Advice for building a computer

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Bad Disciple

Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best
processors?
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is
better than the normal ?
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?
Or is there anything new?
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC ?

Thanks for feedback
 
N

Noozer

Bad Disciple said:
Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the
best processors?

Personally, I think the AMD X2 processors are currently the best, but Intels
new stuff isn't bad. Don't think you can go wrong either way as long as you
get a RECENT processor.
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is
better than the normal ?

Depends on what kind of RAID you mean. RAID0 can speed up operations, but
most users don't see this. If you lose one hard drive, the other is useless
as well.

RAID 1 mirrors your data, so if one drive fails, you still have the second
drive. For every data drive, you need a second drive to hold a mirror.

RAID 5 combindes the benefits of RAID 0, with the redundancy of RAID 1. You
don't need one mirror drive for each data drive with RAID 5. You really need
several drives for this to be worthwhile. (ie, I set up a RAID 5 array using
8 SATA drives - 7 data and one redundant drive)
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?

ASUS is good... Wouldn't say leading.
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?

If speed is what you're after, get a 10k RPM drive for C:. Obviously a
bigger cache is better. SATA is the way to go as well. PATA is only good if
you're upgrading an older machine without SATA, or mounting the drive in a
PATA USB enclosure.
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC
?

MAC isn't more reliable, it's just strangled by Apple. They control the
hardware, so there are less variables in the equation. Get equivilent
quality hardware/software for your PC and it will be just as reliable.

Lastly... Try posting to LESS groups. No need to spam every group on the
planet.
 
G

GT

Bad Disciple said:
Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the
best processors?

No, not valid to think that anymore - AMD vs Intel is an ongoing argument
and right now, its basically personal preference
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is
better than the normal ?

Depends what you mean by better? There are different RAID options, so a RAID
can be faster, or more reliable, or more expensive, or noisier!
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?
pass

-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?

More cache doesn't guarantee the drive will be faster. Neither does a faster
spin speed, but typically this is the case. The faster the drive, the hotter
it gets, the noisier it is and the more power it uses.

HD Brand is personal experience. Samsung spinpoint drives are virtually
silent. I personally like Western Digital as I have owned 4 and never had
any trouble - my 10 year old 850MB drive is no longer used, but still works.
My 80GB Maxtor was replaced twice under warranty and now relegated to a
'living room pc' because I don't trust it. I have had trouble with IBM
drives, but many people love them etc. Read reviews online, compare prices
and most of all - decide what you want before you do any of this!

Or is there anything new?
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC
?

Personal prefernce again

The PC is for a recording studio, so does it need to be quiet? Because if
you get a fast, power hungry PC + a 10,000rpm hard disk or two, then it is
going to sound like an annoying whiney hair dryer! Something else to think
about before you start speccing anything. You can get silent coolers etc,
but the faster the processors get, the more expensive the 'fancy' coolers
get.

How fast do you need it to be? Do you want 3D power for games? Or just
windows power for multimedia processing? What will be new computer be
replacing - how fast is you current system?
 
B

Bob

No, not valid to think that anymore - AMD vs Intel is an ongoing argument
and right now, its basically personal preference

I think you should consider the Celeron D. It's the P4 that has a
smaller cache. I have the 2.4 GHz and my son has the 3.2 GHz P4 and I
can run Shrink just as fast as he can. In fact for home entertainment,
music, DVDs, etc, I can't find anything his machine can beat my
machine at - except price (we both built our own machines).
Depends what you mean by better? There are different RAID options, so a RAID
can be faster, or more reliable, or more expensive, or noisier!

RAID won't take care of the case where you install something that
craps all over your system. The only way to deal with that is an
archive backup. I use removable bays and keep two generations of
archive backups plus I run NTBACKUP for differential backups every 24
hours.

SMART will warn you of the possibility for a crash so you will have
time to prepare for it. RAID is for servers - not personal computers.
I personally like Western Digital as I have owned 4 and never had
any trouble

I will second that. I use WD exclusively for the past 15 years and
have never had a problem.
 
R

Rod Speed

Bad Disciple said:
I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home
Studio. I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

Is that last the same as tears before bedtime ?
-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best processors?

I still prefer them myself.
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs) is better
than the normal ?

It can be faster, but is more hassle and not warranted
with modern hard drives except in special situations.
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?

Thats arguable, but I still prefer them myself.
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest;

You wouldnt be able to pick the cache size in a proper double blind trial.
and ATA or S-ATA

SATA does give you more future, we are already starting
to see motherboards with just one ATA port, two drives,
and one of those is usually needed for the optical drive.
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ?

