after vista install, pc won't boot

A

AMD

using asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe board. 2gb dual channel ram, amdx2 5200+. evga
7800gt pci-e card. 2 wd 10k rpm 74gb in raid 0 on sata 1 and 2. 160gb drive
on sata 3. dvdrw on ide, floppy drive too. bios is set correctly to boot
from the raid 0. sata raid is enabled for sata1 and 2 and disabled for the
rest. so the bios is set properly.

in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the raid
0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the dvd it
won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing, intert system disk etc. shut down
won't work nor will restart. if i say restart then the monitor goes black as
it looses signal, nothing else happens. same thing for shut down.

can anyone please help me out?
 
E

emanon

AMD said:
using asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe board. 2gb dual channel ram, amdx2 5200+. evga
7800gt pci-e card. 2 wd 10k rpm 74gb in raid 0 on sata 1 and 2. 160gb
drive on sata 3. dvdrw on ide, floppy drive too. bios is set correctly to
boot from the raid 0. sata raid is enabled for sata1 and 2 and disabled
for the rest. so the bios is set properly.

in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the
raid 0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the
dvd it won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing, intert system disk etc.
shut down won't work nor will restart. if i say restart then the monitor
goes black as it looses signal, nothing else happens. same thing for shut
down.

can anyone please help me out?
This is normal because

Cha-Ching! Hear the cash register ring!

You need a new computer that is 100% compatible with Vista. Otherwise . . .
 
I

iceeagle

Try loading the nVidia SATA RAID drivers when youare at the partition
selection screen. If you do not have Vista drivers for the SATA
controller, use WinXP drivers.

hth.

-iceeagle
 
R

Roedy Green

in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the raid
0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the dvd it
won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing, intert system disk etc. shut down
won't work nor will restart. if i say restart then the monitor goes black as
it looses signal, nothing else happens. same thing for shut down.

can anyone please help me out?

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/windowsvista.html#WONTBOOT
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
 
A

AMD

iceeagle said:
Try loading the nVidia SATA RAID drivers when youare at the partition
selection screen. If you do not have Vista drivers for the SATA
controller, use WinXP drivers.

hth.

-iceeagle


AMD said:
using asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe board. 2gb dual channel ram, amdx2 5200+.
evga 7800gt pci-e card. 2 wd 10k rpm 74gb in raid 0 on sata 1 and 2.
160gb drive on sata 3. dvdrw on ide, floppy drive too. bios is set
correctly to boot from the raid 0. sata raid is enabled for sata1 and 2
and disabled for the rest. so the bios is set properly.

in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the
raid 0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the
dvd it won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing, intert system disk etc.
shut down won't work nor will restart. if i say restart then the monitor
goes black as it looses signal, nothing else happens. same thing for shut
down.

can anyone please help me out?



vista has built in drivers so i don't need any.
 
A

AMD

Roedy Green said:
see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/windowsvista.html#WONTBOOT
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com


i have already booted from vista dvd using repair. the first time it said
there are issues and repaired. did not help. this was a week ago. then i got
in vista only when the vista dvd is in t8he drive. it stayed this way for a
few days. i then took dvd out and could not boot. booted from dvd using the
repair and it said there are no problems. try to reinstall today and it says
the same problem. system boot failure, insert boot disc. i tried the repair
again and it says no issues. still can't boot though.
 
A

AMD

this board is vista compatible.


emanon said:
This is normal because

Cha-Ching! Hear the cash register ring!

You need a new computer that is 100% compatible with Vista. Otherwise . .
.
 
R

Richard Urban

The problem concerns computers with the following configuration/condition:

1. A computer with multiple hard drives (any mix of S-ATA or P-ATA it
turns out) and a S-ATA drive being used for the operating system install

2. Any of the 2nd, or higher, drives has been setup as having a logical
partition/partitions

3. The user installs Vista by booting from the DVD

When a drive is setup with a logical partition, 8 meg of unallocated space
is reserved at the beginning of the drive.

The Vista installer, it appears, creates a small (corrupted) partition in
the unallocated space
on a 2nd, 3rd or 4th drive. The installer then starts installing boot code
to this partition. I
have used a hex editor and have found this code there. This 8 meg space is
quickly filled
and the installer places the remainder of the code on the disk chosen by the
user for the
Vista install.

I have seen situations where, if the above happens, it will corrupt the 2nd,
3rd or 4th drive
and make it unusable. In these circumstances I have had to delete all
partitions
from the drive and then create/format new partitions. All information on the
drive will have been lost. Again, this occurs only sometimes.

