Altering one phrase in an include (Dynamic HTML?)

[Trevor L.]

I have used framesets to add a heading and a sidebar to
each page.

Example from http://tandcl.homemail.com.au/index.html
<frameset rows ="17.5%,81.5%" border="0">
<frame src="index_top.html" scrolling="no"/> (A heading)
<frameset cols="18.5%,*" border="0">
<frame src="sidebar.html" /> (The sidebar)
<frame src="index_main.html" /> (The main content)
</frameset>
</frameset>

The point is that ..._top.html varies only slightly for
each page. What varies is the document title (which isn't
that important) and about 5-6 words of text in a table
cell which displays in the heading.

Can I create a function to which I pass the text and
which generates the modified heading with that text.

I hope that it is a bit clearer than mud.

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Only possible using dynamic framesets and JavaScript
See http://javascript.internet.com/navigation/dynamic-frameset.html

IMHO
Don't make the site in frames
For such simple content you are creating more problems than it is worth

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| I have used framesets to add a heading and a sidebar to
| each page.
|
| Example from http://tandcl.homemail.com.au/index.html
| <frameset rows ="17.5%,81.5%" border="0">
| <frame src="index_top.html" scrolling="no"/> (A heading)
| <frameset cols="18.5%,*" border="0">
| <frame src="sidebar.html" /> (The sidebar)
| <frame src="index_main.html" /> (The main content)
| </frameset>
| </frameset>
|
| The point is that ..._top.html varies only slightly for
| each page. What varies is the document title (which isn't
| that important) and about 5-6 words of text in a table
| cell which displays in the heading.
|
| Can I create a function to which I pass the text and
| which generates the modified heading with that text.
|
| I hope that it is a bit clearer than mud.

 

[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28Crash_Gordon=AE\]

Trevor...do you really want to use frames?
Click on the image of you on the top left of your index page.


| I have used framesets to add a heading and a sidebar to
| each page.
|
| Example from http://tandcl.homemail.com.au/index.html
| <frameset rows ="17.5%,81.5%" border="0">
| <frame src="index_top.html" scrolling="no"/> (A heading)
| <frameset cols="18.5%,*" border="0">
| <frame src="sidebar.html" /> (The sidebar)
| <frame src="index_main.html" /> (The main content)
| </frameset>
| </frameset>
|
| The point is that ..._top.html varies only slightly for
| each page. What varies is the document title (which isn't
| that important) and about 5-6 words of text in a table
| cell which displays in the heading.
|
| Can I create a function to which I pass the text and
| which generates the modified heading with that text.
|
| I hope that it is a bit clearer than mud.

 

[Trevor L.]

Rob,
Yeah, it isn't what I wanted and it isn't what occurred before I put this
heading (including pictures) in a frame.

Is there no way around this?

Previously, I used shared borders in FP and the heading changed for each
page. But I noted that FP put the code for the border into each html file. I
thought that using includes (basically frames, because I have found no other
way of including as yet) would reduce the amount of code. But I found that I
had to do the same thing - that is create code for each page for which I
wanted the top border. My query was to find a way to avoid this, i.e. have
one piece of code to include but pass to it the heading.

I will experiment with ways to avoid the picture being restricted to the
size of the frame, perhaps target=_blank will do it.

Having perused this newsgroup daily for a few weeks, I note that quite a few
people have said "don't use frames" (or words to that effect). If there is
another way, I will gratefully accept it.

As you may have gathered, I am a novice in Web page construction and design,
and in HTML and associated languages, but I do have many years programming
experience - sometimes in arcane languages but often in fairly mainstream
stuff, so I am not afraid of coding to achieve what I want.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.


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[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28Crash_Gordon=AE\]

Frames are a real hassle and should be avoided unless you really really (really) need them...which you probably do not (jmo)

Personally I stick mostly to tables and includes. Once you build a blank page (or several of them) to use as templates it's really quite easy.


| Rob,
| Yeah, it isn't what I wanted and it isn't what occurred before I put this
| heading (including pictures) in a frame.
|
| Is there no way around this?
|
| Previously, I used shared borders in FP and the heading changed for each
| page. But I noted that FP put the code for the border into each html file. I
| thought that using includes (basically frames, because I have found no other
| way of including as yet) would reduce the amount of code. But I found that I
| had to do the same thing - that is create code for each page for which I
| wanted the top border. My query was to find a way to avoid this, i.e. have
| one piece of code to include but pass to it the heading.
|
| I will experiment with ways to avoid the picture being restricted to the
| size of the frame, perhaps target=_blank will do it.
|
| Having perused this newsgroup daily for a few weeks, I note that quite a few
| people have said "don't use frames" (or words to that effect). If there is
| another way, I will gratefully accept it.
|
| As you may have gathered, I am a novice in Web page construction and design,
| and in HTML and associated languages, but I do have many years programming
| experience - sometimes in arcane languages but often in fairly mainstream
| stuff, so I am not afraid of coding to achieve what I want.
|
| --
| Cheers,
| Trevor L.
|
|
| I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
| http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
|
|

 

[Trevor L.]

