ATI Remote Wonder

[Guest]

I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not load at
start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was, I will
be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Plato]

I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not load at
start-up.

NEVER install video drivers from MS.

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

In

I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not
load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was,
I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to update
those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw manufacturer
directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

 

[Charlie Tame]

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to update
those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always identical
to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but the ASUS drivers
are always worthless - improve one thing but break another

Charlie

 

[kurttrail]

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video chipset
drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers compared to
those put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the chipset
manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old ones first.

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[Yves Leclerc]

The WU version of the drivers "may" be the same versions to the original
manufacturer. However, I have encountered too many problems with the WU to
safely recommend the drivers.

Here is a list of problems that occurred:

-- Older drivers than the ones available from the manufacturer
-- Removed "features" that the manufacturer's version of the drivers
included
-- Screwed up the display resolution.
-- Limited to 16 colours (once)
-- Black screen after boot
-- Pushed the screen resolution passed the resolution that my monitor could
support. Needed to delete the video card and display settings in Device
Management while is "Safe Mode" to get Windows to display again
-- Windows "Blue Screen" (BSOD) errors
-- Windows froze during start-up

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but the
ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break another

Charlie

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

In

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

A) Don't update drivers unless you absolutely know you need to, and make
full system backups first.
B) Driver updates via WU very often cause problems - check in the WU group
if you doubt this
C) The company responsible for issuing drivers is the company who makes the
hardware, not the company who makes the OS.

Just the facts, straight & simple.

 

[Charlie Tame]

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not
load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was,
I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video chipset
drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers compared to those
put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the chipset
manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old ones first.

THE NVIDIA DRIVERS FROM MS ARE ALWAYS IDENTICAL, just in case you missed it
the first time and that is what I asked you to explain - which you could
have done in a more civil manner - the reason I asked is because I only see
NVidia drivers and was curious if other manufacturers are different. So
where is your explanation now? IDIOT?

Charlie

 

[Charlie Tame]

See below

The WU version of the drivers "may" be the same versions to the original
manufacturer. However, I have encountered too many problems with the WU
to safely recommend the drivers.

Here is a list of problems that occurred:

-- Older drivers than the ones available from the manufacturer
-- Removed "features" that the manufacturer's version of the drivers
included
-- Screwed up the display resolution.
-- Limited to 16 colours (once)
-- Black screen after boot
-- Pushed the screen resolution passed the resolution that my monitor
could support. Needed to delete the video card and display settings in
Device Management while is "Safe Mode" to get Windows to display again
-- Windows "Blue Screen" (BSOD) errors
-- Windows froze during start-up

So basically these problems might be a result of the "Installation" on the
fly as it were rather than the drivers themselves, which is why I asked the
question.

I am interested because I have a couple of things that work under XP and
2003 with older drivers but the most recent driver package from NVIDIA with
exactly the same details as the WU version screws up 2003 but not XP. To be
accurate I should say screws up those programs on 2003 but not XP.

The board manufacturer's drivers have never been as good as the chipset
drivers, and more often than not ASUS fix one thing and break 2 others

Charlie

 

[Charlie Tame]

See below:-


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not
load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was,
I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the hw
manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

A) Don't update drivers unless you absolutely know you need to, and make
full system backups first.

Agreed, I have seen newer drivers which are worse than old ones, but it is
to be expected that system individuality will matter here due to the need to
hit the hardware very precisely. I do as you suggest always but can't say
I've experienced a problem with WU or Chipset drivers - mine have been with
board maker's drivers.

B) Driver updates via WU very often cause problems - check in the WU group
if you doubt this

I was interested if this is a result of the immediate "On the fly" install
as opposed to a more controlled manual install with no surplus stuff
running, I was not calling anyone a liar, simply questioning the comment
since I personally have not had any serious trouble.

C) The company responsible for issuing drivers is the company who makes
the hardware, not the company who makes the OS.

I assume MS offer them via WU as a courtesy - no problem with that - but I
had wondered if it was "Risky" to do drivers (Especially video) together
with other things... it seems that it is as intuition would tell you then.

Just the facts, straight & simple.

As I see it we are given software by MS for testing and bug reporting.
Frankly I find very few in normal use but I do deliberately invite trouble
on test machines for obvious reasons. I don't pretend to be any sort of
"Expert" by any means, but my findings are generally that the major factor
is avoiding certain "Reputable Software" (mentioning no names) and obviously
avoiding disreputable software that makes changes in non standard ways. The
purpose behind asking the question was to get some idea of whether the use
of WU for these updates is a practically bad idea or whether user behavior
makes WU a bad idea, I'm sure that makes sense to you. Thanks for the
comment. Seems to me that user awareness may be a factor.

Charlie

 

[kurttrail]

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
message

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does
not load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it
was, I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the
hw manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video chipset
drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers compared to
those put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the
chipset manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old
ones first.

