An interesting twist on WGA

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All said:
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Kerry Brown
laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...

The 2.2L was a very strong engine, by luck more than design, but
you're lucky it lived. I suppose by controlling the boost except
during your banzai starts helped. Production engines had a fuel
cut-off built into the primative engine computers of the day, which
I would occasionally trip when racing my Turbo II. Needless to say,
no fuel = I lost the race!

Daytonas were reasonably well-behaved wrt torque steer but no FWD
car is truly suited for high-performance driving, nor were the
tires limited by the K-Car wheel wells up to the task.
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It wasn't luck but careful planning and much fine tuning with a wide band O2
sensor. You're right they were very strong motors. I ran into the fuel
cut-out just before I sold the car. I had returned it to mostly stock
condition to sell it. I was getting a road racing license and using the
Daytona for the track instruction part of it. The instructor and I almost
went through the windshield the first time the fuel cut-out hit :-) As an
aside with the right shocks and swaybar setup it was a reasonable fast car
on a road race track even with stock hp. Unfortuantely it didn't fit into
any approved class for road racing.
 
Alias wrote:
|||| We obviously disagree so I'll change the topic. What is your
|||| sig about? I used to have a 2.2 litre Daytona that was
|||| approaching 300 hp. It was a beast. I think we probably agree
|||| that Mopar rocks.

|| All Things Mopar wrote:

||| My sig or my E-mail? Assuming you mean E-mail, my daily driver is
||| a 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7L 340 HP HEMI R/T. It is indeed a blast
||| to drive. I would love to own a 425 HP 6.1L SRT8 but cannot get a
||| Chrysler employee discount on any SRT8 car so the price
||| differential is pretty steep.
||
|| Of course, you fail to mention that in a car is the most dangerous
|| place in the world to be if it's moving (and sometimes when it's not
|| moving), more dangerous than Baghdad.
||
|| Personally, I haven't owned a car since 1990 and haven't missed it
|| one bit.
||
|| Alias

Alias, you must take into consideration that you live in a country that
has
sensible, highly usable mass transit, along with a sensible work week.
(thirty five instead of fifty + hours).
 
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Kerry Brown
laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...
It wasn't luck but careful planning and much fine tuning with
a wide band O2 sensor.
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Actually, a great deal of luck WAS involved. When Chrysler
decided to go FWD with the first L-Body cars, the Dodge Omni and
Plymouth Horizon, they had no 4-cylinder engine, so needed to buy
one from VW. As the K-Car was being developed, the 2.2L was
developed. However, cash was short prior/during the 1978-80
Chrysler meltdown and many shortcuts were taken in order to meet
the 1981 introduction deadline at the given cost targets. But,
the basic engine design was sound and with a little judicious
beefing from the turbo engineers, served very well.

You're right they were very strong
motors. I ran into the fuel cut-out just before I sold the
car. I had returned it to mostly stock condition to sell it. I
was getting a road racing license and using the Daytona for
the track instruction part of it. The instructor and I almost
went through the windshield the first time the fuel cut-out
hit :-) As an aside with the right shocks and swaybar setup it
was a reasonable fast car on a road race track even with stock
hp. Unfortuantely it didn't fit into any approved class for
road racing.
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Most people never knew there was a rev limiter and an over-boost
limiter, as they didn't drive the cars to their true potential as
you and I did. Revs can be controlled, but the primative turbo
wastegates of the time had very large tolerances. On the low
side, safe boost was gated off costing power and/or precipitating
a fuel cut-off, while on the high side, the boost limiter
wouldn't come on quickly enough resulting in engine damage or a
blown turbo.

Incidently, from a performance standpoint, the short stroke 2.2L
developed through the Turbo IV was an excellent performer, but
when equipped with the TorqueFlite 3-speed auto, low-speed torque
was so low that performance was dismal. This was remedied by
stroking the engine to 2.5L which was very effective with the
auto trans but made the top end quite sleepy beyond 5,000 rpm.
 
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Frank laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...
|| Personally, I haven't owned a car since 1990 and haven't
|| missed it one bit.

Alias, you must take into consideration that you live in a
country that has
sensible, highly usable mass transit, along with a sensible
work week. (thirty five instead of fifty + hours).
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The U.S. has been on a 40-hour work week since the FDR New Deal
days. And, countries that have artificially created employment by
reducing the workweek have resulting higher prices, which tends to
defeat the purpose. As to mass transit, most urban areas here have
it, albeit not as efficient as Europe, but then, the need has never
been nearly as great. And, in suburbia and the country, mass
transit is totally impractical as well as outrageously expensive.
In any event, spending in both the private sector and in any
government is a classic example of a zero sum game - there is only
so much money and it becomes a political football out "best" to
spend it.
 
