9800 Pro Fan

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duh_ster

Just wondering who else has had problems with the cooling on their ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro. I sent my card back to ATI about 4 months ago and
they sent me a brand new card! However, the fan on the new card makes
loud noises on startup and I am noticing a diminished performance on my
games (locks up in UT 2K4)! Although my card is still under warranty,
I am debating just ripping out the heat sink and fan and replacing with
an aftermarket unit. The unit that seems compatible with this card is
the Artic Cooling ATI Silencer Rev 2. Comments? Suggestions? Or,
maybe the funds would be better spent on a new AGP card?

Is this cooling issue a problem with ALL ATI products, or just the
Radeon series?

Thx!
 
C

Clint

Keep in mind that putting on a new HS/fan unit will probably void your
warranty.

Clint
 
F

First of One

Back when the 9800 Pro first appeared on the market, a lot of owners
replaced the stock cooler with the Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer right out of
the box, just to get lower noise and far better cooling. The ATi Silencer
Rev 2 is a newer model with what appears to be a copper baseplate and even
larger fan. It'll be a worthwhile investment for ~ $30. The alternative,
shipping the card back for a second replacement, will cost you almost as
much...

Depending on the PCB revision of the card, you can also try the ATi Silencer
3:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=11
Many newer 9800 Pro cards use the 9800XT PCB, identified by a really
low-profile blue VGA connector. The Silencer 3 has the benefit of memory
cooling.
 
A

AAvK

Keep in mind that putting on a new HS/fan unit will probably void your
warranty.

Clint

Anyone can reassemble the original cooler back onto the card if warrentee service is needed.
AAvK
 
J

john_doe

Just wondering who else has had problems with the cooling on their ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro. I sent my card back to ATI about 4 months ago and
they sent me a brand new card! However, the fan on the new card makes
loud noises on startup and I am noticing a diminished performance on my
games (locks up in UT 2K4)! Although my card is still under warranty,
I am debating just ripping out the heat sink and fan and replacing with
an aftermarket unit. The unit that seems compatible with this card is
the Artic Cooling ATI Silencer Rev 2. Comments? Suggestions? Or,
maybe the funds would be better spent on a new AGP card?

Is this cooling issue a problem with ALL ATI products, or just the
Radeon series?

Thx!

If you don't want to mess with the Silencer, Vantec (i think) makes
a fan card (~$10) with dual fans that plugs into a PCI socket next
to your video card. Doesn't move the hot air out of the case like
the silencer, but extremely simple and effective.

No revision issues either.
 
C

Clint

I guess I give people more credit than that. How closely do you have to
look to see that the HS was re-applied? Don't those stock units typically
use thermal tape of some sort to hold it on, and wouldn't that get all
munged up taking it off?

I've been thinking about replacing the HS/fan of my X1800GTO for noise
reasons, but since it's only a week old, I'm a little leary about voiding
the warranty already...

Clint
 
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Jhock

Clint said:
I guess I give people more credit than that. How closely do you have to
look to see that the HS was re-applied? Don't those stock units typically
use thermal tape of some sort to hold it on, and wouldn't that get all
munged up taking it off?

I've been thinking about replacing the HS/fan of my X1800GTO for noise
reasons, but since it's only a week old, I'm a little leary about voiding
the warranty already...

Clint

I had trouble with the pitiful little fan on my 9800 AIW Pro card, it
was slowing and noisy, bought a Zalman VF700-CU fan and put it on, then
had to temporarily take it off because I hadn't taken into account the
Tin box for the TV in components, a few minutes with the dremel tool and
removing about 5 of the copper fins resulted in a good fit. This fan is
very quiet and I am more than please with the results.

BTW I emailed ATI two weeks before buying this new fan and as of today,
have heard nothing from them.

Jack
 
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Clint

FWIW, I picked up an Arctic Cooler Accelero X2 for my X1800GTO on my way
home from work tonight. Seems to cool much better, and is MUCH quieter than
the stock unit. Next up, the CPU HS/fan!

