64-bit os

G

Guest

has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good, demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new versions of all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit ready. "The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit mode," You need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards, hard drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to work well. If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a bunch of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit compatible.
 
G

Guest

I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are NEEDED to do
what MS claims it can do!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good, demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new versions of all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit ready. "The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit mode," You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards, hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to work well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a bunch of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

In that case you need to buy a computer from a manufacturer such as
Gateway, Dell, HP etc.
They will have made sure the hardware and software are available and
compatible.
You may disagree, but your disagreement will not change the fact that
the hardware manufacturers make and distribute the hardware drivers.
They know their hardware better than anyone including Microsoft.

What "devices that are NEEDED"?
Video card?
Which ones should Microsoft invest in supporting? There are thousands
of video cards alone.
Then you go to sound, NIC etc.
How much additional $ are you willing to pay Microsoft to do someone
else's job?
That is not Microsoft's business.

Microsoft is not responsible for hardware.
If the hardware manufacturers want their customers of a particular
piece of hardware supported by a particular OS, the hardware
manufacturer has the responsibility to make it work.

If you buy an OS, that is all you are buying.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


Jason said:
I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are
NEEDED to do
what MS claims it can do!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft
manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new
versions of all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit
ready. "The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit
mode," You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards,
hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to
work well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a
bunch of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

First, all Microsoft operating Systems come with a full compliment of
drivers for the most commonly used hardware. Those drivers, while often
developed in cooperation with Microsoft are supplied for the operating
system by the device manufacturer. Every attempt is made during the
development and the beta testing period to make the operating system as
compatible as possible with the widest possible variations of hardware and
it should be noted, that many such systems not only have different hardware,
some of which may be non-standard but also have a wide range of software
that might interfere with the function of various devices and cause problems
for their drivers.

Second, XP, for example, does offer a wide range of options but often,
hardware to take advantage of those options are only in development or have
not yet reached market at the time operating system goes to market.

Third, it would be wholly impossible for Microsoft to continue to develop,
supply and otherwise write drivers for all hardware that comes out or is
updated with new versions throughout the life of the operating system.
Also, many devices take advantage of the system to perform various functions
well beyond the basic function as envisioned when the OS released. Many
scanners, for example, have function buttons to allow users single button
access to various functions. The system, usually can handle the scanning
function from within but it's up to the manufacturer to supply the drivers
that enable the single button functionality.

Fourth, the OP was talking specifically about Windows 64-bit and the
specific question in his post was when will Microsoft come out with a
computer that fully supports 64-bit will all necessary drivers. Aside from
the incorrect assumption that Microsoft manufactures or otherwise designs
computers, with regard to 64-bit, very few manufacturers have 64-bit
compatible devices yet available to the public. That was even more the case
throughout most of the XP-64-bit development period wherein the OS was
created in what was largely a vacuum with regard to 64-bit devices because,
beyond the processor, there were none or very few such devices. Hence, the
OS was largely developed with compatibility with the processor and 64-bit
compatible applications in mind because most of the other hardware didn't
exist. That's one of the reasons why user options with regard to hardware
for the 64-bit OS are rather narrow.

Again, if for no other reason and I've cited many other reasons, given the
fact there were so few devices available for even testing purposes for the
64-bit OS be it the Opteron or the Intel 64-bit processor, what you suggest
was and is impossible and also further points up the reason why device
drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer not Microsoft.
Microsoft make DDKs, Driver Development Kits available to the developers and
fully supports developers and manufacturers in their efforts to develop and
create devices and the appropriate drivers for their OSs as that is its
responsibility if it wishes to maintain widespread compatibility as well as
acceptance from the consumer. But beyond that, while Microsoft offers an OS
that creates an environment in which those devices can function, the
responsibility to develop, create and supply the drivers falls to the device
manufacturer.