I stick with the 7200 myself.
Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ? Or is there anything new?

I prefer Samsungs myself, very quiet. They are slower to
release the bigger drives tho, currently only 400G max.
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC ?

Nope. Tho you may find that in that specialised area the Mac is better covered.
 
A

Alan Kakareka

SMART will warn you of the possibility for a crash so you will have
time to prepare for it. RAID is for servers - not personal computers.

Bad news is SMART will not warn you when integrated circuit chhip is about
to burn.

--
Alan Kakareka
Data Recovery Service
786-253-8286 cell
http://www.247recovery.com
--
 
B

Bob

Bad news is SMART will not warn you when integrated circuit chhip is about
to burn.

Won't you be able to tell from the temperature reported by SMART that
something is wrong?
 
S

saddam

Bad said:
I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.

Is that a brand name, or is it just a pretentous or improper way of
writing "music recording home studio" that's popular in business school
and the advertising biz? ;)
is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best processors?

AMD's just as good and could be cheaper.
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is better than the normal ?

More redundancy is better than less redundancy when it comes to data
storage, and RAID 1 (mirroring) is so cheap that' it's the least I'd
use. But don't believe for a moment that RAID eliminates the need for
backups, and backups are far cheaper than any data recovery service. I
know someone who paid $1100 to get data recovered, and that was from an
HD that was physically and electronically intact, and I've heard $3000
isn't unusual if the HD is damaged. In comparison a spare 200GB HD can
be bought for as little as $50, a whole computer with a couple of large
HDs for $500.
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?

By number of motherboards sold, yes. By quality and support,
Supermicro may be better but not by enough to be worth extra $.
Personally I buy whatever is on sale at Fry's, even PC Chips shit, and
if it doesn't have Japanese capacitors in the voltage converters I
recap it. Asus also has a budget brand, Asrock, that's good.
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?
Or is there anything new?

Boy, do those 10000 and 15000 RPM HDs run hot! Do a good job cooling
them -- fan blowing in front, an inch of space around each drive, etc.
Actually that's not a bad idea even for 7200 RPM HDs. Again, I buy
whatever is on sale but prefer Seagate because of the 5-year warranty.

If you're going to BYO, don't overlook the power supply. Trust me - 9
out of 10 users find that their computers run better with a power
supply than without one. The best may be PC Power & Cooling and
Seasonic, the latter also sold as Antec's Neo HE series, but if you're
on a budget, Fortron-Sparkle, also very good. Just don't buy crap sold
more for style (lighted fans, platinum plating on the case, cobra skin
sleeving over the cables, etc.) than substance, and don't rely on
reviews where 700W supplies are tested at just 200W and then pronounced
as "Kicks Ass!" Instead look for qualified reviewers who try to
destroy power supplies with monster loads and who sometimes succeed in
doing just that.
 
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Bob

More redundancy is better than less redundancy when it comes to data
storage, and RAID 1 (mirroring) is so cheap that' it's the least I'd
use. But don't believe for a moment that RAID eliminates the need for
backups, and backups are far cheaper than any data recovery service.

Enermax used to make a nifty unit but discontinued it for a while.
It's called the DynaBacker. It is a combination RAID 1 mirroring plus
backup unit. You put two disks in and let it build the mirror. Then
when it's time to do the backup, you just remove the mirror disk and
put a new disk in to make a new mirror. The old mirror becomes your
backup.

I was unable to get the company to send me a third tray that would
work so I had to swap the disks manually. That's a bummer. When I
found out that they planned to discontinue the unit I returned mine
and now rely on removable bays (I never used the DynaBacker for RAID
anyway, only backups).

If they have fixed the problems I would recommend getting the SATA
unit because there are no connector issues with SATA and it has a much
smaller footprint. Who knows - they may even have an extra tray that
works so you can make backups more easily.

Call Maxpoint (aka "EnermaxUSA") at 1-888-363-7629 and ask for Tom.
 
J

John

Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.
-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best
processors?

I just built one. Ive got 3 PCs and maintain a few for neighbors and
friends so I just went through that with their PCs too. My two main
PCs consist of an AMD X2 diual core and an AMD single core 3200.

