2 pc LAN network?

[yabbadoo]

Original prob - get 2 pcs sharing Internet access, SOLVED with this ng
help.
2 Lan cards in host, one to cable modem, the other to the Lan card of 2nd pc
via crossover cable.
Worked fine, both pc's on-line simultaneously.

Thought I'd go one better, and fully network. Followed the step by step
instructions here
http://www.careyholzman.com/xp/home/xphome-1.htm

Disabled (not uninstalled) XP firewall first, as instructed. At an early
stage, noticed the Lan connection to PC2 became disfunctional, however,
carried on (including the registry patch)..
PC1 (host pc) still has internet access (and XP firewall restored) I don't
have Pro, so final page step not possible.

There's no instruction, so assumed 2nd pc had to be similarly set up.
Disabled XP firewall, repeated all steps EXCEPT as it no longer has access
to the Internet, couldn't d/l and install the patch.

CURRENT STATUS - PC 1 working normally except "HOME" (named) network not
active, Lan connection to PC2 has exclamation mark. PC2 - Lan connection
not working, no internet access.

Am I expecting too much, or is it possible to have both shared internet and
a network set up this way? If it is possible, what have I done wrong? (One
thing, may be relevant - my pc's name is "enigma", my daughter's "zodo" -
the network name on both is "HOME".) Do both pc's have to have the same
name?

Have managed to extract the Registry patch text - below, if it has any
relevance.

HELP!! yet again, Len
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NetBT\Parameters]

"NodeType"=-

"DhcpNodeType"=-

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa]

"restrictanonymous"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameters]

"IRPStackSize"=-

 

[Mike Flood]

You should be able to have totally functional access to the internet with
either PC independent of the other PC. This of course requires that you have
a DSL or Cable modem and router or combination of the two.
I am running a DSL mode, 4 port ethernet router with wireless to three
computers as well as using an ethernet print server. One of the PC's is a
wireless laptop. I also have my TiVo Model 2 on a wireless adaptor.
It can be done. I use a mix of DHCP and static IP addressing. Also have a
mix of 802.11B and 802.11G nodes.

I am a persistant non-professional computer user. But please don't ask me
how to do all this. I post this only to assure you that it CAN be done.

 

[John Coode]

Hi Len
You're obviously not a man who likes to quit while he's ahead.
Me too.

Each computer must have a different computer name and the same
workgroup name so that is not your problem.

The guide you used to set up a home network was not intended
for a computer with ICS.

I suspect what has broken your connectivity is setting the
second LAN card to Obtain Address Automatically. When you set up
ICS, it assigns a STATIC IP address to that card. You could try
resetting the static IP as follows:

On the 'host' computer, open Network Connections. You should have
a connection for each of your 2 cards. One connects to the cable
modem and the other connects to the client computer via the
crossover cable.Right click the second connection,
click Properties then right click TCP/IP and select Properties.
Select 'Use this IP address' and enter 192.168.0.1
as the address and subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Leave 'default gateway' blank.

If this doesn't get ICS working again you could try disabling
or uninstalling ICS and then re-enabling it using the
instructions on this page.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126

Probably a good idea to reboot after you disable/uninstall it.
Good luck, John

By the way, don't connect to the internet with the firewall on
your 'host' computer disabled. You can get a virus very quickly.

 

[yabbadoo]

Mike - thanks for the assurance. I'd already established Internet sharing
(as per my post) it was the next step (actually networking the pc's
themselves) which I need help with. First try broke the original set-up,
caused ICS failure.

JOHN - making that ONE change (defining address) restored dual Internet
fuctionality - both working again.

Am I expecting too much, or is it possible to have both shared internet
and a network set up this way?

This question remains unanswered. Can it be done? If so, how? The link you
kindly gave is for shared ICS only.
incidentally I have NOT undone any of the changes made (except for
correcting address) per the procedure link in original post included below.
Still, I cannot "see" in either pc, any link to the other pc (ability to
look at or transfer files via the lan card set-up). Having named the network
"HOME" on both pc's, would have expected it to come up in "my computer"
screen.