You might be interested to know that even the drivers that come through
Windows Update are supplied by the device manufacturer and are only offered
through WU because they've gone through Microsoft's testing and
certification. Further, even at Windows Update, there is usually a
notification that the drivers being supplied are for basic device functions
and taking advantage of broader functions beyond that basic functionality
will often require getting drivers directly from the manufacturer.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are NEEDED to
do
what MS claims it can do!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new versions of
all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit ready.
"The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit mode,"
You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards, hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to work
well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a bunch
of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
G

Guest

No No No!! The sole fact that "Microsoft operating Systems come with a full
compliment of drivers for the most commonly used hardware" leads you to know
that they do this because they should not because that or great friendly free
giving INN. Over $65 billion Dollars tells us that. how would buy an OS that
you could not use a Network, not use the internet, not use a floppy or CD-Rom
not use a DVD or CDRW, Not Print, Fax or save on removable media (know body I
know)and not me. That is why MS should make an OS that works with the working
Hardware Drivers and not make Hardware CO. make new drive that work with an
OS!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, all Microsoft operating Systems come with a full compliment of
drivers for the most commonly used hardware. Those drivers, while often
developed in cooperation with Microsoft are supplied for the operating
system by the device manufacturer. Every attempt is made during the
development and the beta testing period to make the operating system as
compatible as possible with the widest possible variations of hardware and
it should be noted, that many such systems not only have different hardware,
some of which may be non-standard but also have a wide range of software
that might interfere with the function of various devices and cause problems
for their drivers.

Second, XP, for example, does offer a wide range of options but often,
hardware to take advantage of those options are only in development or have
not yet reached market at the time operating system goes to market.

Third, it would be wholly impossible for Microsoft to continue to develop,
supply and otherwise write drivers for all hardware that comes out or is
updated with new versions throughout the life of the operating system.
Also, many devices take advantage of the system to perform various functions
well beyond the basic function as envisioned when the OS released. Many
scanners, for example, have function buttons to allow users single button
access to various functions. The system, usually can handle the scanning
function from within but it's up to the manufacturer to supply the drivers
that enable the single button functionality.

Fourth, the OP was talking specifically about Windows 64-bit and the
specific question in his post was when will Microsoft come out with a
computer that fully supports 64-bit will all necessary drivers. Aside from
the incorrect assumption that Microsoft manufactures or otherwise designs
computers, with regard to 64-bit, very few manufacturers have 64-bit
compatible devices yet available to the public. That was even more the case
throughout most of the XP-64-bit development period wherein the OS was
created in what was largely a vacuum with regard to 64-bit devices because,
beyond the processor, there were none or very few such devices. Hence, the
OS was largely developed with compatibility with the processor and 64-bit
compatible applications in mind because most of the other hardware didn't
exist. That's one of the reasons why user options with regard to hardware
for the 64-bit OS are rather narrow.

Again, if for no other reason and I've cited many other reasons, given the
fact there were so few devices available for even testing purposes for the
64-bit OS be it the Opteron or the Intel 64-bit processor, what you suggest
was and is impossible and also further points up the reason why device
drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer not Microsoft.
Microsoft make DDKs, Driver Development Kits available to the developers and
fully supports developers and manufacturers in their efforts to develop and
create devices and the appropriate drivers for their OSs as that is its
responsibility if it wishes to maintain widespread compatibility as well as
acceptance from the consumer. But beyond that, while Microsoft offers an OS
that creates an environment in which those devices can function, the
responsibility to develop, create and supply the drivers falls to the device
manufacturer.

You might be interested to know that even the drivers that come through
Windows Update are supplied by the device manufacturer and are only offered
through WU because they've gone through Microsoft's testing and
certification. Further, even at Windows Update, there is usually a
notification that the drivers being supplied are for basic device functions
and taking advantage of broader functions beyond that basic functionality
will often require getting drivers directly from the manufacturer.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are NEEDED to
do
what MS claims it can do!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new versions of
all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit ready.
"The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit mode,"
You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards, hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to work
well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a bunch
of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
G