Anyway, the Vista install completes and the user removes the DVD. Upon
startup, the
user finds that Vista will not boot. Vista is looking for the boot code on
the drive where the user had chosen to install Vista (system partition). It
is not there. Part of it resides on another drive where it is not being
accessed/recognized.

If the user puts the DVD into the drive tray, Vista boots fine. Startup
apparently uses code from the DVD.

This should not occur, but it is too late to change the code on the Vista
DVD's at this point. The work around is start fresh, physically
disconnecting
any drive that you do not want the Vista installer to touch. In this way,
all of
the code is written to the desired drive/partition.

Upon arriving at the initial Windows desktop, go to system management | Disk
Management and change the drive letters for your CD drive, DVD drive, USB
drives, card readers etc. to the end of the alphabet. This gets them out of
the way prior to you shutting down the computer and reconnecting your other
drives.

Now, shut down your computer and reconnect your drives. Upon booting to the
desktop, you will see that the new drives are recognized and initialized.
You will also see that the drive letters are in sequence, and not broken up
by the various other drives (you previously moved them). You may be asked to
reboot so the changes can be made permanent. Do so if directed.

The next time you boot to the desktop you can rearrange those re-lettered
drives at the end of the alphabet if you so desire.

Now, I am not certain how pervasive this problem is but I have seen it on
old/new motherboards from 3 major M/B manufacturers. It is not, of course,
going to affect those who purchase a new computer with Vista on it. It
"will" affect those who upgrade or build their own computers, as these are
the users who are more likely to have multiple drives installed in their
machines.

I hope this has been of help to you.


--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
A

andy

using asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe board. 2gb dual channel ram, amdx2 5200+. evga
7800gt pci-e card. 2 wd 10k rpm 74gb in raid 0 on sata 1 and 2. 160gb drive
on sata 3. dvdrw on ide, floppy drive too. bios is set correctly to boot
from the raid 0. sata raid is enabled for sata1 and 2 and disabled for the
rest. so the bios is set properly.

in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the raid
0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the dvd it
won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing, intert system disk etc. shut down
won't work nor will restart. if i say restart then the monitor goes black as
it looses signal, nothing else happens. same thing for shut down.

can anyone please help me out?
Which disk does the Disk Management snap-in identify as containing the
system partition? That's the disk that the BIOS should boot.
 
D

Don

AMD wrote:
....
in the vista install it finds the hard drives fine. so i install to the raid
0 drives. it boots fine after the install. as soon as i take out the dvd it
won't boot anymore. says boot mgr missing...

I see you've already had several replies, but I think Richard Urban's
advice is most likely to be correct, so give it a go.
 
A

AMD

andy said:
Which disk does the Disk Management snap-in identify as containing the
system partition? That's the disk that the BIOS should boot.

The raid 0 is the boot drive and is where vista installs to. In the bios it
is set for that raid 0 drive3 to boot from as the first drive in boot order.
the secondary drive is set up as drive 2, not one and not to boot from of
course.

i have reformatted all drives before.

Richard Urban says you need to disconnect the second drive and then once in
vista you have to change drive letters? Why? i still don't get it. also
you'd then have to do this every time you install vista? I'vew not had this
issue at all using the beta vista and an older motherboard. the asus a8n sli
deluxe board did not have this issue at all. on that board i installed onto
the single drive as it didn't have raid drivers for that boards raid. worked
fine. then i got raid beta drivers from silicon for that board and installed
vista once on that raid. it did not have this problem.

so could that mean it is not fully compatible with the raid on the board i
have now? and if i got on floppy the raid drivers from asus for this board
that vista may not have problems?

Richards info to me seems complex and a tiny bit confusing. doable though.

i also want to thank you guys a lot.
 
A

AMD

Richard Urban said:
The problem concerns computers with the following configuration/condition:

1. A computer with multiple hard drives (any mix of S-ATA or P-ATA it
turns out) and a S-ATA drive being used for the operating system install

2. Any of the 2nd, or higher, drives has been setup as having a logical
partition/partitions

3. The user installs Vista by booting from the DVD

When a drive is setup with a logical partition, 8 meg of unallocated space
is reserved at the beginning of the drive.

The Vista installer, it appears, creates a small (corrupted) partition in
the unallocated space
on a 2nd, 3rd or 4th drive. The installer then starts installing boot code
to this partition. I
have used a hex editor and have found this code there. This 8 meg space is
quickly filled
and the installer places the remainder of the code on the disk chosen by
the
user for the
Vista install.