Thanks Stefan,

I have looked at the site you quoted, but I can't follow it. I was a professional programmer in my previous life (I am now retired) but I have no experience in JS. I think this addresses what I want to do, but I am not sure enough to try using/adapting it.

O.K. you say don't use frames. But while my site is now simple, I would like to set it up so that I can add extra pages to it without having to replicate code. That is, I want to be able to include a heading on each page by code such as this:

In a separate file:
function: Heading(Text_of _heading)
{<table>
<tr>
<td>.......(cell1).........</td>
<td>Text_of _heading</td>
<td>.......(cell2).........</td>
</tr>
</table>}

Then in my main code, I want to call this function to set up the heading by calls such as
Call Heading("Home Page")
Call Heading("About Us")
Call Heading("Pictures")

When Heading is called, it executes the code in Heading with the text enclosed in the brackets after the call to Heading in place of Text_of _heading

The rest of the code would then follow for each of the pages:
Home Page, About Us, Pictures, etc

Is this possible?

In the languages I used when at work, it would be very straightforward. Does HTML and JavaScript provide this functionality?
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.





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[Trevor L.]

Rob,
Thanks again.

I keep getting the message "Don't Use Frames". I am happy to follow that advice.

BUT, how do I include?

I found this on FP help


About using a single source of content on multiple web pages
Embedding a web page on other web pages in a web site

You can display a web page on another page in the web site, allowing you to maintain separate pages. For example, to display a copyright notice on several pages in a web site, create one page that contains the copyright notice, and include that page on other pages in the web site. When you update the copyright notice, you simply update that one page; all other pages that include the copyright page will be automatically updated.

Creating information that can update automatically

A variable is information displayed on a page that can be set to change or update automatically. Microsoft FrontPage has four predefined variables that gather information automatically when you put them on a page:

a.. Author
b.. Modified by
c.. Description
d.. Page URL
You can also define a variable yourself, such as a copyright or a comment.

For example, you want to refer to a product throughout your web site, but the name might change. You define a variable for the product (you set a name and value, such as Product and My Product's Name 1.0), and then place the variable on your pages. If the product name changes, you simply change the value of the variable you defined, and then new the product name is automatically displayed in your web site.


This is what I would like to do, but it doesn't say how !

Help says " For example, ........ include that page on other pages in the web site." But where do I find the include command - it doesn't say. Maybe it is talking about using shared borders - I don't know!

The second bit also seems to be what I am trying - having variables that can change. It also doesn't say how. However, until I understand how to include, it is a bit academic.

When you say " build a blank page (or several of them) to use as templates", are you suggesting that I continue doing what I am doing, that is having one page which I modify in the small bits that change and then copy in?

This works O.K. but doesn't this mean lots of duplicate code? I was trying (perhaps too hopefully) to avoid this.

--
From a confused newbie
Trevor L.


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[Thomas A. Rowe]

You can find the Include Page command under the Insert Menu | Web components.

You can not do what you want using the FP substitute web bot, as you would have to define one for
every heading, and it would be easier to just add the heading directly to each page.

You would have to use/learn ASP, ASP.net, PHP or CFM to accomplish with a database as this would be
a custom application, so you would most likely not find any pre-written code snips.

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Rob,
Thanks again.

I keep getting the message "Don't Use Frames". I am happy to follow that advice.

BUT, how do I include?

I found this on FP help


About using a single source of content on multiple web pages
Embedding a web page on other web pages in a web site

You can display a web page on another page in the web site, allowing you to maintain separate pages.
For example, to display a copyright notice on several pages in a web site, create one page that
contains the copyright notice, and include that page on other pages in the web site. When you update
the copyright notice, you simply update that one page; all other pages that include the copyright
page will be automatically updated.

Creating information that can update automatically

A variable is information displayed on a page that can be set to change or update automatically.
Microsoft FrontPage has four predefined variables that gather information automatically when you put
them on a page:

a.. Author
b.. Modified by
c.. Description
d.. Page URL
You can also define a variable yourself, such as a copyright or a comment.

For example, you want to refer to a product throughout your web site, but the name might change. You
define a variable for the product (you set a name and value, such as Product and My Product's Name
1.0), and then place the variable on your pages. If the product name changes, you simply change the
value of the variable you defined, and then new the product name is automatically displayed in your
web site.


This is what I would like to do, but it doesn't say how !

Help says " For example, ........ include that page on other pages in the web site." But where do I
find the include command - it doesn't say. Maybe it is talking about using shared borders - I don't
know!

The second bit also seems to be what I am trying - having variables that can change. It also
doesn't say how. However, until I understand how to include, it is a bit academic.

When you say " build a blank page (or several of them) to use as templates", are you suggesting
that I continue doing what I am doing, that is having one page which I modify in the small bits that
change and then copy in?

This works O.K. but doesn't this mean lots of duplicate code? I was trying (perhaps too hopefully)
to avoid this.

--
From a confused newbie
Trevor L.


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