ARGOSY - HD363N - Network Storage

[fixuser]

Irmat
Welcome. Even though you have the LANDISK, I'd still encourage you t
post your questions here (at least as a starting point). As best
can tell, the LANDISK is very similar to the Tritton and Argos
products (as I discussed in an Aug. 4 post). If you could, next tim
you open the device, could you look at the chips on the board and se
if one has the markings R2881, and post back here? I'd be ver
curious
After reading the manuals for the LANDISK, I noticed it has som
unique features though. As I understand it you must first make
folder and then you have to tell the LANDISK to share it. Becaus
you can't get to the PUBLIC folder, why don't you try making anothe
folder under your control so you can set the sharing and password.
Also, I'd also so suggest trying to setup the FTP access and see i
you can get in that way too. Testing these two methods may help
If you continue to have problems, instead of entering \\LANDISK\ yo
could see if using the IP address directly helps \\169.254.0.1\

[b:f1554a3066]Kane81,[/b:f1554a3066
Thanks for the knowledge base reference ... in all my searching
hadn't come across that one. While I understand what the articl
suggests about the capabilities of Outlook, I do find storing the PS
files on another PC with file sharing works okay. I just run into th
corruption when I move the same files onto the NAS. So, I think i
the article is clarifying that Outlook was not intended for tha
particular useage, but I agree wit
[b:f1554a3066]dilettante[/b:f1554a3066] in that it may not b
efficient, but it appears it possible ... at least at my house. I'v
run 40 MB and 300 MB PST files over our LAN from PC to PC and i
works. At times, there are some slow downs, but nothing that reall
hinders usage. Again, thanks for the article reference

[b:f1554a3066]dilettante,[/b:f1554a3066
Interesting file corruption you captured. I can repeat it with a 2
kB text file running both Argosy's and Tritton's 06-0804 firmwares.
Odd thing though, if I use a different text editing tool (an olde
program called Programmer's File Editor) I cannot reproduce th
problem. But, with Notepad ... every time! I've forwarded th
information onto Tritton as well
I think (and hope) this is in good agreement with the Outlook PST fil
corruption I've seen. Everytime I repair the PST file, the lo
records that the end of file is not where it was expected, fo
example
!!End-of-file less than actual (read=2C18000, actual=2C14000)
However, this seems backwards from what you demonstrated with the tex
file, where the file is longer, not shorter. Well, we'll just have t
see if they (Argosy, Tritton) can find the root cause ... it may fi
both. Thanks for the find

[b:f1554a3066]FTP Port Number[/b:f1554a3066
In the most recent firmwares, the use is supposed to be able to chang
the FTP port number. I have not been able to change it from 21. Las
week, Argosy replied back an noted that you can change the FTP por
from 21 to anything between 1025-34463. I asked if this was b
design and if it would be changed to allow any port ... I haven'
heard back yet

 

[Maximus1234]

Hi Guys

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemente
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbo
to the device

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would b
perfect to connect the NAS

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk t
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillit
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it woul
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS

/

 

[Maximus1234]

Hi Guys

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemente
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbo
to the device

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would b
perfect to connect the NAS

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk t
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillit
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it woul
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS

/

 

[Maximus1234]

Hi Guys!

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going!

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemented
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbox
to the device.

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then I
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would be
perfect to connect the NAS.

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk to
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillity
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy.

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it would
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS.

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS!

/M

 

[hoogie69]

winuxwrote
hoogie69

What kind of error are you getting when you try to configure th unit

When you connect it directly, don't forget to change your IP addres

to 169.254.0.x because the unit defaults to 169.254.0.1
After changing the IP as indicated, I was able to access the unit.
Now, when I try to format the drive, I get the "General Error, se
manual" but nothing in the manual gives a hint as to how to rectif
the issue. I will check the earlier posts for suggestions but an
further hints would be appreciated. TI

 

[fixuser]

Also, tonight I learned a bit more about the commands available on the
device if you TELNET into it. For many of the commands, if you type
'-h' after , it will show all the command options. I have tried a
few, like changing the IP address of the SNTP time server to one I
use regularly with the command:
sntpc server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.