I have seen situations where, if the above happens, it will corrupt the
2nd,
3rd or 4th drive
and make it unusable. In these circumstances I have had to delete all
partitions
from the drive and then create/format new partitions. All information on
the
drive will have been lost. Again, this occurs only sometimes.

Anyway, the Vista install completes and the user removes the DVD. Upon
startup, the
user finds that Vista will not boot. Vista is looking for the boot code on
the drive where the user had chosen to install Vista (system partition).
It
is not there. Part of it resides on another drive where it is not being
accessed/recognized.

If the user puts the DVD into the drive tray, Vista boots fine. Startup
apparently uses code from the DVD.

This should not occur, but it is too late to change the code on the Vista
DVD's at this point. The work around is start fresh, physically
disconnecting
any drive that you do not want the Vista installer to touch. In this way,
all of
the code is written to the desired drive/partition.

Upon arriving at the initial Windows desktop, go to system management |
Disk
Management and change the drive letters for your CD drive, DVD drive, USB
drives, card readers etc. to the end of the alphabet. This gets them out
of
the way prior to you shutting down the computer and reconnecting your
other
drives.

Now, shut down your computer and reconnect your drives. Upon booting to
the
desktop, you will see that the new drives are recognized and initialized.
You will also see that the drive letters are in sequence, and not broken
up
by the various other drives (you previously moved them). You may be asked
to
reboot so the changes can be made permanent. Do so if directed.

The next time you boot to the desktop you can rearrange those re-lettered
drives at the end of the alphabet if you so desire.

Now, I am not certain how pervasive this problem is but I have seen it on
old/new motherboards from 3 major M/B manufacturers. It is not, of course,
going to affect those who purchase a new computer with Vista on it. It
"will" affect those who upgrade or build their own computers, as these are
the users who are more likely to have multiple drives installed in their
machines.

I hope this has been of help to you.


--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

oh yeah, i have disconnected the second drive while installing vista and the
same problem happens.
 
J

John Barnes

I agree. Some mobo's have problems installing, especially when there is a
mix of drives (PATA SATA even SATAII). Best only to have the drive (SATA or
RAID) that Vista is going to be installed on when you have problems of this
sort.
 
A

AMD

John Barnes said:
I agree. Some mobo's have problems installing, especially when there is a
mix of drives (PATA SATA even SATAII). Best only to have the drive (SATA
or RAID) that Vista is going to be installed on when you have problems of
this sort.

Which I have. I've installed only with the raid, same problem.
 
J

John Barnes

Do you have more than one partition on the your RAID setup? Where is the
Boot file? Check you partitions for which is active.
 
A

AMD

John Barnes said:
Do you have more than one partition on the your RAID setup? Where is the
Boot file? Check you partitions for which is active.

I have only one partition. Vista has reformated and also I've deleted the
partition and installed that way without formatting it. So I have delete
partition so none is there. format so one only is there. install vista, same
issue. then i have tried deleting the partition, but not formatting. then i
install vista.

always the same issue.
 
A

AMD

Richard Urban said:
The problem concerns computers with the following configuration/condition:

1. A computer with multiple hard drives (any mix of S-ATA or P-ATA it
turns out) and a S-ATA drive being used for the operating system install

2. Any of the 2nd, or higher, drives has been setup as having a logical
partition/partitions

3. The user installs Vista by booting from the DVD

When a drive is setup with a logical partition, 8 meg of unallocated space
is reserved at the beginning of the drive.

The Vista installer, it appears, creates a small (corrupted) partition in
the unallocated space
on a 2nd, 3rd or 4th drive. The installer then starts installing boot code
to this partition. I
have used a hex editor and have found this code there. This 8 meg space is
quickly filled
and the installer places the remainder of the code on the disk chosen by
the
user for the
Vista install.

I have seen situations where, if the above happens, it will corrupt the
2nd,
3rd or 4th drive
and make it unusable. In these circumstances I have had to delete all
partitions
from the drive and then create/format new partitions. All information on
the
drive will have been lost. Again, this occurs only sometimes.

Anyway, the Vista install completes and the user removes the DVD. Upon
startup, the
user finds that Vista will not boot. Vista is looking for the boot code on
the drive where the user had chosen to install Vista (system partition).
It
is not there. Part of it resides on another drive where it is not being
accessed/recognized.

If the user puts the DVD into the drive tray, Vista boots fine. Startup
apparently uses code from the DVD.

