Adding 2003 DC to W2K Domain???

[Peckham]

I've got a small W2K domain: Two W2K DCs, both running DNS, and there are
about 100 clients. I've purchased a new server with 2003 installed on it.
I would like to add it to the directory.

Trying to do so with dcpromo prompts me to run adprep prior to having the
2003 server be brought up as a DC; first with the /forestprep switch, and
then with the /domainprep switch.

Since this is a small domain, and not part of a forest, there is no schema
master. I can add one of course, but I wonder if it is necessary to run
adprep /forestprep since there isn't a forest to prepare?

Second, another possible install method might be to just run dcpromo with
the /adv switch. I can create a system state backup and point to it (or
burn it on a CD). I am not sure if 2003 can read/use the W2K system state
data, nor do I know if this would be any benefit.
Any suggestions on how to best pull this off would be appreciated.

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Peckham

 

[Mike Aubert]

Even if you only have a single domain you also have a forest. It's just that
your forest is only made up of one domain. This support article contains the
steps to prepare the forest/domain:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;278875

Also, here is an article on how to locate each of the operations masters:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;234790

The install from media feature requires the system state backup be made from
a Windows Server 2003 domain controller.

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[a-chadl [MSFT]]

| I've got a small W2K domain: Two W2K DCs, both running DNS, and there are
| about 100 clients. I've purchased a new server with 2003 installed on it.
| I would like to add it to the directory.
|
| Trying to do so with dcpromo prompts me to run adprep prior to having the
| 2003 server be brought up as a DC; first with the /forestprep switch, and
| then with the /domainprep switch.
|
| Since this is a small domain, and not part of a forest, there is no schema
| master. I can add one of course, but I wonder if it is necessary to run
| adprep /forestprep since there isn't a forest to prepare?
|
| Second, another possible install method might be to just run dcpromo with
| the /adv switch. I can create a system state backup and point to it (or
| burn it on a CD). I am not sure if 2003 can read/use the W2K system state
| data, nor do I know if this would be any benefit.
| Any suggestions on how to best pull this off would be appreciated.
|
| >--
| Peckham
|
|
|

Peckham,

I understand that you have a small domain. In this instance, your domain is
the forest and you do have a schema master. By defualt the first DC in the
domain is the schema master. To verify this you can install the support
tools from the server CD and run NETDOM QUERY FSMO. This will tell you
which machines hold the 5 FSMO roles. The machine that is identified as the
schema master is the machine you need to run the adprep/ forestprep command
from. The domainprep needs to be run on the machine identified as the
infrastructure master. It is very possible that this is the same machine.

It is crucial that you complete both the forestprep and domainprep steps.
Running DCPROMO with the /adv switch will not provide you with the same
results

Chad A. Lacy
Windows 2000 Directory Services

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[Peckham]

Even if you only have a single domain you also have a forest. It's just that
your forest is only made up of one domain. This support article contains the
steps to prepare the forest/domain:

Thanks Mike. I have one more question. There is no schema master in my
scenario. Do I have to install that role from the W2K CD on one of the DCs
before running adprep?

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Peckham

 

[Tom Ausburne]

I won't ask why you don't have a Schema Master. It's essential that
you have all 5 FSMO roles in your domain. You don't install the role,
it is supposed to be there by default. If for some reason it is not
on and domain controller the following articles will help you to get
it back. The first one is the preferred method and the second on is
the way to do it if you don't have the role assigned to any domain
controller.


255690 HOW TO: View and Transfer FSMO Roles in the Graphical User
Interface
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=255690

255504 Using Ntdsutil.exe to Seize or Transfer FSMO Roles to a Domain
Controller
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=255504


Tom Ausburne (MSFT)
Windows 2000 Directory Services
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[Peckham]

I won't ask why you don't have a Schema Master. It's essential that
you have all 5 FSMO roles in your domain.

Ah... problem was that somehow the Active Directory Schema snap-in didn't
make it onto the server with the rest of the admin tools. So the DC must
have been a Schema Master, but there was no way to verify that without the
snap-in.

Thanks!

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Peckham

 

[Peckham]

I understand that you have a small domain. In this instance, your domain is
the forest and you do have a schema master. By defualt the first DC in the
domain is the schema master. To verify this you can install the support
tools from the server CD and run NETDOM QUERY FSMO. This will tell you
which machines hold the 5 FSMO roles. The machine that is identified as the
schema master is the machine you need to run the adprep/ forestprep command
from. The domainprep needs to be run on the machine identified as the
infrastructure master. It is very possible that this is the same machine.

It is crucial that you complete both the forestprep and domainprep steps.
Running DCPROMO with the /adv switch will not provide you with the same
results

Right on! Thanks Chad, and others. I am cooking with gas now. ;-)

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Peckham

 

[David Adner]

That particular snap-in doesn't get registered by default; it's an extra
step required to help prevent casual or accidental editing of the
schema. Also, you don't need the snapin to determine which server is
the Schema Master.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;234790#2

How to Determine the Schema FSMO Holder in a Forest
Click Start, click Run, type mmc, and then click OK.
On the Console menu, click Add/Remove Snap-in, click Add, double-click
Active Directory Schema, click Close, and then click OK.
Right-click Active Directory Schema in the top left pane, and then click
Operations Masters to view the server holding the schema master role.

 

[Kevin Bowersock]

If you have the support tools loaded on the box
You may also use the command line:
Netdom query fsmo

 

[dgabbard]

Hi Peckham,

Your first domain controller should be the Schema master. If you no
longer have that DC, then you need to seize the role to one of your
existing DCs.

You can find out which is your schema master from a command prompt
netdom query fsmo
This command will show you the owner of all 5 FSMO roles. You will
need to have the support tools installed. You can install them from
the Windows 2000 Server CD. \support\tools and run a typical setup.
It will also install netdiag and dcdiag.

Word of caution - make sure your replication is working smoothly
between the two DCs.
Use DCdiag and NetDiag tools to look for errors.

You do need to run the adprep /forest and domain preps to add the 2003
DC to the environment.

You do have a forest.
You will not be about to use the /adv with the 2000 domain. That is
only available in a 2003 domain that you are trying to get to.