THE NVIDIA DRIVERS FROM MS ARE ALWAYS IDENTICAL, just in case you
missed it the first time and that is what I asked you to explain -

No they are not. They are minimalistic peices of crap that usually are
months if not more behind the current nVidia releases, and don't install
the proper way the drivers need to be installed, uninstall old drivers,
reboot, install new drivers.

which you could have done in a more civil manner -

Are you mad that you are an idiot? That would be your problem, as
anyone that knows anything about getting drivers from Window/Microsoft
Updates knows never to install them, EVER!

the reason I asked
is because I only see NVidia drivers and was curious if other
manufacturers are different. So where is your explanation now? IDIOT?

"Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but the
ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break another
"

Where did you mention "other manufacturers," liar?

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[Charlie Tame]

Inline...

Charlie Tame wrote:
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
message

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does
not load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it
was, I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want to
update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers from the
hw manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but
the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break
another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video chipset
drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers compared to
those put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the
chipset manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old
ones first.

THE NVIDIA DRIVERS FROM MS ARE ALWAYS IDENTICAL, just in case you
missed it the first time and that is what I asked you to explain -

No they are not. They are minimalistic peices of crap that usually are
months if not more behind the current nVidia releases, and don't install
the proper way the drivers need to be installed, uninstall old drivers,
reboot, install new drivers.

YES THEY ARE IDENTICAL. Do you have a reading deficiency or something. I
wouldn't have said that otherwise. I asked the question because in light of
the comments made it seems more of an installation problem than Microsoft
tinkering with the drivers.

Are you mad that you are an idiot? That would be your problem, as anyone
that knows anything about getting drivers from Window/Microsoft Updates
knows never to install them, EVER!


"Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card but the
ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but break another
"

Where did you mention "other manufacturers," liar?

Well I figured the word NVIDIA might be a bit of a clue. In any case since
you already "Know" everything I might have assumed you'd "Know" that

Charlie

 

[kurttrail]

Inline...

Really? Are you that stupid that you think people wouldn't figure it
out?

message Charlie Tame wrote:
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
in message

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does
not load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it
was, I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want
to update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers
from the hw manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card
but the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but
break another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video
chipset drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers
compared to those put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the
chipset manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old
ones first.


THE NVIDIA DRIVERS FROM MS ARE ALWAYS IDENTICAL, just in case you
missed it the first time and that is what I asked you to explain -

No they are not. They are minimalistic peices of crap that usually
are months if not more behind the current nVidia releases, and don't
install the proper way the drivers need to be installed, uninstall
old drivers, reboot, install new drivers.

YES THEY ARE IDENTICAL. Do you have a reading deficiency or
something. I wouldn't have said that otherwise. I asked the question
because in light of the comments made it seems more of an
installation problem than Microsoft tinkering with the drivers.

"The earth is flat, and was created in 6 days, by an old fart in a white
gown!"

Keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, doesn't make it
true.

Well I figured the word NVIDIA might be a bit of a clue. In any case
since you already "Know" everything I might have assumed you'd "Know"
that

That is the same manufacturer that you have been talking about.

Please, continue to download all your drivers from Microsoft. You
deserve it.

But have you noticed that no one is coming to your defense that MS is a
good source for driver upgrades, and that even a MS-MVP advises against
using MS as a source for upgraded drivers.

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[Charlie Tame]

Really? Are you that stupid that you think people wouldn't figure it out?

Oh I knew other people were smart enough to figure it out, I was trying to
be considerate to you....

Charlie Tame wrote:
message Charlie Tame wrote:
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
in message

In Jim in Canada <Jim in (e-mail address removed)> typed:
I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does
not load at start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it
was, I will be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Was this a device driver? If so, note that you really don't want
to update those via WU/Microsoft - always get device drivers
from the hw manufacturer directly.
Are you having problems now, with the service not starting?

Can you explain that? The NIVIDIA drivers WU offers me are always
identical to the NVIDIA drivers ? Admittedly it is an ASUS card
but the ASUS drivers are always worthless - improve one thing but
break another
Charlie

Yes I can explain, IDIOTS download drivers, especially video
chipset drivers from Microsoft. MS puts a minimalistic drivers
compared to those put out by the video chipset manufacturers.

Most people that have problems with the drivers supplied by the
chipset manufacturers are those that aren't uninstalling the old
ones first.


THE NVIDIA DRIVERS FROM MS ARE ALWAYS IDENTICAL, just in case you
missed it the first time and that is what I asked you to explain -

No they are not. They are minimalistic peices of crap that usually
are months if not more behind the current nVidia releases, and don't
install the proper way the drivers need to be installed, uninstall
old drivers, reboot, install new drivers.

YES THEY ARE IDENTICAL. Do you have a reading deficiency or
something. I wouldn't have said that otherwise. I asked the question
because in light of the comments made it seems more of an
installation problem than Microsoft tinkering with the drivers.