This should not occur, but it is too late to change the code on the Vista
DVD's at this point. The work around is start fresh, physically
disconnecting
any drive that you do not want the Vista installer to touch. In this way,
all of
the code is written to the desired drive/partition.

Upon arriving at the initial Windows desktop, go to system management |
Disk
Management and change the drive letters for your CD drive, DVD drive, USB
drives, card readers etc. to the end of the alphabet. This gets them out
of
the way prior to you shutting down the computer and reconnecting your
other
drives.

Now, shut down your computer and reconnect your drives. Upon booting to
the
desktop, you will see that the new drives are recognized and initialized.
You will also see that the drive letters are in sequence, and not broken
up
by the various other drives (you previously moved them). You may be asked
to
reboot so the changes can be made permanent. Do so if directed.

The next time you boot to the desktop you can rearrange those re-lettered
drives at the end of the alphabet if you so desire.

Now, I am not certain how pervasive this problem is but I have seen it on
old/new motherboards from 3 major M/B manufacturers. It is not, of course,
going to affect those who purchase a new computer with Vista on it. It
"will" affect those who upgrade or build their own computers, as these are
the users who are more likely to have multiple drives installed in their
machines.

I hope this has been of help to you.


--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

So where you at Richard? I don't even know if you'll see this post, but here
goes to you and everyone else out there.

I've been talking to MS on the phone using the free support option I have.
They have had to escelate it once and this guy doesn't have a clue yet. He's
only been able to suggest things I've already done.

Well to be honest there's one thing I did not do untill last night. I
physically disconnected the backup drive and Vista worked fine. I did not do
this before as I disabled the drive from the bios so I figure that was the
same because the drive is disabled. Guess not, or something, I dunno. Well I
installed Vista. It started for the first time. Did the auto windows update
and I said restart. It restarted fine. Booted fine too. So I did a shut down
and it worked and booted fine. Then I shut down, physically reconnect the
sata cable and booted fine. I restarted ok too. Did another shutdown and
boot and it worked. I didn't need to change any drive letters or anything
for this whole process.

Now, what does all of this tell us? And is the only fix a new Vista install
dvd that MS has fixed? Yeah, like that would ever happen. :(
 
D

Don

AMD wrote:
....
Well to be honest there's one thing I did not do untill last night. I
physically disconnected the backup drive and Vista worked fine. I did not do
this before as I disabled the drive from the bios so I figure that was the
same because the drive is disabled. Guess not...

That's very useful info. I've seen it suggested in this group that
disabling a disk in the BIOS would be adequate, but you just proved
otherwise.

[success story snipped for brevity]
Now, what does all of this tell us? And is the only fix a new Vista install
dvd that MS has fixed? Yeah, like that would ever happen. :(

Yes, that's exactly what's needed and it *will* happen -- but certainly
not before SP1. A bug this bad will hurt sales, and that is the one
thing you can count on to get a bug fixed. I think this bug slipped
through because SATA drives were still new during the development phase
of Vista, but now they are being shipped as standard equipment on retail
consumer machines.
 
R

Richard Urban

Hmmn! I thought I told you to physically "disconnect" (not disable in bios)
all but the drive you were installing to.

Any way, glad you are finally running.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
A

AMD

Don said:
AMD wrote:
...
Well to be honest there's one thing I did not do untill last night. I
physically disconnected the backup drive and Vista worked fine. I did not
do
this before as I disabled the drive from the bios so I figure that was
the
same because the drive is disabled. Guess not...

That's very useful info. I've seen it suggested in this group that
disabling a disk in the BIOS would be adequate, but you just proved
otherwise.

[success story snipped for brevity]
Now, what does all of this tell us? And is the only fix a new Vista
install
dvd that MS has fixed? Yeah, like that would ever happen. :(

Yes, that's exactly what's needed and it *will* happen -- but certainly
not before SP1. A bug this bad will hurt sales, and that is the one
thing you can count on to get a bug fixed. I think this bug slipped
through because SATA drives were still new during the development phase
of Vista, but now they are being shipped as standard equipment on retail
consumer machines.


Thanks for the message Don.

How can we all know if MS will fix this bug? How can we know if MS even
knows of this problem? How would I know if it is in new install dvd's like
say when SP1 is released? Because I will be able to get Windows Vista
Ultimate with SP1 included. I have the Windows XP Pro with SP2 included
install cd. So I'd get Vista with SP1 if MS releases it after SP1 is out.
 

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