Guest

Jason said:
No No No!! The sole fact that "Microsoft operating Systems come with a full
compliment of drivers for the most commonly used hardware" leads you to know
that they do this because they should not because that or great friendly free
giving INN. Over $65 billion Dollars tells us that. how would buy an OS that
you could not use a Network, not use the internet, not use a floppy or CD-Rom, not use graphics cards, hard drives, sound
not use a DVD or CDRW, Not Print, Fax, scaner or save on removable media (know body I
know)and not me. That is why MS should make an OS that works with the working
Hardware Drivers and not make Hardware CO. make new drive that work with an
OS!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, all Microsoft operating Systems come with a full compliment of
drivers for the most commonly used hardware. Those drivers, while often
developed in cooperation with Microsoft are supplied for the operating
system by the device manufacturer. Every attempt is made during the
development and the beta testing period to make the operating system as
compatible as possible with the widest possible variations of hardware and
it should be noted, that many such systems not only have different hardware,
some of which may be non-standard but also have a wide range of software
that might interfere with the function of various devices and cause problems
for their drivers.

Second, XP, for example, does offer a wide range of options but often,
hardware to take advantage of those options are only in development or have
not yet reached market at the time operating system goes to market.

Third, it would be wholly impossible for Microsoft to continue to develop,
supply and otherwise write drivers for all hardware that comes out or is
updated with new versions throughout the life of the operating system.
Also, many devices take advantage of the system to perform various functions
well beyond the basic function as envisioned when the OS released. Many
scanners, for example, have function buttons to allow users single button
access to various functions. The system, usually can handle the scanning
function from within but it's up to the manufacturer to supply the drivers
that enable the single button functionality.

Fourth, the OP was talking specifically about Windows 64-bit and the
specific question in his post was when will Microsoft come out with a
computer that fully supports 64-bit will all necessary drivers. Aside from
the incorrect assumption that Microsoft manufactures or otherwise designs
computers, with regard to 64-bit, very few manufacturers have 64-bit
compatible devices yet available to the public. That was even more the case
throughout most of the XP-64-bit development period wherein the OS was
created in what was largely a vacuum with regard to 64-bit devices because,
beyond the processor, there were none or very few such devices. Hence, the
OS was largely developed with compatibility with the processor and 64-bit
compatible applications in mind because most of the other hardware didn't
exist. That's one of the reasons why user options with regard to hardware
for the 64-bit OS are rather narrow.

Again, if for no other reason and I've cited many other reasons, given the
fact there were so few devices available for even testing purposes for the
64-bit OS be it the Opteron or the Intel 64-bit processor, what you suggest
was and is impossible and also further points up the reason why device
drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer not Microsoft.
Microsoft make DDKs, Driver Development Kits available to the developers and
fully supports developers and manufacturers in their efforts to develop and
create devices and the appropriate drivers for their OSs as that is its
responsibility if it wishes to maintain widespread compatibility as well as
acceptance from the consumer. But beyond that, while Microsoft offers an OS
that creates an environment in which those devices can function, the
responsibility to develop, create and supply the drivers falls to the device
manufacturer.

You might be interested to know that even the drivers that come through
Windows Update are supplied by the device manufacturer and are only offered
through WU because they've gone through Microsoft's testing and
certification. Further, even at Windows Update, there is usually a
notification that the drivers being supplied are for basic device functions
and taking advantage of broader functions beyond that basic functionality
will often require getting drivers directly from the manufacturer.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are NEEDED to
do
what MS claims it can do!!

:

I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new versions of
all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit ready.
"The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit mode,"
You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards, hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to work
well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a bunch
of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Jason;
I think you need to read your post then post again after making
appropriate corrections.
It does not really make any sense.
 
M

Mike Hall

As far as I was aware, it is the device manufacturers that provide MS with
the basic drivers included in their OSes..


