a few basic ?s regarding asp vs. FP

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

1. If I create a simple .asp project with, say, 2 forms/pages and 1
module --- AND I wish to add this functionality to a Frontpage
Web.....
What's the approach? Import the files into the web, copy them
there.... what?

2. How do I know which files, exactly, to import to the web....all of the
files in the project?

3. How can I have the .asp page "inherit" the style/theme of the existing
FP web?

thank you

 

[Ronx]

I would write the whole project in FrontPage, and the database (if
used) in Access (then import the database), but what do you mean by
"module"?

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

The asp project contains a code module .... (Vb.Net)

 

[Kevin Spencer]

1. If it's so simple, why do you have to ask? The truth is, you don't have
any idea if it's simple or not. In fact, since you have to ask, it would be
logical to presume that it is NOT simple.
2. Import? Seems like you've skipped over some details here. What's all this
talk about import? Again, you're beginning with an assumption that you have
to import something. As a professional developer, I can tell you that this
is NOT a logical assumption.
3. The answer to all 3 questions is, start from the beginning. You have a
set of business requirements, which is not mentioned. A development project
begins with requirements. Requirements is defined simply as "what do I need
this app to do for me?" Note that the question is not HOW, but WHAT. HOW is
determined by WHAT. And knowing nothing about the technology, you can't make
any assumptions with regards to HOW. We can help you with that.

In conclusion, WHAT are your business requirements? If you can state them
clearly, we can help you determine what needs to be done in order to
accomplish them.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Sometimes you eat the elephant.
Sometimes the elephant eats you.

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

Any reason you're being so arogant and defensive?

You may be a developer, but your cleary not an academic or an instructor.
What good is having expertise at something and not having the ability or
desire to teach that knowledge to others?

 

[Jim Cheshire]

1. What kind of project are we talking about? You say module. Is this a
VB module? If so, this is not really something that you can add to a
FrontPage Web site unless you build a COM DLL and register it on the Web
server.

It sounds to me like you might be working with a VBA project in FrontPage
and trying to move it into your Web site. If so, that's not actually the
way that VBA works in FrontPage. VBA is used to work inside of FrontPage
itself, not inside of a Web page.

3. If you're using FrontPage 2003, Dynamic Web Templates are the best way
to do this. If you're already using a theme, the ASP page should take on
the theme automatically.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

The premiere add-in and software source
for Microsoft FrontPage.

 

[Kevin Spencer]

Any reason you're being so arogant and defensive?

You may be a developer, but your cleary not an academic or an instructor.
What good is having expertise at something and not having the ability or
desire to teach that knowledge to others?

I get that a lot. Perhaps my attitude comes from over 10 years of working my
fingers to the bone to be the best I can at what I do, and having some
people think that there's anything "simple" or "easy" about it. Maybe it's
because I walk up escalators instead of riding them, and think there's some
kind of virtue in doing so. As for having no desire to teach that knowledge
to others, you might want to do a little research. I often spend a half hour
writing a page or 2 of technical information, background, and explanation,
simply because I find someone who is willing to learn. My web site has quite
a few tutorials and articles about web programming, none of which I was paid
to write.

You also failed to mention that I told you that if you would give us your
business requirements we (that includes myself) "could help you determine
what needs to be done in order to accomplish them." Instead, you are wasting
your time and mine being critical of my bedside manner. No wonder you call
yourself Grumpy! I think perhaps a different dwarf's name might be
appropriate, but assuming you can take it as well as you dish it out, the
offer still stands.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Sometimes you eat the elephant.
Sometimes the elephant eats you.

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

Well, at least someone who, with many thanks from me, is focusing energy on
teaching instead of grandstanding...

1. What kind of project are we talking about? You say module. Is this a
VB module? If so, this is not really something that you can add to a
FrontPage Web site unless you build a COM DLL and register it on the Web
server.

I wrote a simple loan calculator (VB.Net Pro 2003) where you enter
Principle, Interest Rate, and the Term via text boxes. .net calculates the
payment via a code module, and displays it via a text box on the same page.
This page contains a hyperlink to a second page that calulates the annuity
factors via the loan parameters entered in the first page. I wrote this as a
quick project that had a little meaning, other than the hope that I could
exercise, or figure out, if and how I could add this functionality to an
existing FP web. I did this as a "simple" example just to teach myself how
to do it (if possible). That's all.

3. If you're using FrontPage 2003, Dynamic Web Templates are the best way
to do this. If you're already using a theme, the ASP page should take on
the theme automatically

OK, that's an answer... Thank you.

Now, once the .Net app is final, which files of the .Net project need to be
"ported" to the appropriate web site folder. All of them?

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

sorry you're having another bad day working your fingers to the bone.

If my take on your response was inappropriate, I apologize.

I am choosing not to have this response contain personal insults toward
you --- for wehatever reason, you appear to find that self-gratifying.

My reaction was honest and not derogatory. Thank you for your service to the
VB community.

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

The loan calculator is an .Net asp app, that is........

It runs fine locally via IIS on my machine..... just interested on how I can
add that asp functionality to a FP web, and, which files of the .net project
would be required to do so.

 

[Jim Cheshire]

Now, once the .Net app is final, which files of the .Net project need
to be "ported" to the appropriate web site folder. All of them?

All you need to deploy is the contents of the /bin folder, any ASPX files,
and any files you link to such as CSS files, image files, etc.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

The premiere add-in and software source
for Microsoft FrontPage.

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!

That is what I needed to know!!!!!

I appreciate your time and patience. I gotta learn it sometime and
somewhere.

 

[Jim Cheshire]

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!

That is what I needed to know!!!!!

I appreciate your time and patience. I gotta learn it sometime and
somewhere.

Sure.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

The premiere add-in and software source
for Microsoft FrontPage.

 

[Grumpy Aero Guy]

(See thread above)

See?---all that bravado, and you STILL never showed enough interest to
answer what turned out to be SIMPLE questions from an inquisitive,
inexperienced, but willing, e-student who had to figure out how to ask it
right. --- Bravo ! Kevin, I always applaud hard work. But, you need to
lighten up a little...

When I was much younger, I was very arrogant and high-strung myself. I got
over it, and probably allienated many nice folks before I did --- which was
MY loss, NOT theirs. It's not worth it. There comes a time when you realize
that no-one cares how much of a blowhard you can be --- but they are
greatful for a good, experienced mentor. It's more rewarding as well. Please
take this into consideration from one of the best (former blow-hards). Your
long term health will thank you. Learn to laugh at yourself --- I did. If I
can, believe me, so can you.

Grumpy.

 

[Kevin Spencer]

You never gave me the information I requested.

I'm not as good at interpretation as most of the other folks here. I've
worked with computers for too long, and have lost most of my interpretive
skills. Computers don't like assumptions. As for my age, I think you're
making an assumption. Of course, as you didn't mention it, and I haven't
mentioned mine, we'll never know.

As far as whose loss it was, well, I don't feel like I've lost anything but
weight lately. And as for alienation, I have always been an alien in this
nation, despite my being born here. And my sense of humor speaks for itself.

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Sometimes you eat the elephant.
Sometimes the elephant eats you.