Just some FYI for those that want to hack into the device further ...
have fun. Irmat, I'd be curious, if the
the LANDISK shows the same/similar commands if you telnet into it.
Just telnet to the IP of you landisk and the type 'help' to see a
list of the commands available.

 

[Kane81]

fixuserwrote:
Irmat,

Kane81,
I do find storing the PST files on another PC with file sharing

works okay. I just run into the corruption when I move the same
files onto the NAS. So, I think in the article is clarifying that
Outlook was not intended for that particular useage, but I agree with
dilettante in that it may not be efficient, but it appears it
possible ... at least at my house. I've run 40 MB and 300 MB PST
files over our LAN from PC to PC and it works. At times, there are
some slow downs, but nothing that really hinders usage. Again,
thanks for the article reference.
I'm using a 300 meg Outlook pst file on my LanDisk, it works ok, but I
get a corruption every now and then (maybe once every 3 days) for no
reason. So I copy the file to my computer, repair it then move it
back onto the LanDisk and all works well. If I try and create my .pst
file on the LanDisk directly via mapped network drive, the pst is
automatically corrupt. the work around was to create it on the
computer and copy it to the LanDisk. Then you set outlook to read it
from the network drive.
I'm using Outlook 2003.

I'm guessing the corruption has to do with the SAMBA implementation,
because outlook is heavily accessing the file, somewhere SAMBA
miswrites something and causes the corruption. network sharing via
two computers using XP does not use SAMBA thus why the corruption
doesnt seem to happen in the example case you gave.

on another note, I'm using the argosy 804 firmware and still have
problems with the disk not waking. thus it becomes unavaliable
randomly. this can happen 4 times a day, i have to shut the NAS down
and restart, very annoying. I have a WD 200 Gig drive on Cable
Select. - I couldnt pick up the drive on master or slave. As for the
chip number, will have to post when I get home.

 

[Kane81]

hey does anyone know anything about the Netgear and Maxtor networ
hard drive cases

is it the same as argosy and triton

 

[Kane81]

my chipset i

RDC
R288

 

[fixuser]

Kane81,
If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.

In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow [b:9315e2343a]dilettante's[/b:9315e2343a] notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.

Lastly, as for the Netgear product (SC101), I've been watching for
this product since earlier this spring because pre-release notes on
Tom's Networking web site suggested it would have very fast data
transfer over ethernet (when compared to existing NAS units) and it
would be available in June. Well, I've watched for it all summer
and am just now I'm seeing it for sale at CDW and CircuitCity (in the
US). There is still no mention of the product on Netgear's US web
site, but their UK web site shows it as 'coming soon'. But, if you
dig deep enough, you can find the manual on the Netgear web site at:

Netgear Documentation . I'm going to wait and see what the
reviews have to say about its performance before I really consider it
.... I don't have the time to debug to NAS units right now.

 

[winux]

The Netgear produc is up on the site. They just released it yesterday
(Sept 12). It's just the enclosure, selling for about $115, but
everyone is already backordered. Looking into it, they are
backordered for a couple of weeks.

The only thing I see it's main advantage thus far is it's ability to
mirror. It also uses something called "Z-SAN Technology." This sounds
a bit proprietary like the Ximeta where you have to have software
loaded on your computer to work. Also, it would make the Netgear
product not a 'real' NAS...?

Some drawbacks I read from the spec sheet on it:

1) It requires a DHCP Server; cannot set it to a static...?
2) No SAMBA implementation--means Linux and Mac users cannot use it.


They also have a very WRONG comparision chart on their site. It states
you cannot a)Have a single drive NAS appear as a drive letter in My
Computer (ummm, YES--Mapping!), b) Cannot hide private data from
others (Tritton unit has password protected shares) c)Stream video
and music simultaneously (I do this with Tritton unit) d) Requires
certain HD manufacturers for drives (no requirement with Tritton
unit) e)Does not include backup software (Tritton does).

Of course, after I just read the above statements, there is a very
small line that they compare it to the Maxtor, Iomega, Buffalo, and
Linksys only.

I couldn't find the manual on their site, nor any support for it yet.

I dunno, it sounds like a proprietary product to me, and not very
configurable. I will wait for reviews as well.

