Anyone running Vista Business in a Domain yet?

[Guest]

I am a network admin of 2 large domains. I haven't got a copy of business yet
but I have Home Premium on my new laptop.

I am pretty scared about trying to support both Vista and XP in the same
domain because for some reason Microsoft decided that "different" has to be
"better" and changed all the folder locations.

I use Mandatory Roaming Profiles. I DON'T WANT my users to see their
profiles folder because everything in it Deletes when they logoff and if they
save there it is gone. However, instead of My Documents (what was wrong with
My Documents???) they have the entire Profiles folder on the Desktop
instead???

The BIG problem with this is that I can't create a Shortcut to My Documents
because each user has a different location.

Is there no more My Documents Redirection? I have 3000 users and don't want
regular roaming profiles as I change the mandatory profile depending on what
software they need access to.

Please tell me Business is more like XP.

Also, what is up with all the extra "clicking" needed in Vista. It seems
that they have added at least 2 clicks to every task. Eg. Changing
Permissions was only one window, now you have to click "edit" twice. Also,
where are all the shortcuts?

Can't say I am impressed. I like the new bells and whistles but I think XP
is far superior as far as supporting and productivity.

Lara

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

No Business is just like everything else, though I don't think the documents
are on Desktop, they are under c:\users\username\documents

The program TweakVI let's you re-direct all the different folders, so I'm
sure there is a way to do it.

 

[Kerry Brown]

I am a network admin of 2 large domains. I haven't got a copy of business
yet
but I have Home Premium on my new laptop.

I am pretty scared about trying to support both Vista and XP in the same
domain because for some reason Microsoft decided that "different" has to
be
"better" and changed all the folder locations.

I use Mandatory Roaming Profiles. I DON'T WANT my users to see their
profiles folder because everything in it Deletes when they logoff and if
they
save there it is gone. However, instead of My Documents (what was wrong
with
My Documents???) they have the entire Profiles folder on the Desktop
instead???

The BIG problem with this is that I can't create a Shortcut to My
Documents
because each user has a different location.

Is there no more My Documents Redirection? I have 3000 users and don't
want
regular roaming profiles as I change the mandatory profile depending on
what
software they need access to.

Please tell me Business is more like XP.

Also, what is up with all the extra "clicking" needed in Vista. It seems
that they have added at least 2 clicks to every task. Eg. Changing
Permissions was only one window, now you have to click "edit" twice.
Also,
where are all the shortcuts?

Can't say I am impressed. I like the new bells and whistles but I think XP
is far superior as far as supporting and productivity.

Lara

You use group policies just like XP. Vista has many more policies but the
principle is the same.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...878e-48db-a3c1-4be6ac7cf7631033.mspx?mfr=true

 

[Guest]

Hi,

I am very familiar with Group Policies. My problem is that I have 2500 Users
and if there is no My Documents on the Desktop they are going to go crazy.
The Mandatory profiles stops them from saving anything in their Profiles
folder because I don't want them to be able to modify anything there.
Therefore their Pictures, favorites etc and everything are part of My
Documents.

I can think of no reason why Microsoft would take away the My Documents and
the Documents and Settings structure. It makes no sense. They had it all in
one location with everything including All Users in one place. Now they have
move All Users desktop and All Users Start Menu to two complete different
folders (one of which is hidden). They give users "view" access to their
entire Profile Folder structure which is my biggest problem.

At home it is annoying because I just want to open My Documents and have to
look through 25 folders in my profile folder just to see Documents.

What I want to know is in a working domain how do Network Admins handle the
fact that with XP there is a My Documents and with Vista there is not? It is
like they went backwards to the days of NT.

Lara

 

[Kerry Brown]

Yes, the UI is different in Vista. I actually like it much better. I find it
much more organized but that's just a personal opinion. You control where
the files are actually stored, offline files, etc with group policy exactly
as you always did. The UI will have to be learned. I do feel your pain as I
know how resistant users can be to change but from a management point of
view the only real difference is the UI and user education. Vista is
actually much safer in a large environment. With UAC and locked down ACLs
for important file locations it's way harder for end users to mess things
up.

 

[Guest]

I just read in the Manual that Vista won't support XP roaming profiles. This
is the first MS OS that isn't backwards compatable. As I run XP/2000
mandatory Profiles for my 2500 Users who roam all over the network on a daily
basis we won't be able to install Vista until all our machines can run it
which will be about 4 years from now as I still have P3's.

Folder Redirection is their "solution" but that won't work because it is the
user.man where I have a lot of their settings and I put all my shortcuts in
My Network Places for shared folders.

Luckily we have a Select License that allows us to install XP on a Vista
license.

Cheers,
Lara

 

[Kerry Brown]

You're sort of right. I hadn't played with roaming profiles and switching
back and forth between XP and Vista. It looks like it can be done but there
are a few compromises and it's a bit of work.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...878e-48db-a3c1-4be6ac7cf7631033.mspx?mfr=true

 

[Guest]

Hi,

Thanks Kerry. I did have that Document on my computer but I only read the
end where it says Vista won't load XP Profiles. I went back and re-read it
and it says that Vista is smart enough to find the "version 2" of the
profile. That means I will have to duplicate the profiles and have one for
Vista and one for XP but that is easily done as I use Mandatory anyway.

Cheers,
Lara