All said:
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Alias laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...


what the **** are you talking about?
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More people die in automobile accidents than any other way, of course!
how do you get where you're going, ride a bicycle? whatta maroon!
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For most things, I walk. If I have to use a car, I place my life in the
hands of professionals: taxi drivers.

Alias
 
Doug said:
Alias is fitted with a propeller and a big rubber band which his wife
winds up each morning after she points him towards work.
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For me to go to work, I merely have to walk down the hall because I work
out of my home.

Alias
Doug W.
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Frank said:
Alias wrote:
|||| We obviously disagree so I'll change the topic. What is your
|||| sig about? I used to have a 2.2 litre Daytona that was
|||| approaching 300 hp. It was a beast. I think we probably agree
|||| that Mopar rocks.

|| All Things Mopar wrote:

||| My sig or my E-mail? Assuming you mean E-mail, my daily driver is
||| a 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7L 340 HP HEMI R/T. It is indeed a blast
||| to drive. I would love to own a 425 HP 6.1L SRT8 but cannot get a
||| Chrysler employee discount on any SRT8 car so the price
||| differential is pretty steep.
||
|| Of course, you fail to mention that in a car is the most dangerous
|| place in the world to be if it's moving (and sometimes when it's not
|| moving), more dangerous than Baghdad.
||
|| Personally, I haven't owned a car since 1990 and haven't missed it
|| one bit.
||
|| Alias

Alias, you must take into consideration that you live in a country that
has
sensible, highly usable mass transit, along with a sensible work week.
(thirty five instead of fifty + hours).
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That doesn't make a car safer. It just shows that GM, Firestone and
Standard Oil decided that profits are more important in the USA than
human life.

Alias
 
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Alias laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...
More people die in automobile accidents than any other way, of
course!
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After I posted my original query, others pointed out that you're an
imbecile. Google for "Luddite", which is clearly what you are one
of.
For most things, I walk. If I have to use a car, I place my
life in the hands of professionals: taxi drivers.
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now I know you're an imbecile!
 
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Alias laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...
That doesn't make a car safer. It just shows that GM,
Firestone and Standard Oil decided that profits are more
important in the USA than human life.
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It is quite clear to me that you a) need to get a life and b) learn
something about the automobile industry, as you are incompetant at
both right now, imbecile!
 
All said:
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Alias laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...


After I posted my original query, others pointed out that you're an
imbecile. Google for "Luddite", which is clearly what you are one
of.
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Yawn. Still a teen ager, eh?
now I know you're an imbecile!
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You don't *know* anything about me.

Fact: 42,643 people died in accidents in 2003. Since 2003, less than
3000 Americans have died in the Iraq war so, imbecile, you were saying?

Alias
 
All said:
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Alias laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...

It is quite clear to me that you a) need to get a life and b) learn
something about the automobile industry, as you are incompetant at
both right now, imbecile!
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Yawn, you only seem capable of name calling. What are you, 12 years old?

Alias
 
Yawn. Still a teen ager, eh?


You don't *know* anything about me.

Fact: 42,643 people died in accidents in 2003. Since 2003, less than
3000 Americans have died in the Iraq war so, imbecile, you were saying?

Alias
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Alias, don't worry. With the idiotic love for the automobile that some of
these Yankees promote, global warming will eventually wipe the jerks out.
If not them, then their offspring. :-)


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Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, NoStop laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...
Alias, don't worry. With the idiotic love for the automobile
that some of these Yankees promote, global warming will
eventually wipe the jerks out. If not them, then their
offspring. :-)
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**** off, Euro or Canuck greenpeace imbecile! In case you butt-ugly
city car freaks haven't noticed, the American car market has long
been for bigger, more powerful cars, so if you want to be green or
yellow, stay in your country where the socialists run the place and
we'll keep the U.S. for ourselves, the citizens. God Bless The
United States of American, long may she rule the world as the
freest nation on earth, the one with the largest, most diverse
markets, and with the largest array of personal freedoms of any Old
World, New World, or Third World country. Thank God for borders to
keep people with defective genes like you from trying to get in
here and pollute our population.
 
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, NoStop laid
this on an unsuspecting readership ...


**** off, Euro or Canuck greenpeace imbecile! In case you butt-ugly
city car freaks haven't noticed, the American car market has long
been for bigger, more powerful cars, so if you want to be green or
yellow, stay in your country where the socialists run the place and
we'll keep the U.S. for ourselves, the citizens. God Bless The
United States of American, long may she rule the world as the
freest nation on earth, the one with the largest, most diverse
markets, and with the largest array of personal freedoms of any Old
World, New World, or Third World country. Thank God for borders to
keep people with defective genes like you from trying to get in
here and pollute our population.
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Sure is easy baiting you neo-con rightwing idiots. Now go and suck on your
tail pipe for a while. That might just help to restore some of your lost
brain cells. Meanwhile the rest of the world will show some responsibility
to the planet and future generations.



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