Automatically create record in subform

G

Guest

I have a subform called "Rent Items subform" that I want to automatically
create a new record in after updating a field in the main form.

The thing is, a query based on my form + some records in it's subform won't
fun unless there is at least one record in the subform, even if it's blank.
My clients are complaining about having to go into the subform and type a
space so that the query will run, so I'm trying to find a way to do it
automatically. After activating a control called "rent due", I want to go
into the 'date' field of the "rent items" subform, type a "space" to create a
record. That's it.
 
A

Albert D. Kallal

Why not just change the relational join you use for the reports?

It is a MUCH worse cure for the patient to force a stupid record in the
sub-form. Uses will not enter any data, and you got gobs and gobs of stupid
sub-form records all over the place.

You need to use left joins in your quereis

A left join means that a query will return the "parent" records when the
child table HAS NO correspond record.

So, if we have Customers, and Invoices tables, a left join would give us:

CustomerName InvoiceNumber
AppleBee
Donought Shop 1234
Doughnut Shop 1344

Note how AppleBee does NOT yet have a invoice number in the invoices
table..but the query still returns the record. You have to use left joins
for lookup values when you drop in many tables (can't use standard joins in
this case).

So, with a left join, the corresponding child record DOES NOT have to exist.
Just think of "left" side can exist...but the right side does NOT have to !

A middle join, or so called inner join is the standard join, and BOTH tables
have to have a value for the join. The above would produce:

CustomerName InvoiceNumber
Dounought Shop 1234
Doughutn Ship 1344

So, in the above inner join, our customer name of Applebee does not show,
since that customer does NOT yet have a invoice record in the invoice table.

To make a left join, you drop in the tables (in the query builder, or the
relationship designer), and draw the join line to the appropriate filed
between each table. You then double click on the join line. You then click
on the join type button

You get three options:

Only include rows where the joined fields from both tables are equal
(this standard default inner join)

Include ALL records from "Customers" and only those records from
"Invoices" where the joined fields are equal
(this is our left join. So, our main table Customers will be returned in
this query, REGARDLESS if the child records (invoices in this example)
exist, or not!. This is left join

Include ALL records from "Invoices" and only those records from
"Customers" where the joined fields are equal
This sis obviously a right join....

Now, the concept of a left join is NOT very important for you combo box
lookups, except for the fact that it don't work unless you use left joins!!

However, for forms, and sub-forms, and related tables, left joins are quite
important. Keeping in mind that related tables, and your above problem are
different problems, there read the following as to why you want to be aware
of left joins:

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If you look at the following screen shot, you can see that most relations
ships are this left join, and RI is enforced.

http://www.attcanada.net/~kallal.msn/Articles/PickSql/Appendex2.html

tblBgroup (booking group) for example may, or may not have payments made
(tblPayments). Thus, you can add a booking group, and NOT have to add child
records. However, full RI is enforced, and you can see the side ways 8
"omega" sign AND THE ARROW HEAD. The simple lookup fields are simply just a
arrow drawn, and no "1", or omega sign exists (tblPayments to tblHowpaid for
example is a simple lookup).

The tables that MUST have a child records can also clearly be seen. If you
go from the tblBgroup to the its parent table, you will see table
tblBooking. You can easily see that there is a 1 to many here also, but NO
ARROW head exists. Thus, when I create a booking, my designs will ALWAYS
ASSUME that a child records in tblBgroup (booking group) will exist (ie: I
must code, and assume that when I add a tblBookin records, my code also
assumes that a tblBGroup will also have to be added).

So, the ER diagram can convey a lot about your designs. Down the road, I can
now look at that diagram, and when writing code, I will know if the design
can, and does assume if child records are required. If you look at that
table, it is VERY RARE that I require the child record. That application has
about 60 tables, and I think only 1 or 2 in the whole thing is NOT a left
join. Hence, you most certainly should set the relation in the window for
future reference, and also it will help you when you create a query, or a
report.
 
G

Guest

Thank you so much! That was a little tip that will save me so much in the
future. My queries now work perfectly. Thank you again.
 

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