Accessing a domain and workgroup

[chris v]

I am having issues with a notebook that needs access to a
domain at the office and a workgroup at home. The office
connection works great, the notebook is a member of the
domain. At home the notebook can see the p.c. most of the
time but can not get into it to see the share.

It was working at one point (for a day or so) then the
share name was changed (and remapped) which still seemed
to work, that evening. The next day the notebook was
brought to the office, then home again and access to the
p.c. was lost. It may have been using cached info the
evening before.

There are no error messages when trying to open the p.c.
from the notebook, just a few second delay when trying to
open the p.c. and then nothing, it just stops trying.
When it was working the user had to log onto the p.c.
(from the notebook, thru the network) as a different user
than logged onto the notebook.

The workgroup consists of a p.c., a notebook (both Win XP
Pro) and a network printer all connected thru a wireless
Linksys router (model# BEFW11S4). Both computers can ping
the router and printer but not each other.

DHCP is enabled on the router (has to be enabled as
instructed by the ISP, if disabled the internet
connection is lost).

Steps already taken:

- The workgroup has the same name as the domain.

- Windows firewall has been disabled.

- The Remote Access Connection service is running.

- Simple File Sharing has been enabled.

- Have tried using different protocols (including TCP/IP
and IPX/SPX), binding only one at a time to file and
print sharing, as well as several at a time.

- Have played around with the Optional Networking
Components (Networking Services, etc) with no avail.

- Tired to access the share through IP,
computer/sharename and with Net Use command but the
network path cannot be found.

From what I have found, the node type should be 'point-to-
point'. The p.c.'s node type is 'Unknown' and the
notebook is 'Hybrid' (as are the workstations on the
domain). I am hesitant to start changing those as
registry edits are involved and I don't want to damage
the notebook's connection with the domain. My next step
is to learn about the different node types.

Does WINS and DNS have to be disabled?

Can anyone tell me how to access a workgroup share from a
machine that belongs to a domain?

Thank you for any suggestions,
Chris V.

 

[chris v]

I would also like to add: the router's firmware has been
updated.

 

[chris v]

Thanks Robert, but disabling the NIC didn't work.
Good site you have, nice resource that I will use in the
future.

Chris.

 

[chris v]

Do I need to join the workgroup and get that working
before joining the domain? Which would effectively remove
the machine from the workgroup.

Chris.

 

[Guest]

Chris,

here is a response I saw in a differnt thread that might apply to your problem too...


My name is Jeff and I understand your issue to be:
Failed to connect to the Windows 2000 share from the Windows XP.

If I have misunderstood your issue please let me know.

Method 1:
==========

Disable any third party firewall or anti-virus software on both computers.
Only install the firewall on the interface that directly connected to the
Internet.

Method 2:
==========

Enable the Guess account on Windows 2000 computer.

Click from Start > Control Panel > User Accounts.
Enable the Guest accounts.

Method 3:
==========

Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP:

1. Click from Start > Settings > Network Connections
2. Choose the local connection you use to connect to LAN.
3. Right click it and choose Properties.
4. Choose the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and press Properties.
5. Press the Advanced tab on the General tab in "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)
Properties" dialog box.
6. Choose the WINS tab.
7. Choose to "Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP".
8. Press OK.
9. Close all windows.

Method 4:
==========

Install IPX/SPX.

1. Click Start.
2. Right click the My Network Places and choose Properties.
3. Right click the Local Are Connection and choose Properties.
4. Press the Install¡­ button and select the protocol.
5. Press the Add button.
6. Select the NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS Compatible Transport Protocol from the
list.
7. Press Ok.
8. Follow the steps to complete the installation.


For build up a home networking, here are some very detailed articles with
screen captures:
813936 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 1)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813936
813937 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 2)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813937
813938 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 3)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813938
813939 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 4)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813939
813940 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 5)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=813940
814003 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 6)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=814003
814004 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 7)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=814004
814005 How to Set Up a Small Network with Windows XP Home Edition (PART 8)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=814005


Hope this helps.

Please feel free to let me know if you have any further concerns or
questions regarding the issue.



Best Regards,

Jeff Qiu
Microsoft Online Partner Support
MCSE 2000, MCDBA, MCSA
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

 

[Guest]

I appreciate your response Jeff,

This issue is between two Win XP Pro machines, a pc and a
notebook. Wanting to connect the notebook to the pc's
share which is on the workgroup at home (where this issue
is) but remain a member of the domain at work (which
works fine).

In response to your post:
1. No third party firewall, Windows firewall is disabled.
Will try disabling Norton Sys Works as well.
2. The Guest account is enabled
3. NetBIOS is enabled over TCP/IP
4. IPX/SPX is installed

At this point the computers can see each other on the
network but can't get 'into' each other. This is leading
me to believe there may be a problem with the settings of
the share. SFS is enabled, would you have any suggestions
as to required share settings? Will be looking closely at
the share/security settings tonight.

It's getting frustrating because everything else on the
network works great, both machines have internet and VPN
access, the notebook is wireless, these two machines just
won't browse each other.

Does the notebook need to join the workgroup first, then
join the domain (which I realize will remove the notebook
from the workgroup)? Just wondering if that order makes a
difference.

Thank you for your time,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
Chris,

here is a response I saw in a differnt thread that might apply to your problem too...


My name is Jeff and I understand your issue to be:
Failed to connect to the Windows 2000 share from the Windows XP.

If I have misunderstood your issue please let me know.

Method 1:
==========

Disable any third party firewall or anti-virus software on both computers.
Only install the firewall on the interface that directly connected to the
Internet.

Method 2:
==========

Enable the Guess account on Windows 2000 computer.

Click from Start > Control Panel > User Accounts.
Enable the Guest accounts.

Method 3:
==========

Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP:

1. Click from Start > Settings > Network Connections
2. Choose the local connection you use to connect to LAN.
3. Right click it and choose Properties.
4. Choose the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and press Properties.
5. Press the Advanced tab on the General tab

in "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

 

[Guest]

I have the same issue, and the following works for me.

My laptop is configured for the office domain
At home, my home workgroup has the same name as the domain
The workgroup ip addresses are in the series 169.254.x.x, with subnet mask 255.255.0.0
(The 169.254.x.x series is what the domain machine defaults to when it sees a network with no name server, ie when it connects to the home network )
Hence the workgroup and domain machines can see each other, and ping each other, however they cannot share yet
To enable sharing i execue a batch file on the domain computer containing the comand:
net use \\main \\user:john
in which 'main' is the name of the workgroup computer and 'john' is a user with admin rights on that workgroup computer


Now it all works, file and printer sharing etc. And the best part is, theres no messing with the congiguration of the office domain machine, resulting in IT department wrath.

Im curious to know if any of the above was unnecessary, but it works for me

 

[robert]

try disabling the NIC then re-enabling it.

I have the same issue, and the following works for me.

My laptop is configured for the office domain
At home, my home workgroup has the same name as the domain
The workgroup ip addresses are in the series 169.254.x.x, with subnet mask 255.255.0.0
(The 169.254.x.x series is what the domain machine defaults to when it

sees a network with no name server, ie when it connects to the home
network )

Hence the workgroup and domain machines can see each other, and ping each

other, however they cannot share yet

To enable sharing i execue a batch file on the domain computer containing the comand:
net use \\main \\user:john
in which 'main' is the name of the workgroup computer and 'john' is a user

with admin rights on that workgroup computer

Now it all works, file and printer sharing etc. And the best part is,

theres no messing with the congiguration of the office domain machine,
resulting in IT department wrath.