into a CMS aware application (photoshop, etc. ) and
either convert the scan into the working space of the CMS being used
(colorsync CMS i gather - and Adobe 98 working space ?) based on the
embeded profile and do your editing or you can leave it alone and not
convert - ie keep it as a master "archive " scan for future work and not
adjust it now. Make sure you set the WP (white point) and BP (black
point) for the scan. Of course, you are not really using SF at this
point except as an interface to drive the scanner - which may be better
than the Epson's interface - but that is the user's preference.

If you use 48 bit color instead of 48 bit HDR color, then you are not
getting a "raw" scan - you are getting a normal scan with WP, BP,
gamma, and other adjustments applied to the output from SF. IF you want
a "raw" image file , then use the HDR type output. HDR output will
generally be "darker" because no gamma has been applied to raise the
midtones of the image.

BTW, no scan looks the same as the image you see on the slide - the
scanner sees what it can see - the eye adapts to what is shown and
adjusts, even within parts of the image. Also, the type of display can
make a difference - CRT versus LCD, although LCDs are getting better.

Thats what the CMS and profiles are for - keeping the representation of
color as consistent as possible and as close a possible to the original
image on whatever output device ( CRT, LCD, Printer). If you think the
image on the screen doesn't look like the original, try printing it ! ;-))

Have a gander at one of the versions of Margules' book on scanning and
image correction - he can teach you a lot.
Thanks degrub!

So it sounds like (newbie translating...) is that it might be best for
me just to have

Color Management
Input -> Internal [None]
Internal -> Monitor [None]
Internal -> Output RGB

then leave the icc profile (the one I setup using Monaco) embedded?

And that should give me the most accurate scan, and the only difference
between what I see on screen and my scanned photo will be due to:
1. display adjustments (by Photoshop, Aperture, etc), and
2. the fact that I am using 48 bit HDR? And I guess I should be using
simply 48bit Color instead?

Thanks again-
Regards,


degrub wrote:


Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.



stilllearning wrote:


Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
S

stilllearning

Thanks so much - I *really* appreciate the information-
Being new to scanning and the use of SF, I can't even begin to tell you
what a help it is to have someone to point me in the right direction...

....off to check out Margules' book!
Regards-
1) either one will work - use whichever seems to give a closer image
2) Yes if you are choosing HDR output - otherwise the application that
opens it will not know how to translate the colors the scanner saw into
the working colorspace of Colorsync/Photoshop/etc. If not HDR output
then you should already be in Colorsync working space ( ie the
conversion has already been done and the image is saved in the Colorsync
working space - Adobe 98 IIRC) and no need to embed.
3) yes
4) depends on which profiling software was better and if you scanner
closely matches the scanner that was used to generate the profile.
Usually, the custom profile will be a closer match for your scanner
alone, but not always.
Thanks again degrub!
I will keep the 48bit HDR.

Last questions (I hope!) :D

Under "Profiles for ColorSync" in SilverFast
For "Input", should I simply select my scanner name (eg EPSON
Expression10000XL), or should I really be using the profile I created
with MonacoEZcolor (which I called 10000 refl.cc*)?

I presume then I should still choose "Embed icc profile" so the profile
is embedded with each scan, correct?

Lastly, when I select the Input for the Profile for Colorsync, either
the 'EPSON Expresson10000XL' or '10000 refl.cc' is automatically
entered as the Profile to embed (so it will always match).
So technically speaking, the EPSON Expression10000XL that I can select
for an Input for the Profile for ColorSync *IS* an icc profile, right?

* This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***

Thanks again so much degrub - I really appreciate it!

Well, that turns off all color managment for SF ( only important for
visual based adjustments) and if you embed the Monaco profile, you can
read that file into a CMS aware application (photoshop, etc. ) and
either convert the scan into the working space of the CMS being used
(colorsync CMS i gather - and Adobe 98 working space ?) based on the
embeded profile and do your editing or you can leave it alone and not
convert - ie keep it as a master "archive " scan for future work and not
adjust it now. Make sure you set the WP (white point) and BP (black
point) for the scan. Of course, you are not really using SF at this
point except as an interface to drive the scanner - which may be better
than the Epson's interface - but that is the user's preference.