Can it be done, or am I expecting too much?

Thanks for your help, Sincerely, Len.

Original prob - get 2 pcs sharing Internet access, SOLVED with this ng
help.
2 Lan cards in host, one to cable modem, the other to the Lan card of 2nd
pc via crossover cable.
Worked fine, both pc's on-line simultaneously.

Thought I'd go one better, and fully network. Followed the step by step
instructions here
http://www.careyholzman.com/xp/home/xphome-1.htm

Disabled (not uninstalled) XP firewall first, as instructed. At an early
stage, noticed the Lan connection to PC2 became disfunctional, however,
carried on (including the registry patch)..
PC1 (host pc) still has internet access (and XP firewall restored) I
don't have Pro, so final page step not possible.

There's no instruction, so assumed 2nd pc had to be similarly set up.
Disabled XP firewall, repeated all steps EXCEPT as it no longer has access
to the Internet, couldn't d/l and install the patch.

CURRENT STATUS - PC 1 working normally except "HOME" (named) network not
active, Lan connection to PC2 has exclamation mark. PC2 - Lan connection
not working, no internet access.

Am I expecting too much, or is it possible to have both shared internet
and a network set up this way? If it is possible, what have I done wrong?
(One thing, may be relevant - my pc's name is "enigma", my daughter's
"zodo" - the network name on both is "HOME".) Do both pc's have to have
the same name?

Have managed to extract the Registry patch text - below, if it has any
relevance.

HELP!! yet again, Len
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NetBT\Parameters]

"NodeType"=-

"DhcpNodeType"=-

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa]

"restrictanonymous"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameters]

"IRPStackSize"=-

 

[EasyFeelings]

it won't show up in "my computer" will be in "my neywork places"

did you turn on file and print sharing?

oh, you did use a CROSSOVER cable to connect the 2 computers? not a straight
cable............

 

[yabbadoo]

AHHH ... a problem. I don't have "My Network Places" on my Host pc. (It is,
however, on the laptop)
Set up Network on the laptop (slave pc) sharing Drive C:
IT WORKS (one way, at least) I can now see the laptop, from the host pc, and
play mp3's on host pc from her collection, so I must be doing something
right. (and yes it is a crossover cable). PLUS - the internet connection
still works too.

Next task - to set up MY (host) pc. Bit more difficult without the "My
Network Places" on the Start menu. Since I can't find that in "Search" have
to do it the hard way. Any idea how to get it listed on the Start menu, as
it is on the laptop?

Appreciate the help - Len

 

[Trent©]

You already HAVE that. You CAN'T share the Internet unless the 2nd
machine is able to access the 1st machine. You ALREADY have a network
connection.

All you need to do now (probably) is set up user accounts on each
machine...for the other machine...and set up shares.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

 

[yabbadoo]

CRACKED IT !!
1/ Restored the "My Network Places" to the start menu via
/properties/customise, and ticking the box

2/ Using clues/hints from John Coode and EasyFeelings, and the Wizard,
finally found the solution. Network up and running, no prob, both with
Internet access, and best of all - NO ROUTER!!

Both firewalled. To avoid probs, I have full admin rights to daughters pc
incl.settings, she has full access to mine EXCL settings..

Thanks to all who helped with this project, especially John Coode and
EasyFeelings - I'd buy you a pint if you were here!

Sincerely, Len.

 

[EasyFeelings]

is the host pc XP?

 

[Trent©]

CRACKED IT !!
1/ Restored the "My Network Places" to the start menu via
/properties/customise, and ticking the box

Congratulations!! You da man!!

2/ Using clues/hints from John Coode and EasyFeelings, and the Wizard,
finally found the solution. Network up and running, no prob, both with
Internet access, and best of all - NO ROUTER!!

You mean WORST of all. You'll probably regret not spending the $20 or
so for the router.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

 

[yabbadoo]

You mean WORST of all. You'll probably regret not spending the $20 or

so for the router.