Jason said:
Jason said:
No No No!! The sole fact that "Microsoft operating Systems come with a
full
compliment of drivers for the most commonly used hardware" leads you to
know
that they do this because they should not because that or great friendly
free
giving INN. Over $65 billion Dollars tells us that. how would buy an OS
that
you could not use a Network, not use the internet, not use a floppy or
CD-Rom, not use graphics cards, hard drives, sound
not use a DVD or CDRW, Not Print, Fax, scaner or save on removable media
(know body I
know)and not me. That is why MS should make an OS that works with the
working
Hardware Drivers and not make Hardware CO. make new drive that work with
an
OS!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, all Microsoft operating Systems come with a full compliment of
drivers for the most commonly used hardware. Those drivers, while
often
developed in cooperation with Microsoft are supplied for the operating
system by the device manufacturer. Every attempt is made during the
development and the beta testing period to make the operating system as
compatible as possible with the widest possible variations of hardware
and
it should be noted, that many such systems not only have different
hardware,
some of which may be non-standard but also have a wide range of
software
that might interfere with the function of various devices and cause
problems
for their drivers.

Second, XP, for example, does offer a wide range of options but often,
hardware to take advantage of those options are only in development or
have
not yet reached market at the time operating system goes to market.

Third, it would be wholly impossible for Microsoft to continue to
develop,
supply and otherwise write drivers for all hardware that comes out or
is
updated with new versions throughout the life of the operating system.
Also, many devices take advantage of the system to perform various
functions
well beyond the basic function as envisioned when the OS released.
Many
scanners, for example, have function buttons to allow users single
button
access to various functions. The system, usually can handle the
scanning
function from within but it's up to the manufacturer to supply the
drivers
that enable the single button functionality.

Fourth, the OP was talking specifically about Windows 64-bit and the
specific question in his post was when will Microsoft come out with a
computer that fully supports 64-bit will all necessary drivers. Aside
from
the incorrect assumption that Microsoft manufactures or otherwise
designs
computers, with regard to 64-bit, very few manufacturers have 64-bit
compatible devices yet available to the public. That was even more the
case
throughout most of the XP-64-bit development period wherein the OS was
created in what was largely a vacuum with regard to 64-bit devices
because,
beyond the processor, there were none or very few such devices. Hence,
the
OS was largely developed with compatibility with the processor and
64-bit
compatible applications in mind because most of the other hardware
didn't
exist. That's one of the reasons why user options with regard to
hardware
for the 64-bit OS are rather narrow.

Again, if for no other reason and I've cited many other reasons, given
the
fact there were so few devices available for even testing purposes for
the
64-bit OS be it the Opteron or the Intel 64-bit processor, what you
suggest
was and is impossible and also further points up the reason why device
drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer not
Microsoft.
Microsoft make DDKs, Driver Development Kits available to the
developers and
fully supports developers and manufacturers in their efforts to develop
and
create devices and the appropriate drivers for their OSs as that is its
responsibility if it wishes to maintain widespread compatibility as
well as
acceptance from the consumer. But beyond that, while Microsoft offers
an OS
that creates an environment in which those devices can function, the
responsibility to develop, create and supply the drivers falls to the
device
manufacturer.

You might be interested to know that even the drivers that come through
Windows Update are supplied by the device manufacturer and are only
offered
through WU because they've gone through Microsoft's testing and
certification. Further, even at Windows Update, there is usually a
notification that the drivers being supplied are for basic device
functions
and taking advantage of broader functions beyond that basic
functionality
will often require getting drivers directly from the manufacturer.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are
NEEDED to
do
what MS claims it can do!!

:

I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft
manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new
versions of
all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit
ready.
"The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit
mode,"
You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards,
hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to
work
well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a
bunch
of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

You're reply makes no sense and does nothing to bolster your argument.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Jason said:
Jason said:
No No No!! The sole fact that "Microsoft operating Systems come with a
full
compliment of drivers for the most commonly used hardware" leads you to
know
that they do this because they should not because that or great friendly
free
giving INN. Over $65 billion Dollars tells us that. how would buy an OS
that
you could not use a Network, not use the internet, not use a floppy or
CD-Rom, not use graphics cards, hard drives, sound
not use a DVD or CDRW, Not Print, Fax, scaner or save on removable media
(know body I
know)and not me. That is why MS should make an OS that works with the
working
Hardware Drivers and not make Hardware CO. make new drive that work with
an
OS!!