My old unit was 49C idle @ 100% fan, 65C under full load (ATI Tray Tools 3D
renderer @ fullscreen). New cooler is 42C idle, 51 under full load (100%
fans in both cases). Inaudible with other fans in the system, which is much
better than stock. So I cranked the fan down to 40% under 50C, 60% between
50 and 60C, and 100% over 60. I'll see how that goes. Don't know if it
will matter much, as I can't hear it anyway. :)

There was no thermal tape except for the memory modules, and that peeled up
pretty easy. The HS came off easily, as I was just doing my benchmark
immediately before taking the HS off, so it was pretty gooey. Putting it
back on should be pretty straightforward if I need too, I'll just make sure
to keep all the pieces. I guess I'll have to re-use the tape for the memory
modules though. Probably should have just left the old stuff on instead.

Clint
 
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AAvK

I guess I give people more credit than that. How closely do you have to
look to see that the HS was re-applied? Don't those stock units typically
use thermal tape of some sort to hold it on, and wouldn't that get all
munged up taking it off?

I've been thinking about replacing the HS/fan of my X1800GTO for noise
reasons, but since it's only a week old, I'm a little leary about voiding
the warranty already...

Clint


Sorry, I was remembering my own vid card and it's original cooler, both made by ATI.
Pretty bad work on their part, completely crude grinding marks (big grooves) on the
copper chunk, and this "gray goop" massively plopped in there as a thermal grease,
YUCK! No tape tho... The V-1 cooler is real nice, with an added 2nd fan, without dust
it had the temp down to 40C-45C! With dust build-up it gets up to 55C.

Enjoy your 06/06/06!
 
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tooly

Just wondering who else has had problems with the cooling on their ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro. I sent my card back to ATI about 4 months ago and
they sent me a brand new card! However, the fan on the new card makes
loud noises on startup and I am noticing a diminished performance on my
games (locks up in UT 2K4)! Although my card is still under warranty,
I am debating just ripping out the heat sink and fan and replacing with
an aftermarket unit. The unit that seems compatible with this card is
the Artic Cooling ATI Silencer Rev 2. Comments? Suggestions? Or,
maybe the funds would be better spent on a new AGP card?

Is this cooling issue a problem with ALL ATI products, or just the
Radeon series?

Thx!

Hmmm...since this about 9800 pro...

I haven't had any cooling problems of note.

But I am wrestling with another problem must now. Just put in a new gigabyte
xp 64 motherboard but now system can't 'see' the ATI 9800 pro's hardware
acceleration nor video ram [128 mbytes]??
It still drives my monitor, but horrible performance. Downloaded drivers of
course from ATI...but to no avail. Old drivers which I used on old
motherboard were dated 2004...

ATI site offers what is called 'catalyst'...their lingo for some sort of
package that installs it all. Oh...but you guys would know that being that
this is an ATI newgroup :). I've installed, uninstalled, and done it over
again several times now...using any and all drivers I can find [even
mistakeningly used some old hydravision stuff...maybe that screwed things
up??].

The 9800 pro worked fine with old motherboard under same windows xp
software. Could it be my AGP bus on the new board? How might I check this
out [no AGP buses mentioned in hardware devices??]...just IDE and ATA...and
the video adapter]. BIOS only offers initializing with PCI or AGP...nothing
else [though lots of overclocking ditties in this bios, but have left
everything default].
 
T

Toolly

tooly said:
Just wondering who else has had problems with the cooling on their ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro. I sent my card back to ATI about 4 months ago and
they sent me a brand new card! However, the fan on the new card makes
loud noises on startup and I am noticing a diminished performance on my
games (locks up in UT 2K4)! Although my card is still under warranty,
I am debating just ripping out the heat sink and fan and replacing with
an aftermarket unit. The unit that seems compatible with this card is
the Artic Cooling ATI Silencer Rev 2. Comments? Suggestions? Or,
maybe the funds would be better spent on a new AGP card?

