ASUS's Cool & Quiet, How to enable?

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Bob Brown INC.

Ok, so I enabled the Thing in the BIOS, A8S-X board.

Is software "required" for it to work properly?

I need to know exactly what to search for since the ASUS website is
really buggy and slow.
thanks
 
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Paul

Bob said:
Ok, so I enabled the Thing in the BIOS, A8S-X board.

Is software "required" for it to work properly?

I need to know exactly what to search for since the ASUS website is
really buggy and slow.
thanks

It appears that the original web page provided by Asus, is
no longer available. There used to be a simple graph and
a bit of text, describing how it works.

The actual implementation varies with motherboard. Some motherboards
rely on a BIOS routine to manage things. Some SuperI/O chips, like
some Winbonds, have a "cruise control" done in hardware, inside the
SuperI/O, and that can do the grunt work instead. In that case, the BIOS
code would no longer be needed - the BIOS could define the register values
and let the SuperI/O do its thing. The register values would get wiped,
if the user decided to run something like SpeedFan while in Windows
(as tools like SpeedFan, control the settings themselves).

There is an article here (and yes, the article is not in English, and
no, I cannot read it :) ):

http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/15697.shtml

This is the reviewer's idea of how Asus programs things, when
Q-fan is enabled. Basically, all the action centers on a
certain threshold temperature. You should be able to see
this, by starting something like Prime95 Torture Test. Get out
a tool that can display temperature versus time (like maybe one
of the several versions of Asus Probe), and see how the temperature
and fan speed vary. Note that the curve here, defines a "stop speed"
which is not zero. Which means the fan should have a "slowest speed"
that it adopts, until the temp rises high enough. Note that there
have been reports of Asus boards, where the CPU fan has actually
stopped. Whether this was intended, or was a programming mistake,
is a constant question with features like this (there is no harm,
because in that case, as soon as the CPU gets hot enough, the fan
starts spinning again). Since the motherboard manual doesn't seek to
clarify things, you can only guess at the details.

http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2004/04/23/function_Qfan.png

The response can be complicated a bit, depending on whether the
fan used has its own temperature sensor. Some fans ramp their speed,
when the computer case air temperature rises past a certain level.
Then, you have the response of Q-fan, overlaid with how the fan works.
That could contribute, for example, to cases of stopped fans, rather
than the fan running at some minimal speed. (Temperature controlled
fans reduce their internal voltage, so you are seeing the effects
of two voltage reductions, cascaded.)

AFAIK, Q-fan does not observe the actual RPMs and do anything about
it. Q-fan observes temperature, and delivers a voltage to the fan,
in response to that temperature. The actual RPM value is not part
of the control algorithm.

No OS driver should need to be installed, for this to work.

HTH,
Paul
 
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hummingbird

Ok, so I enabled the Thing in the BIOS, A8S-X board.

Is software "required" for it to work properly?

I need to know exactly what to search for since the ASUS website is
really buggy and slow.
thanks

I'm an ABIT mobo freak, so I know nothing about Cool & Quiet but
it appears to do what SpeedFan does: controls fan speeds and temps.

Is it a free alternative if you can't get C & Q running?

....my 2 cents worth...
 
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Paul

Well, that is another mis-read for me :-( :-(
I thought you were referring to Q-fan for some reason.

Cool N' Quiet needs a few things to work.

Enable in the BIOS and then follow the instructions here.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Cool_N_Quiet_Installation_Guide3.pdf

Utilities are on this page:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ComputingSolutions/0,,30_288_1278_809^871^9706,00.html

The processor driver (1.3.2.16) is for WinXP:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/amdcpusetup.exe

There is "dashboard" software mentioned here, but I haven't heard of
too many people using it.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^10272,00.html

When the computer is idle, the software will adjust the FID (multiplier)
and VID (Vcore) of the processor, so it runs a lot slower. This makes it
run cooler. If you have Q-Fan running, the fan could well slow down in
response. When you make the processor busy, it will speed up again.
The adjustments are pretty fast.

Paul
 
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Conor

Bob Brown INC. said:
Ok, so I enabled the Thing in the BIOS, A8S-X board.

Is software "required" for it to work properly?

I need to know exactly what to search for since the ASUS website is
really buggy and slow.
thanks
You need to download the AMD Cool'n'Quiet application from AMD's
website.
 
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SteveH

Conor said:
You need to download the AMD Cool'n'Quiet application from AMD's
website.

And then turn on 'minimal power management' in power options in XP.

SteveH
 
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Wayne

Ok, so I enabled the Thing in the BIOS, A8S-X board.

Is software "required" for it to work properly?

I need to know exactly what to search for since the ASUS website is
really buggy and slow.
thanks

Two cases:

1. not an X2 chip - then same old stuff I suppose?
2. If X2 chip, then apparently things have changed, and you will not
find any Cool&Quiet drivers for X2 chips on Windows on the Asus or AMD
site. Nor do you need them for X2 chips.

What you need instead is to install the new "AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core
Processor Driver" from the AMD site at
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_131
18,00.html
It is an exe which installs very easily, independent of Windows.

(I dont know if Microsoft has this yet or not). Then enable C&Q in
Bios, and set Windows to Minimal Power Management. Then utilities like
CPUZ will show the multipler and MHz are greatly reduced most of the
time, mine from 12x to 5x.
 
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RobF

I have a M2V board, C&Q enabled in BIOS, but CPU not C or Q. Drivers
installed from board's CD. What is an X2 chip? I have a 32bit AMD AM2 3200+
1.8GHz proc (box labeled "64 bit technology"-don't know if that applies to
my proc, ie, if the magic 64 can somehow be coaxed into action). Have I gone
as far as possible in making C&C active?
 
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Wayne

I have a M2V board, C&Q enabled in BIOS, but CPU not C or Q. Drivers
installed from board's CD. What is an X2 chip? I have a 32bit AMD AM2 3200+
1.8GHz proc (box labeled "64 bit technology"-don't know if that applies to
my proc, ie, if the magic 64 can somehow be coaxed into action). Have I gone
as far as possible in making C&C active?


X2 is the AMD Dual Core CPU chips. 3200+ is not one of them.

X2 does not need C&Q drivers, but I think the others do.

If you installed the C&Q driver, and enabled C&Q in Bios, and changed your
Windows to Minimal Power Management (Control Panel - Power Options - Power
Schemes), it should work.
 
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RobF

Thanks, Wayne. I hadn't changed power management to minimal. Have done so
now. The change brought up specific settings for Monitor (turn off after 15
minutes); Hard Drive and system standby (never). I have ACPI in Dev Man, not
APM. Standby before the power management change shut down HDD and put
monitor in standby. Recovery to desktop was effected by power switch. I hope
that the change of PM setting won't alter that. We'll see. Appreciate your
input.
 
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Wayne

I hadn't changed power management to minimal. Have done so now.

I think it means Minimal Power, not Minimal Management. Anyway, it is
required for C&Q to work. You should see your CPU temperature drop, and if
you have a utility like CPUZ, you will see the multiplier and MHz drop
substantially.
 
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RobF

C&Q seems to be running. CPU temp down only 3 degrees F. Vcore reading, in
Asus Probe utility, is 1.1V, now shown in a RED box, warning sound comes on,
I ignore, disable vcore reading in config. Nominal for vcore is 1.8 to
0.001.To be sure that I *had* installed drivers, I again looked into the
list of drivers on CD. The C&Q drivers are on a page labeled "Athlon 64
processor driver install shield". If that means 64 bit, I don't have that.
Must be wrong util for my proc. Will look for different version. Thanks
again for your help.

Rob
 

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