Heres the lowdown on the processors. AMDs seemed to get the edge the
last year or so. Most sites seemed to be leaning towards AMD and dual
cores are really popular. Thats why I bought all AMDs. However, the
buzz now is INTEL is coming out with a whole new line starting in July
--- especially the conroes that have been claimed to have killer
performance much faster than the AMDs supposedly. Whether they will be
much more expensive too will be another factor obviously. However some
claim theyll be moderately priced ones that may be hot cause INTEL
wants to stop their eroding mkt share to AMD.

AMD also has intro-ed their new line AM2 which uses DDR2 instead of
the DDR. The problem is --- that seems like the main difference. The
previews have said there isnt a whole lot of difference between AM2s
and comparable X2s so people are expecting all the excitement to go to
INTEL and there are rumors of huge price cuts for AMD very soon
because Conroe etc will be coming out. Intel is also cutting the price
of their old stuff clearing it out supposedly starting in July. Ive
read AMD is really hustling though to move to the 65 nm process I
suppose to catch up to INTEL hopefully - if the hype is true of the
conroe line etc, by the end of this year or mid next year.

So you might want to wait for the ending part of July and see if there
are any deep AMD price cuts on their AM2 and X2 939 lines , deep cuts
on older Pents or a hot new lower end Conroe.

For the existing CPUs ---- AMD X2s are great , Ive got one as I said
but look for possible big price cuts in July. If you are into OCing
the hot chip maybe the Pent 805D which has been hyped everywhere. Its
an older Pent dual core super budget chip hitting almost 100 now I
think and maybe lower this month which OCs insanely high. Its been
talked about ad nauseum everywhere.

MUSIC PC
I bought the 1212m recording card and posted a super long thing on it
at one forum. Heres the thing --- several DAW sites were abuzz with
claims that tests show nforce4 boards had a weird problem with
latency. Much worse than nforce3 or older Pent boards. Even the newer
Pent boards werent as bad as the nforce4 but they were claimed to have
a problem too. The fix with some newer Intels was use a wimpier video
card. I guess dont use a high end card. With AMDs --- there were long
threads at music sites about it with technical tests showing the
problem. I didnt follow the thread over the year everyone was talking
about it but from what I could tell the main solution was USE A DUAL
CORE X2 AMD. That was claimed to be a fix. Im not sure if later
revision nforce4 boards fixed the problem too or if there were other
fixes but thats all i know. That was one of the main reasons I
switched over to X2 and also upgraded my 2nd PC to a nforce3 3200 AMD
64 just in case. I actually want to upgrade it again to a dual core
Pent 805D.

So it depends on how much you want to spend. The cheapest deal at the
moment would be a Pent 805D Ive seen some Abit boards as low as $59
for it. The mainthing will be -- how low the AMDX2s will go this month
and if there will be a cheap budget conroe.

Its good to get at least 1 gig or 2 gigs.
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is better than the normal ?

Anandtech and Storage Review had a blurb --- both seemed to say forget
the RAID 0 performance boost claims. Anandtech did various tests like
game loading etc and found little or no performace gains contrary to
popular belief and he pointed your risks of losing everything is much
higher when you use raid 0. Thats the main one people use for
performance supposed performance gain.

I tried it and had a disaster so after reading such blurbs decided to
forget about Raid 0. Strange thing is TOMS HARDWARE still seems to
hype RAID for performace for game machines etc.
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?

You dont really need super duper disks for a music machine. If you
want a fast disk , the relatively expensive Raptors are still very
popular and good. They are dinky for the price though in size.
You can get large PATAs which I still mostly use for almost dirt
cheap. The thing about PATAs --- they are still very good , 7200 rpm
and large sizes of 160-200 were selling for ridiculous prices after
rebate for years. Unfortunately with the Seagate takeover of Maxtor
and inflation pressures and stores in the US phasing out a lot of
rebate deep discount sales , prices have actually gone UP in the
bottom end. I routinely got 160-200 giggers for 19-29 bucks, became a
bit boring. However now prices are around 49-59 after rebate nowadays.
SATA though has come down a bit but not as much as Id like. If you
want to get a bit better drive though the PATAs are fine , the
Hitachis and Seagates and WDs are OK.

The Hitachis and some of the 16 meg cache newer Seagate, WDs have been
reviewed well and I have a Hitachi sata 8 meg cache and subjectively
it does feel a bit better than my 6 PATAS -- WDs, Seagates and one
Maxtor. I like the Seagates cause they have 5 year warranties.
However ALL the brands have been bashed. Many still bash Maxtor, more
and more bash WD and now there are people who avoid the current series
of Seagate drives especially the large capacity ones after they seemed
to have some real bad ones which were bashed at AMAZON by consumer
reviewers. Ive never had any problems in recent years with all my
WDs, seagates and Maxtors or Hitachis.