"The earth is flat, and was created in 6 days, by an old fart in a white
gown!"

Keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, doesn't make it
true.

But in this case it is true, and the behaviour of both sets of drivers,
faults and all, is identical.

Unlike some people though I don;t automatically assume that I know
everything so I asked politely for an explanation.

That is the same manufacturer that you have been talking about.

Well I'd be a bit stupid to use drivers for a card with other chips on it
wouldn't I? Maybe that's part of your problem?

Please, continue to download all your drivers from Microsoft. You deserve
it.

But have you noticed that no one is coming to your defense that MS is a
good source for driver upgrades, and that even a MS-MVP advises against
using MS as a source for upgraded drivers.

That was why I asked the question politely. All I said was the comment that
my drivers have always been identical, this does not classify MS as good or
bad or anything else. Obviously other have had trouble and I was interested
in the cause because I am considering an upgrade. As for coming to my
defense there is nothing to defend, I am not arguing one way or the other,
merely stating (and apparently having to repeat) that my experience appears
to differ from yours. In fact we appear to agree that the delivery method
may be the problem don't we? If you are genuinely interested in the problem
fine, if you're just about MS bashing perhaps getting a handle on some facts
would help.


Charlie

 

[kurttrail]

Oh I knew other people were smart enough to figure it out, I was
trying to be considerate to you....

So you are so stupid as to have not realized that I mostly reply inline!

But in this case it is true, and the behaviour of both sets of
drivers, faults and all, is identical.

So you think and say, but have yet to demonstrate. As far as I'm
concerned, you are just another flat-earther creationist.

Unlike some people though I don;t automatically assume that I know
everything so I asked politely for an explanation.

LOL! That was your mistake. If you don't expect to be flamed,
especially when you expouse the utter nonsense that Windows/Microsoft
Update is a good source of drivers, then you should get out of the hot
kitchen.

Well I'd be a bit stupid to use drivers for a card with other chips
on it wouldn't I? Maybe that's part of your problem?

"the reason I asked is because I only see NVidia drivers and was curious
if other manufacturers are different."

I love it when morons can't follow a conversation!

That was why I asked the question politely.

And you didn't except the polite replies of others, or my response
either. You are thick-headed, and I could tell that right off the bat,
hence my flame.

All I said was the
comment that my drivers have always been identical, this does not
classify MS as good or bad or anything else. Obviously other have had
trouble and I was interested in the cause because I am considering an
upgrade.

WU Drivers = trouble. This is a nearly universal idea among those in
the know.

As for coming to my defense there is nothing to defend, I am
not arguing one way or the other, merely stating (and apparently
having to repeat) that my experience appears to differ from yours.

Please continue your practices. As I said you deserve to get all your
drivers from MS!

In
fact we appear to agree that the delivery method may be the problem
don't we? If you are genuinely interested in the problem fine, if
you're just about MS bashing perhaps getting a handle on some facts
would help.

LOL! MS supplies minimalistic driver, especially video drivers, and
idiots like you deserve to use them no matter the "delivery method,"
from the Windows CD, or from Windows/Microsoft Update.

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[Guest]

I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not load at
start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was, I will
be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Count your blessings, ATI Technologies has crashed my system. I don't know
who they are or how they got into my XP system but they have caused a Major
crash in my computer and microsoft said to contact them. Unfortunately with
my damaged computer I cannot reach them. I have done nothing new that I am
aware of except the purchase of a lexmark printer to replace an three year
old lexmark printer. after instralling the printer I tried tocorrect the
p[roblem runnig my virus program and found new 23 virus contaminations.

I don't have or use any ATI product and they appear to be worse than a worm.
If you find out how to get rid of them, short of destroying my dell demension
4500 please e-mail me (e-mail address removed). I'll be using my old laptop for
internet access and my normal computer activity.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

 

[Rctfreak]

I just installed an XP update for ATI Remote Wonder. Now it does not load at
start-up.

Was that the update? To stop Remote Wonder from starting? If it was, I will
be rolling the machine back soon

Is there a fix?

Thanks,
Jim

Count your blessings, ATI Technologies has crashed my system. I don't know
who they are or how they got into my XP system but they have caused a Major
crash in my computer and microsoft said to contact them. Unfortunately with
my damaged computer I cannot reach them. I have done nothing new that I am
aware of except the purchase of a lexmark printer to replace an three year
old lexmark printer. after instralling the printer I tried tocorrect the
p[roblem runnig my virus program and found new 23 virus contaminations.

I don't have or use any ATI product and they appear to be worse than a worm.
If you find out how to get rid of them, short of destroying my dell demension
4500 please e-mail me (e-mail address removed). I'll be using my old laptop for
internet access and my normal computer activity.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Are you sure about that? My Dell laptop has an ATI video card in it.
Your Dell could very well have an ATI card in it.

What makes you think it is the ATI software that crashed your system?