Is this cooling issue a problem with ALL ATI products, or just the
Radeon series?

Thx!

Hmmm...since this about 9800 pro...

I haven't had any cooling problems of note.

But I am wrestling with another problem must now. Just put in a new
gigabyte xp 64 motherboard but now system can't 'see' the ATI 9800 pro's
hardware acceleration nor video ram [128 mbytes]??
It still drives my monitor, but horrible performance. Downloaded drivers
of course from ATI...but to no avail. Old drivers which I used on old
motherboard were dated 2004...

ATI site offers what is called 'catalyst'...their lingo for some sort of
package that installs it all. Oh...but you guys would know that being
that this is an ATI newgroup :). I've installed, uninstalled, and done it
over again several times now...using any and all drivers I can find [even
mistakeningly used some old hydravision stuff...maybe that screwed things
up??].

The 9800 pro worked fine with old motherboard under same windows xp
software. Could it be my AGP bus on the new board? How might I check
this out [no AGP buses mentioned in hardware devices??]...just IDE and
ATA...and the video adapter]. BIOS only offers initializing with PCI or
AGP...nothing else [though lots of overclocking ditties in this bios, but
have left everything default].

Holy Cow!!!
For idiots like myself, here was my problem.

Info/advice for changing out motherboards under XP suggest rolling back IDE
bus to 'Standard' generic microsoft. Also to roll back graphics driver to
'STandard VGA' (essentially uninstalling your top notch 3D card).

Why? All to prevent, as much as is possible, the damned 'Repair Install'
complications that Mr. Gates has you contort to prove to MS you're not
stealing something.

Well, shit feathers...no 'standard VGA' was offered in my graphics card
driver options. That's how these things work for me...NEVER.

So, I went into 'MSCONFIG', and found 'basic video' option, which I
naturally assumed might be what all the tech yokels were talking about,
since XP didn't offer me a 'standard generic VGA' option in 'update driver'
menus.

So, I punched this option in my boot seqence...to opt to 'basic
video'....whatever that meant of course, assuming of course, it meant
bypassing my sophisticated 9800 pro 3D intervervious extranuations.

That was decades ago...and of course, I installed the new Mother (board),
and came out all decroded of essential operability...spending all last
night, and half of today trying to decrypt. I was sure my MB was slopped
up...and good ole' send back required. I hate when that happens.

But, like per usual, just my brain malfunctioning; can't remember it's way
out of wet paper sack. Yep...still had the durned 'basic video'
punched...and of course, all my fancy hardware graphics were being hijacked
into cyberspace for nothing.

So, beware fellow idiots. Don't punch out the 'basic video' option in
MSconfig and hope to win out. Mr. Gates already has us by the gonaddys'.

And I apologize to the original poster for doping this thread
with...well...this, not of the first intent.
 
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Roy Coorne

(e-mail address removed) scribbled:
Just wondering who else has had problems with the cooling on their ATI
Radeon 9800 Pro. ...
... The unit that seems compatible with this card is
the Artic Cooling ATI Silencer Rev 2. Comments? Suggestions? ...

It depends on the specific card - there is a difference between 128 MB
and 256 MB cards.
I have the Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB and replaced the original
fan as it became loud with the "Arctic Cooling ATI Silencer 1 (Rev.2)"

Roy
 
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pigdos

I'd say go w/a new AGP card and ebay the 9800 Pro. It ain't worth it to buy
a new cooling solution for such an old card. I replaced my 9800Pro w/a
x850xt and it made a noticeable difference in games (I can use 4xAA, 16xAF,
temporal AA and adaptive AA in all my games [sometimes only at 800x600]). I
also destroyed my 9800 Pro when I installed a Arctic Cooler on it. I figured
the shim would prevent crushing of the GPU but it didn't.
 

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