Or is there anything new?
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC ?

Get a PC ! Youll have options for lots more parts and cheaper parts
etc. Those days are kind of over though you still have some people
saying it , I hardly ever hear that anymore unlike the old days.

For music cards

Budget end --- EMU 0404 $100 or less
Audiophile 2496 which is an older card but
still decent
Mid level - EMU 1212m $180-200
Audiophile 192 $180-200

These dont have tons of inputs but do have midi etc.
Theres another card that has 8 INS but no midi I think if you need
a lot of inputs at one time for live band recording. I think it was
made by Maudio too around $180 or so.
 
J

John

My current system is:

ASUS P4B 533(-E) - Intel P4 2,4Ghz 533 FSB - 1.5GB RAM - 4 MAXTOR

HDs, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache (2 on RAID 0, +1 to data storage, +1 backup).

All with 500W power supply.

I see people recording with fairly modest systems. I would put a music
card in your system and try it out. It might be all you need for now.
Of course it all depends on what you are doing, If you are trying to
lay down 30-40 tracks with effects etc sure you might need a pretty
high end system but I dont really see a lot of people whining about
their system not being up to their music projects unless its a really
old or wimpy system nowadays.

I do see that there are some people who have some conflict problems
etc with EMU cards and software and maybe some other cards. If you
look on the forums youll see some people seem to have a lot of
problems.

So I can get an ASUS (or good equivalent) motherboard, Intel or ADM CPU,
the maximum possible RAM memory, Samsung HDs for silence, 10000rpm,
16 MB cache, 2 HDs on RAID 0 for my OS and programs (+ another HD to
store data + another one to backup). I must decide if RAID 0 with two HDs,
or RAID 5 with more HDs, as I don't know if the difference in speed will
justify the price for several HDs (and the box). And I guess backing up my system
should prevent failures, I only don't know what's best for system backup.

Since all you have to do is go out and buy a music card/software try
that first. I think even if you do decided to upgrade , try two decent
SATAs or raptor or other 10K rpm disk - one for the music stuff and
the other for the OS and try it without raid first. If it works well
why bother with raid for performance?
 
J

John

Just to point out that, in music recording and processing, the speed is
vitally important. So, whatever I can do for speed, I'll do it and it still will
never be enough!

check some sites out

http://www.adkproaudio.com/

Their configurations offer PATAs with SATA and Raptors and options.
The ones I checked dont have raid.

Heres another well known site with fairly modest specs
http://www.sweetwater.com/creation_station/tower.php

See only on their top system do they offer 2 "raid ready" drives.
http://www.sweetwater.com/creation_station/rack.php
All their systems use this except for the top one with the 2 raid
ready drives.
Glyph Seagate 80GB & 200GB SATA
 
M

Merrill P. L. Worthington

Computer speed is everything with recording. A recording computer needs
a very fast A/D converter and the ability to write the data fast to a
hard drive.

Processor performance will depend on the application you're using. To
get an idea of relative performance, Tom's Hardware has a CPU comparison
chart that includes some encoding appplications. See

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

for more details.

Using two WD 250g SATA II drives with 16mb cache in RAID0 with a fast
processor makes for a wickedly fast system. But for recording /
encoding, two gb of system memory will provide good system cache for
write buffering (if the app is configured to use it).

At the current price of WD 320gb drives, that might be a consderation
for the "data" drive. Doesn't matter if the data drive is SATA or PATA
since the read or write time for either is still much slower than the
bandwidth of PATA.

MLPW
 
K

kony

Just to point out that, in music recording and processing, the speed is
vitally important. So, whatever I can do for speed, I'll do it and it still will
never be enough!

Depends on the job. A Pentium 2 can record music fine. It
takes a lower-speed Pentium 3 (or equivalent) to record MP3
realtime. Multi-track recording may depend on the
compression level (or lack thereof) but more important, the
hard drive (presuming it is the destination for the files)
write speed which has nothing to do with rest of system
(given anywhere near a remotely modern system, above ATA33
or ATA66 for the more demanding work).