Trent, have a peek at www.dabs.com/uk - that $20 is more like $100 in UK
(exchange rate $1.92 = £1 for convesion from £ to $)
Network needed for just a year, after which my daughter will have finished
her course, spread her wings and left home with her laptop. Back to ONE pc.
Router would then be redundant, and I can't afford to waste that amount of
cash!.

I may be wrong, but this set-up is currently working, serving current needs,
and cost just $14 to acheive. Great thing about retirement, don't have to
cost the time!

Thanks, Len

 

[Trent©]

Trent, have a peek at www.dabs.com/uk - that $20 is more like $100 in UK
(exchange rate $1.92 = £1 for convesion from £ to $)
Network needed for just a year, after which my daughter will have finished
her course, spread her wings and left home with her laptop. Back to ONE pc.
Router would then be redundant, and I can't afford to waste that amount of
cash!.

You should investigate the security advantages of usin' a router.
They're not foolproof, of course...but a damn site better than runnin'
without one.

You really don't NEED one, of course. But I wouldn't put any
important information on either computer...like contact information,
bank information, letters, etc.

And, of course, your daughter will never get on AIM, ICQ, etc. lol

$100 ain't cheap. But the alternative could be much more costly.

Anyway...good luck. Glad you got your problem solved.

P.S. Look at the entire header that got posted along with your post.
You'll get an idea of what I'm talkin' about.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

 

[John Coode]

Hi Len
Just caught up with this thread again. Glad you got it sorted. I have
to agree with Trent that it would have been easier to go with the
router from the start and they are a bit cheaper than you think.
But on the plus side, you have a system working as you wanted and
you have learned a lot about networking.
Regards, John

 

[yabbadoo]

Trent, Googled for AIM and ICQ (acronyms are new to me). Access (or rather,
lack of) not a prob, not likely to be used. Suspect they're more popular in
US than UK. At first glance see little difference to e_mail and Messenger (a
distraction I've switched off, but daughter occasionally uses).

Security - both pc's have XP firewall enabled. AVG on both (definitions
auto-updated almost daily), and routinely do a full manual scan on host,
every week or so. Plus, Spybot and Pest Patrol running continuously. Host pc
in constant use - laptop, rarely on internet. I trust that this reasonable
level of security is sufficient. I've had zero viruses (virii?) loaded in
over 10 years (few that came were trapped by AV progs prior to infection)
and regularly delete cookies. I also have "remote access" disabled, as is
"Error Reporting", two routes I consider potential targets for hackers to
exploit.

I believe this is reasonable security efficiency.
I'm not arguing with you, in fact I agree, but $100 seems excessive to gain
slightly better security but little (if any) functional benefit.

PS - what header are you referring to, in your closing line?

Sincerely, Len

 

[EasyFeelings]

I agree with the router idea, half due to added security and half due to the
ease when adding other computers.

If you have friends with laptops, or your daughter has friends with laptops,
all they would need to do is plug into the router.

But far be it for me to tell you how to setup your network.
I also fulling understand the money issue.
as long as it works for you, and does what you want it to......
screw others opinions.

--
EasyFeelings
A+
MCP
MCSA

"When your computer is working good, That's an EasyFeeling"

 

[Trent©]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:20:00 -0000, "yabbadoo"


Every time you post, Len, certain information is give out about you.

Looks like you might be in Mid Bedfordshire.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!

 

[yabbadoo]

Yeah, clicking "properties" on posts can be useful.. I do it on e_mail which
LOOKS genuine, but has always turned out to be spoof (Bank, E_bay, PayPal)
.......NTL server is indeed in Luton, Beds, but serves a huge area including
part of Herts, and I think Cambs too.

Good one to you, too! Len.

 

[yabbadoo]

No, I wouldn't say "screw other's opinions" - point of listening to others
is that one gains a broader understanding and thus a better base on which
to make an informed decision. Pity politicians att all levels don't do it!

Thanks, Len