 

[Kane81]

fixuserwrote
Kane81

If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK wit

the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curiou
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton an
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functionsI dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy i
only has one LED which can switch from green to red

In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outloo

issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed writ
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn'
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow [b:382207a669]dilettante's[/b:382207a669] note
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becomin
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritto
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that thi
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe
firmware release to fix this is coming soonthus SAMBA is not implemented properl

 

[eds]

Kane81wrote:
[quote:2666574f87="fixuser"]Kane81,

If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with

the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.I dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy it
only has one LED which can switch from green to red.

In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook

issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow [b:2666574f87]dilettante's[/b:2666574f87] notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.thus SAMBA is not implemented properly[/quote:2666574f87]

Fixing this samba issue with new firmware could fix some of the xbmc
issues those of us with xboxes are having. :wink:

 

[fixuser]

Never mind my request for someone to verify the issue with movin
directories / multiple files from the NAS to a PC ... Tritton ha
verified the issue and continuing to look into root cause

Kane81
When you said you were using a Landisk, I assumed you were referrin
to either the Bytecc LANDISK (ME-850) or V-Gear LANDISK products.
These are products similar to the Tritton SimpleNAS and the Argos
HD363N, but yet having slightly different features. And, both o
those LANDISK products have 5 LEDs on their front panel. If yo
wish, you could revisit the information I posted about these product
earlier in this thread
NA
Listings. That's why I asked [b:c896f5b579]Irmat[/b:c896f5b579
if he/she would report back on the hardware in the Bytecc LANDISK.
Hopefully, that explains the nature of my question about the firmwar
and LEDs

 

[Kane81]

Well my webpage for the NAS use to say LanDisk, It had no brand only a
model number which was HD363N, I then tracked it down to Argosy.

This NAS had no branding on it, on the box, or the instruction.

 

[dilettante]

fixuserwrote:
Never mind my request for someone to verify the issue with moving
directories / multiple files from the NAS to a PC ... Tritton has
verified the issue and continuing to look into root cause.
Sorry, been offline a few days or I'd have tried it. Looks like
things are moving forward with this though, which is great.

BTW: Do we think that the Argosy/Tritton device uses SAMBA at all? It
looks like a completely different CIFS/SMB implementation. Perhaps
people are using "SAMBA" when they mean to say "SMB" instead?

I'm not trying to be anal-retentive here, just trying to keep things
straight for myself. The Tritton manual (PDF at their site)
does mention "Samba server" so perhaps
they are using source from Samba?

Oh well, doesn't matter a whole lot anyway.

More than you wanted to know:
http://samba.anu.edu.au/cifs/docs/what-is-smb.html

 

[fixuser]

For anyone interested, Tom's Networking reviewed the
LaCie
Ethernet Disk mini , and has performance comparisons including
the Tritton SimpleNAS ... which compares well.

I'm still curious to see reviews of two other devices, the Western
Digital NetCenter and Netgear SC101. Not that I'm expecteing I'll
replace my Tritton/Argosy unit with either of these, just curious to
see their capabilities.

 

[mferrigno]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fixuser wrote
I'm wondering if anyone would be willing to test/verify an issue I'
having with moving directories from the NAS to a PC. Tritton ha
tried some test cases on their own, but is not able to reproduce m
reported issue. Thus, I have given them the step-by-step outlin
below that is repeatable on my setup. Will someone be willing tr
this with the Tritton 06-0804 firmware (or the Argosy firmware of th
save version, I found the same problem with both firmwares)?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Although I haven't tried to reproduce your specific issue. I'v
encountered a similiar problem when trying to copy my MP3's off m
NAS onto my PC. After copying around a 1Gig of files, the transfe
hangs up. This is very irritating since I have a large mp
collection on my NAS (approx 80gig). Also I'm performing thi
operation over a wired network
[/quote

 

[Scooby52]

Hi, i've just raised a new thread regarding purchasing the Argosy HD363N in the UK. If you can help, please drop me a reply in Argosy HD363N - is it available in the UK?

Thanks - Scooby52

 

[Sifter]

Any progress or updates on new firmware from either Argosy or Tritton