Processing it later is another story, it will depend a lot
on the particular jobs. Again the HDD speed tends to matter
a lot no matter what else you're doing, unless it were a
rare case of importing or outputting highly compressed
format like MP3, but that is seldom considered, nobody doing
serious work would be touching such formats in general
except for some kind of download service or to play on a
portable player.
That's why people in my branch use to say that Mac is more
reliable, which I very often hear to be contradicted. Budget is not a
problem

Reliability is pretty much a nonsense concept, either
hardware platform will be fine, you merely choose a well
written application, and audio is not a new frontier, either
platform can do it fine so it comes down to your personal
preference or needs.

My current system is:

ASUS P4B 533(-E) - Intel P4 2,4Ghz 533 FSB - 1.5GB RAM - 4 MAXTOR

HDs, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache (2 on RAID 0, +1 to data storage, +1 backup).

All with 500W power supply.

So where is the bottleneck? Without knowing this, there's
little we can do to suggest an upgrade. The described
system should record audio and edit it fine, in general.
So I can get an ASUS (or good equivalent) motherboard, Intel or ADM CPU,

the maximum possible RAM memory, Samsung HDs for silence, 10000rpm,

16 MB cache, 2 HDs on RAID 0 for my OS and programs (+ another HD to

store data + another one to backup). I must decide if RAID 0 with two HDs,

or RAID 5 with more HDs, as I don't know if the difference in speed will
justify

the price for several HDs (and the box). And I guess backing up my system

should prevent failures, I only don't know what's best for system backup.



I ask myself is it worth replacing my current system and how much better I'll
get ?

No, it's not worth replacing your system until you can
pinpoint an area that needs improvement. That does not mean
there could not be one, but randomly replacing a system
without a clear need makes little sense.
 
A

Amanda

Bad said:
Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best
processors?
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is
better than the normal ?
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?
Or is there anything new?
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC ?

Thanks for feedback
 
B

Bad Disciple

You guys are marvelous! Thank you all for your cool feedback.



Just to point out that, in music recording and processing, the speed is
vitally

important. So, whatever I can do for speed, I'll do it and it still will
never

be enough! That's why people in my branch use to say that Mac is more

reliable, which I very often hear to be contradicted. Budget is not a
problem

but want to keep it at reasonable level.



My current system is:

ASUS P4B 533(-E) - Intel P4 2,4Ghz 533 FSB - 1.5GB RAM - 4 MAXTOR

HDs, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache (2 on RAID 0, +1 to data storage, +1 backup).

All with 500W power supply.



So I can get an ASUS (or good equivalent) motherboard, Intel or ADM CPU,

the maximum possible RAM memory, Samsung HDs for silence, 10000rpm,

16 MB cache, 2 HDs on RAID 0 for my OS and programs (+ another HD to

store data + another one to backup). I must decide if RAID 0 with two HDs,

or RAID 5 with more HDs, as I don't know if the difference in speed will
justify

the price for several HDs (and the box). And I guess backing up my system

should prevent failures, I only don't know what's best for system backup.



I ask myself is it worth replacing my current system and how much better I'll
get ?
 
B

Bad Disciple

You guys are marvelous! Thank you all for your cool feedback.

Just to point out that, in music recording and processing, the speed is
vitally
important. So, whatever I can do for speed, I'll do it and it still will
never
be enough! That's why people in my branch use to say that Mac is more
reliable, which I very often hear to be contradicted. Budget is not a
problem
but want to keep it at reasonable level.

My current system is:
ASUS P4B 533(-E) - Intel P4 2,4Ghz 533 FSB - 1.5GB RAM - 4 MAXTOR
HDs, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache (2 on RAID 0, +1 to data storage, +1 backup).
All with 500W power supply.

So I can get an ASUS (or good equivalent) motherboard, Intel or ADM CPU,
the maximum possible RAM memory, Samsung HDs for silence, 10000rpm,
16 MB cache, 2 HDs on RAID 0 for my OS and programs (+ another HD to
store data + another one to backup). I must decide if RAID 0 with two HDs,
or RAID 5 with more HDs, as I don't know if the difference in speed will
justify
the price for several HDs (and the box). And I guess backing up my system
should prevent failures, I only don't know what's best for system backup.

I ask myself is it worth replacing my current system and how much better
I'll get ?
 
W

WindsorFox

Bad said:
Hi everybody,

I am about to build my next computer for my Music Recording Home Studio.
I'm quite 'handy' for doing this (I've already built two computers in the
past)
but I need help with the newest cry of the tech.

-1st question, is it still valid to believe that Intel Pentium are the best
processors?

Intel haven't been "the best" for at least 6 years :p
-Next, is it still true that putting 2 HDs in a RAID (for OS and programs)
is
better than the normal ?