If you use 48 bit color instead of 48 bit HDR color, then you are not
getting a "raw" scan - you are getting a normal scan with WP, BP,
gamma, and other adjustments applied to the output from SF. IF you want
a "raw" image file , then use the HDR type output. HDR output will
generally be "darker" because no gamma has been applied to raise the
midtones of the image.

BTW, no scan looks the same as the image you see on the slide - the
scanner sees what it can see - the eye adapts to what is shown and
adjusts, even within parts of the image. Also, the type of display can
make a difference - CRT versus LCD, although LCDs are getting better.

Thats what the CMS and profiles are for - keeping the representation of
color as consistent as possible and as close a possible to the original
image on whatever output device ( CRT, LCD, Printer). If you think the
image on the screen doesn't look like the original, try printing it ! ;-))

Have a gander at one of the versions of Margules' book on scanning and
image correction - he can teach you a lot.

stilllearning wrote:

Thanks degrub!

So it sounds like (newbie translating...) is that it might be best for
me just to have

Color Management
Input -> Internal [None]
Internal -> Monitor [None]
Internal -> Output RGB

then leave the icc profile (the one I setup using Monaco) embedded?

And that should give me the most accurate scan, and the only difference
between what I see on screen and my scanned photo will be due to:
1. display adjustments (by Photoshop, Aperture, etc), and
2. the fact that I am using 48 bit HDR? And I guess I should be using
simply 48bit Color instead?

Thanks again-
Regards,


degrub wrote:


Realize that a 48 bit HDR file is going to look flat - no gamma was
applied to bring up the mid tones.

Doesn't matter for SF which IT8 profiling program you use.

Looks like your CSync Internal working space and embedded profile are
not matched. IIRC, they should be the same, unless SF has changed
behavior. You have already told CSync to use the EPson profile for input
translation to the Adobe 1998 colorspace as your working colorspace for
editing. No reason to embed a different profile i think. Otherwise, i
think you want to turn off CSync and just embed the scanner profile.
Then whatever program you use can read the profile and adjust the
display correctly, assuming it uses a CMS.

The Internal: Monitor is just for SF to use for display. If you are not
previewing, then no issue.



stilllearning wrote:


Hi all!
A *very* basic question from a new Epson 10000XL/LaserSoft Ai user:

I want to get as accurate a scan as I can, but when I look at the scan
on my monitor (Apple Cinema display) it doesn't seem as close to the
original as I expected. Don't know if that has to do with my settings,
scanned target, or simply monitor calibration.

I am looking simply to scan color photos, which later could be used
within a few different software packages - Aperture, Photoshop, etc. by
myself or perhaps others. I have SilverFast Ai (not HDR or IT8).

Any thoughts on this would be a huge help before I delve into scanning
hundreds of pics- thanks!


Here's my setup (warning - NEWBIE ALERT!):

To obtain raw files that are accurate all I did during setup was
select:
Scan Type: 48 Bit HDR Color
Q-factor: 1.0

And under options selected (all of these selections based on advice
based on the SilverFast Quicktime tutorial, not the
computer-darkroom.com site):
Color Management
Input -> Internal: ColorSync
Internal -> Monitor: ColorSync
Internal -> Output: RGB

Profiles for ColorSync:
Input: 10000 refl.icc
*** This 10000 refl.cc file is a profile that I made by scanning in my
MonacoEZcolor reflective target using MonacoEZcolor and the Epson, and
then saving the file. Not sure if that was the way to go...***
Internal: Adobe 1998.icc
Gray: Generic Gray Profile.icc
Output/Printer: <NONE>
Rendering Intent: perceptual

Embedded ICC profiles
Embed ICC profile [X] (checked)
Profile to embed: 1000refl.icc

I realize most of these selections are NOT as suggested by
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/hdr_tutorial/hdr_1.htm
but rather were suggested within the Silverfast Ai Quicktime
tutorials...

Was this correct? Or should I have not embedded the ICC profile.
And should I only be using the Silverfast IT8 calibration?


Thank you SO much!!
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