Access 2000/2003 Run Time

[Guest]

Hello everyone,

I am looking for some advice on how to legally get some existing Access 2000
applications up and going on some new company desktops.

We have been deploying these applications to existing desktops with the
complete Access 2000 application, which we don't really want to do going
forward on the new desktops. I would like to use the Access Run-Time
programs, but I am having trouble figuring out whether we are licenced to do
so.

My reading of these newsgroups and the MS KnowledgeBase suggests that if I
want to use the Access 2003 Run-Time, I need "Microsoft Visual Tools for the
Microsoft Office System". If I want to use the Access 2000 Run-Time, I need
"Microsoft Office 2000 Developer". I don't think we have explicit licences
for either of these applications.

We do have a volume licence for Microsoft Office 2003 Standard and Microsoft
Office 2003 Professional. We also had an MSDN Professional licence up until
the end of 2004, at which point we let it lapse. On DVD 2431.1 that received
as part of this subscription is "Visual Studio Tools for Microsoft Office
System 2003", so I called the local Microsoft office and asked whether this
meant we could use the Access Run-Time, even though our MSDN subscription had
lapsed. After checking with their supervisor, they said this was a perpertual
licence and we should be able to do so. I then installed this on a new
desktop with Office 2003 Professional on it, but I can't find any shortcuts
leading to the Packaging Wizard - there's Microsoft Office -> Microsoft
Office Tools, but it only has things like Access Snapshot Viewer and
Application Recovery in it.

So, am I doing something wrong with the DVD installation? Is the info that
the Microsoft person gave me accurate ie. can I use the Access 2003 Run-Time,
if I can find it, even though my MSDN Professional subscription has lapsed?

If the answer to either of those questions is No, can I just use the Access
2000 Run-Time? If that would also require me to purchase a licence, I might
as well just get the one for Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft
Office System, although I have a nasty suspicion that I may have the same
trouble installing it as I am with the supposed DVD version I already have.

Needless to say, I am finding Microsoft licencing just a touch confusing - I
hope someone is able to point me in the right direction!

Thanks,
David S

 

[Brendan Reynolds]

The Visual Studio Tools don't include the run-time stuff, David. It's a
separate installation. Look for 'Microsoft Office Access 2003 Developer
Extensions'.

 

[Albert D. Kallal]

My reading of these newsgroups and the MS KnowledgeBase suggests that if I

want to use the Access 2003 Run-Time, I need "Microsoft Visual Tools for
the Microsoft Office System". If I want to use the Access 2000 Run-Time, I
need "Microsoft Office 2000 Developer". I don't think we have explicit
licences
for either of these applications.

Well, the above is kind of correct. You actually need what is called

Access 2003 Developer Extensions

Further, this is NOT included with MSDN professional.
(this has changed, but in your time period, I don't
believe the developer extensions where included.)

What this means is two things:

access developer tools were NOT included in the MSDN VSTO package
access developer tools WERE included in the retail VSTO box edition.

So, if you do have them, they would be on a yellow disk...

Yellow, 2084.10 Dec 2003

Yellow 3024.00 Dec 2005


and, later DVD would be

Yellow, 3089.1, March 2006

as mentioned, this changed in the last year, or so....

about 1, or 2 years ago that
MSDN standard, and professional DID NOT include the access
developer extensions. You had to have a
ENTERPRISE (universal) editing of MSDN to get
access developer.

Now, as far as I can tell, Standard, professional, Enterprise, and even
the Academic version of MSDN NOW includes the developer extensions!!
(go figure!!)...but, about before 1 year ago...it was not included in
ANY subscription, EXCEPT for Enterprise/universal edition.

The MSDN disk will *specially* say on it

Microsoft Office Access 2003 developer Extensions...
(I see Brendan just pointed this out in the other post).

So, you only need to install ms-access + the Access 2003 developer
Extensions
You do NOT HAVE to install the office developer extensions
(but, if you had the RETAIL VERSION of office developer extensions, then
that DID INCLUDE
access developer..and that is why people are OFTEN told this is how you get
the access developer).
In fact, on a retail level...I believe this is the ONLY way to get the
access developer tools.
(so, you do have VSTO...but it did not include access developer tools).

Further, I checked, and disk 2431 does not include the developer
extensions...

We do have a volume licence for Microsoft Office 2003 Standard and
Microsoft
Office 2003 Professional.

The Student, Standard, and professional edition of office never included the
access developer extensions. In fact, the enterprise edition of office also
DOES NOT include the access developer extensions (so, none of the 4
versions of office).

so I called the local Microsoft office and asked whether
this meant we could use the Access Run-Time, even though our MSDN
subscription
had lapsed. After checking with their supervisor, they said this was a
perpertual licence and we should be able to do so.

Well, the above is true, except for the fact that you don't have the
developer extensions!!!
(so, yes..if you did have the software...you can install, and the license is
perpetual).

So, am I doing something wrong with the DVD installation? Is the info that
the Microsoft person gave me accurate ie. can I use the Access 2003
Run-Time,

Yes, you can use the runtime...so, that information is correct.

The only problem is that you MSDN subscription did not include
access developer.

If the answer to either of those questions is No, can I just use the
Access 2000 Run-Time?

Sure...if you have a copy of a2000 runtime...go with that...
(however, a2000 runtime can be as large as 150 megs in size -- access 97 was
about 13 megs in size, and
a2003 is 34 megs in size).

Needless to say, I am finding Microsoft licencing just a touch confusing -

Me too!!! And, as mentioned, it seems that most/all of the new MSDN
subscriptions NOW include access developer...they just did not in your time
frame....

 

[Tony Toews]

If the answer to either of those questions is No, can I just use the Access
2000 Run-Time? If that would also require me to purchase a licence, I might
as well just get the one for Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft
Office System,

Note though that Office 2003 and just the A2003 runtime will only
install on systems with Win 2000 SP3 or newer, Windows XP.and, not
that you should, Win 2003 Server. It won't install on NT 4.0 or
earlier or Win 95, 98 or ME.

Tony
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