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) said:
First, all Microsoft operating Systems come with a full compliment of
drivers for the most commonly used hardware. Those drivers, while
often
developed in cooperation with Microsoft are supplied for the operating
system by the device manufacturer. Every attempt is made during the
development and the beta testing period to make the operating system as
compatible as possible with the widest possible variations of hardware
and
it should be noted, that many such systems not only have different
hardware,
some of which may be non-standard but also have a wide range of
software
that might interfere with the function of various devices and cause
problems
for their drivers.

Second, XP, for example, does offer a wide range of options but often,
hardware to take advantage of those options are only in development or
have
not yet reached market at the time operating system goes to market.

Third, it would be wholly impossible for Microsoft to continue to
develop,
supply and otherwise write drivers for all hardware that comes out or
is
updated with new versions throughout the life of the operating system.
Also, many devices take advantage of the system to perform various
functions
well beyond the basic function as envisioned when the OS released.
Many
scanners, for example, have function buttons to allow users single
button
access to various functions. The system, usually can handle the
scanning
function from within but it's up to the manufacturer to supply the
drivers
that enable the single button functionality.

Fourth, the OP was talking specifically about Windows 64-bit and the
specific question in his post was when will Microsoft come out with a
computer that fully supports 64-bit will all necessary drivers. Aside
from
the incorrect assumption that Microsoft manufactures or otherwise
designs
computers, with regard to 64-bit, very few manufacturers have 64-bit
compatible devices yet available to the public. That was even more the
case
throughout most of the XP-64-bit development period wherein the OS was
created in what was largely a vacuum with regard to 64-bit devices
because,
beyond the processor, there were none or very few such devices. Hence,
the
OS was largely developed with compatibility with the processor and
64-bit
compatible applications in mind because most of the other hardware
didn't
exist. That's one of the reasons why user options with regard to
hardware
for the 64-bit OS are rather narrow.

Again, if for no other reason and I've cited many other reasons, given
the
fact there were so few devices available for even testing purposes for
the
64-bit OS be it the Opteron or the Intel 64-bit processor, what you
suggest
was and is impossible and also further points up the reason why device
drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer not
Microsoft.
Microsoft make DDKs, Driver Development Kits available to the
developers and
fully supports developers and manufacturers in their efforts to develop
and
create devices and the appropriate drivers for their OSs as that is its
responsibility if it wishes to maintain widespread compatibility as
well as
acceptance from the consumer. But beyond that, while Microsoft offers
an OS
that creates an environment in which those devices can function, the
responsibility to develop, create and supply the drivers falls to the
device
manufacturer.

You might be interested to know that even the drivers that come through
Windows Update are supplied by the device manufacturer and are only
offered
through WU because they've gone through Microsoft's testing and
certification. Further, even at Windows Update, there is usually a
notification that the drivers being supplied are for basic device
functions
and taking advantage of broader functions beyond that basic
functionality
will often require getting drivers directly from the manufacturer.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

I disagree, If I pay for Win OS then it is in part "if not hole" MS
responsibility to offer an OS the can work with devices that are
NEEDED to
do
what MS claims it can do!!

:

I would just point out, device drivers, including those for 64-bit
systems
are the responsibility of the device manufacturers.

Also, there's an implication in your post that Microsoft
manufactures
computers, it is not in that business. You need to check with the
manufacturers for computers, devices and drivers that are 64-bit
compatible.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

has MS came out will a good full PC for a 64-bit chip?
Like
Intel has advantages as a company, and Itanium has some good,
demonstrated
performance benefits. But the Opteron's compatibility with 32-bit
Windows
binaries at full speed rather than having to recompile new
versions of
all
your applications is attractive,

There's still the issue of making today's PC hardware 64-bit
ready.
"The
biggest challenge is going to be the device drivers in 64-bit
mode,"
You
need
all new drivers for all of your key components [graphics cards,
hard
drives,
and the like]--all the stuff that the operating system needs to
work
well.
If
you want 64 bits because you want performance, you can't have a
bunch
of
32-bit drivers mucking things up.
 

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