In the proper configuration it can be faster or more reliable or a
little of both. You decide which is better.
-Next, is ASUS still the leading name for mother boards?

I't one of a number of good boards. Some better, some not it
depends on the particular model and what you are looking for. There are
quite a lot of review sites out there. Read some reviews to determine
what is best for you particular use.
-Next, are Hard Discs with 8 or 16 MB cache the fastest; and ATA or S-ATA
and 7200rpm or 10000rpm is to prefer ? Best label, WD, Maxtor etc. ?

10,000RPM SCSI is prob still the fastest, 10,000RPM anything will be
fasterbut pricey. When I built my new NASA killer in April all the
rsearch I did pointed to SATA2 not being any faster than the comparable
IDE drive. THe ones with the higher speed and bigger cache are faster
and usually have the longer warranty.
Or is there anything new?
-And finally the eternal question, is a Mac still more reliable than a PC ?

I never saw a Mac as more reliable. Better in some ways for some
tasks, maybe, easier for some people to use but not particularly more
reliable.
 
W

WindsorFox

Bad said:
You guys are marvelous! Thank you all for your cool feedback.

Just to point out that, in music recording and processing, the speed is
vitally
important. So, whatever I can do for speed, I'll do it and it still will
never
be enough! That's why people in my branch use to say that Mac is more
reliable, which I very often hear to be contradicted. Budget is not a
problem
but want to keep it at reasonable level.

My current system is:
ASUS P4B 533(-E) - Intel P4 2,4Ghz 533 FSB - 1.5GB RAM - 4 MAXTOR
HDs, 7200rpm, 8 MB cache (2 on RAID 0, +1 to data storage, +1 backup).
All with 500W power supply.

So I can get an ASUS (or good equivalent) motherboard, Intel or ADM CPU,
the maximum possible RAM memory, Samsung HDs for silence, 10000rpm,
16 MB cache, 2 HDs on RAID 0 for my OS and programs (+ another HD to
store data + another one to backup). I must decide if RAID 0 with two HDs,
or RAID 5 with more HDs, as I don't know if the difference in speed will
justify
the price for several HDs (and the box). And I guess backing up my system
should prevent failures, I only don't know what's best for system backup.

I ask myself is it worth replacing my current system and how much better
I'll get ?

I replaced mine more because I wanted to, but also it would not do what
I wanted to do. What you listed *should* do what you want, if you have
some type of problem you should figure out what it is, as the new system
may do it too. In my case I wanted to play Elder Scrolls - Oblivion at
full detail, so I upgraded.
 
V

VanShania

Intel new coreduo2 dual core processors are the best for now but from what
was said in other newsgroups, the motherboards don't have a lot of
expandbility(2 pci slots only). If you can wait till Feb March 2007 as price
of cpus should drop again. Amd has the most expandability if thats what you
also need and will be cheaper than Intel. I actually believed that but found
there were some stability issues. Could just be Gigabyte. It does help with
large file transfers though. Other wise just stick to non-raid. When using
SATA drives( as you should be because they are faster, cheaper, than the
soon to be obsolete IDE/PATA drives) you still want to load your raid
drivers as I have found it makes for a rock stable computer. Asus has had
severals complaints about their motherboards and you might want to look at
MSI if they have a motherboard that suits your purposes.If you can get the
16mb cache drives as VISTA will run better in case you decide to upgrade to
that OS. The 10000 drives are expensive but if you got the cash, go for it.
They are Western Digital Raptors. Otherwise Stick to the Western Digital
Raid Edition drives that have had the best reviews. Stay away from MAC. Guy
from work bought one and I'm sure the OS X works great but when running XP,
it did nothing but crash. OS X is also slower at tasks than XP and for
games, the MAC doesn't do well either.

--
Love and Teach, Not Yell and Beat
Stop Violence and Child Abuse

A64 3500+, Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 motherboard
All-in-Wonder 9800Pro 128mb AGP
X-Fi Extreme Music,Antec 550 watt,Thermaltake Lanfire
2 Gb Dual Channel PC3200 OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5 CL2.5
2XSATA WD 320gb Raid Edition, PATA WD 120Gb HD
Pioneer 110D, 111D, Liteon 1693 Dual Layer burners
XP Media Centre Edition 2005
Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 Joystick
Logitech optical mouse
19 in Viewsonic A91f+
BenchMark 2001 SE- 19074
Games I'm Playing- Falcon 4, SP:WAW
 

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