Background Music Extraction & Conversion to .mid

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Midhun K Menon

I'm having few excellent mp3s which has got nice background
beats/music. Is there any freeware which I can use to extract the
background music alone without all those (speech) part, and also to
convert the produced file to a midi file. It need not be a single
application..
But anything possible?

Thnx in advance
 
I'm having few excellent mp3s which has got nice background
beats/music. Is there any freeware which I can use to extract the
background music alone without all those (speech) part, and also to
convert the produced file to a midi file. It need not be a single
application..
But anything possible?
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Cant be done...
 
Midhun said:
I'm having few excellent mp3s which has got nice background
beats/music. Is there any freeware which I can use to extract the
background music alone without all those (speech) part, and also to
convert the produced file to a midi file. It need not be a single
application..
But anything possible?
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part of the answer:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_MULTIMEDIA.php#2.02AudioTool:VoiceRemover

Karaoke Anything!, Vocal Remover

Susan
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Is this brain some software which can do the job? I tried googling..
what i can find is some bible brain 2.0 :-s Please clarify!
 
Is this brain some software which can do the job? I tried googling..
what i can find is some bible brain 2.0 :-s Please clarify!
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I don't know either, but I agree with the bebop, it can't be done.

A couple of progs claim to do it on a very simplistic level, like a melody
played with one finger.

As soon as you add chords, other instruments, the whole lot is mixed
artificially or in the air, it's impossible to get the constituents back,
it would be like getting the grapes, sunshine and rain out of a bottle of
wine.

It's a great pity, or OTOH you can listen to the orchestra, or drink the
wine

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pissed



mike
 
mike ring said:
I don't know either, but I agree with the bebop, it can't be done.

A couple of progs claim to do it on a very simplistic level, like a melody
played with one finger.

As soon as you add chords, other instruments, the whole lot is mixed
artificially or in the air, it's impossible to get the constituents back,
it would be like getting the grapes, sunshine and rain out of a bottle of
wine.
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Shouldnt you be able to do this with a program that records and plays in
tracks, like some of the Studio Software? Have it broken down into tracks.
Save the tracks to a file. Remove the vocal tracks. Save the rest. I think
it can be done but would it be worth the time?
 
mike said:
I don't know either, but I agree with the bebop, it can't be done.

A couple of progs claim to do it on a very simplistic level, like a melody
played with one finger.

As soon as you add chords, other instruments, the whole lot is mixed
artificially or in the air, it's impossible to get the constituents back,
it would be like getting the grapes, sunshine and rain out of a bottle of
wine.
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erm. . . have you read this explanation of how vocal removers work?

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vremover.htm

<q>
AnalogX Vocal Remover works on the same principles that the hardware removers do - that in most
instances vocals are equally mixed in both channels, and can identified and therefore removed by
simply changing the phase on one channel by 180 degrees. While this won't remove vocals in all
instances, it does work in many cases,
</q>

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erm. . . have you read this explanation of how vocal removers work?

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vremover.htm
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AnalogX Vocal Remover works on the same principles that the hardware
removers do - that in most instances vocals are equally mixed in both
channels, and can identified and therefore removed by simply changing
the phase on one channel by 180 degrees. While this won't remove vocals
in all instances, it does work in many cases,
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Removing Vocals
You can play round with the Equaliser and filters to minimse the vocals

Mp3 to Midi
The are applications that claim the can turn a music track in to a midi
but I have not seen one that will actually do it.... it may work on a simple
single note melody track but it gets lost on a more complicated track with
chords, drums, bass, rymth, lead and other instruments all playing
 
a bottle of wine.
erm. . . have you read this explanation of how vocal removers work?

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vremover.htm

<q>
AnalogX Vocal Remover works on the same principles that the hardware
removers do - that in most instances vocals are equally mixed in both
channels, and can identified and therefore removed by simply changing
the phase on one channel by 180 degrees. While this won't remove
vocals in all instances, it does work in many cases,
</q>
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Sorry, Susan, I didn't mean to knock Vocal remover - I've never tried it,
so I'm hardly in a position, and I could imagine how it would work.

But Midhun wants a resonably competent (I assume) music to midi thingy
and I agree with Bebop, it can't be done.

In answer to Jeff, it's easy to turn midi tracks into excellent audio
(with Megabytes of soundfonts, but then it's not tracks any more but a
coplex waveform you can't unravel.

A midi file is a few kByte; the equivalent wav is tens of megs, how do
you get all them worms back into the can?

Even if you could get to the multitrack version, each track is still a
complex waveform that can't be analysed in this way.

(I can't say for sure that it's theoretically impossible, but I think
you've got about as much chance as all those monkeys writing
Shakespeare.)

mike
 
Sorry, Susan, I didn't mean to knock Vocal remover - I've never tried it,
so I'm hardly in a position, and I could imagine how it would work.
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But Midhun wants a resonably competent (I assume) music to midi thingy
and I agree with Bebop, it can't be done.
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I thought your remarks were about removing vocals - and AFAIK that is possible - some of the time.

Converting the end result to midi is a whole different animal. . . and I've got nothing to say
about that. . . ;)

Susan (non-expert on many things)
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Am 2 Sep 2005 11:24:16 -0700 schrieb Midhun K Menon:
Is this brain some software which can do the job? I tried googling..
what i can find is some bible brain 2.0 :-s Please clarify!
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uhm, sorry just kidding. a common joke in german newsgroups which means (in
your case) this:

With karaoke tools (some mentioned in this thread) and maybe some special
vst-plugins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Studio_Technology) you
can spend hours and get very poor results. There are some which can convert
single instrument tracks to MIDI (I don't know if there are free ones) but
none that can do this with a complete arrangment.
You also need a host program to use the plugins (look on the kvraudio site,
there are some free ones).
Anyway you can try and maybe get some interesting results but the exact job
can only be done manually.

listing of free plugins (large!)
http://www.sadglad.com/freevstplugins6.html

good plugin info site
http://www.kvraudio.com

sorry again for the silly joke but if you want to save time and nerves ask
a musician.
bye
Eric
 
Well.. I'm not quite sure whether there is an alternative for my need.
:)
I think i'l discuss the problem rather than the solution! :D

I've got a huge collection of old malayalam songs, and I really like
the background music of those. So that's why i was looking for a vocal
remover, and I guess the appz listed out here can do the job, atleast
for much of my files.

The conversion to midi, i thought was required because, I'd like to use
some of them in my eBooks (html based) so that if in midi, i can embed
the media file. Is there any way to embed the mp3 files themselves?

Am I asking for a dumb solution when the problem itself is having a
simpler solution?

Thank you for the replies guys, but hope somebody would be able to help
me!
geez geez geez :)
 
Midhun said:
Well.. I'm not quite sure whether there is an alternative for my need.
:)
I think i'l discuss the problem rather than the solution! :D

I've got a huge collection of old malayalam songs, and I really like
the background music of those. So that's why i was looking for a vocal
remover, and I guess the appz listed out here can do the job, atleast
for much of my files.

The conversion to midi, i thought was required because, I'd like to use
some of them in my eBooks (html based) so that if in midi, i can embed
the media file. Is there any way to embed the mp3 files themselves?

Am I asking for a dumb solution when the problem itself is having a
simpler solution?
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dunno about embedding but you can link to sound files in HTML. (The ebook and sound file could be
distributed together in a zip file.) See:

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimerAll.html#EI

Susan
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