2 hd each bootable on same ide cable

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roynoblin

I only have one PC. I purchased a new hard drive and windows XP home. I now
move the power and ide cable to the drive I want to boot from.
My ribbon and power supply will let me install two drives. I set to auto and
the PC gave me a C: and D: drive. When I installed the new XP on the second
drive and rebooted, the PC went nuts. Hence I reformatted the second drive,
moved the cables, installed XP and registered with MS. Now by moving the
cables I can boot from both drives.

Is there some way I can chouse, which drive to boot to and not have to keep
moving the cables?
My reason for doing this is security and speed. I go on the Internet with the
first HD and never with the second HD.

If I can install both HD’s and chouse which to boot from, would it be
possible while I’m online after booting from the first HD, someone could hack
into my second HD?
 
D

DL

No ones going to hack in if you have decent security, so its immaterial.

However if you are a specific target for a knowledgable person they will be
able to 'get in' using other means, unless you have decent security
installed, or the 'user' doesnt do stupid things.
 
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Timothy Daniels

What you want to do is called "dual-booting" - having
2 OSes to choose from at boot time. One easy way is to
use the BIOS by resetting the HARD DRIVE boot order
(not the DEVICE boot order) during POST (the stuff that
the BIOS does before actual loading). This involves going
into the BIOS by hitting Delete or some function key during
POST and changing the HD boot order via keyboard input.
The *default* HD boot order (assuming PATA IDE HDs) is:
Master, IDE channel 0,
Slave, IDE channel 0,
Master, IDE channel 1,
Slave, IDE channel 1.

The HD boot order for SATA HDs is based on their
channel numbers.

The BIOS will name these in its setup screen by using the
names of their model numbers. (If the model nos. are the
same for both HDs, you may not be able to distinguish them.
In my case, I had to use HDs of different capacities to
have differing model nos.) By rearranging which HD is at
the top of the list, you will control which HD's MBR gets
control at boot time. The partition that in turn gets control
of booting is the Primary partition on the HD that is marked
"active". If you only have one Primary partition on each HD,
the setting of the "active" flag is irrelevant. Assuming that
each HD can, when in isolation from the other, boot its OS,
this method will allow you to select the HD when both are
connected.

The other easy method is to use a boot manager to
manage multi-booting. Since your OSes are both in the
WinNT/2K/XP family of Windows OSes, you can use
the MS boot manager (ntldr) and its options file (boot.ini)
to dual-boot (or even multi-boot). If the installer for the
2nd OS was able to see the 1st OS, it would have set up
the boot options file "boot.ini" for dual-booting for you.
That this was the case is hinted by the partition for the 2nd
OS being named "D:" and that you've not mentioned any
other partitions on either HD. Your boot.ini file (which is
a system file and may be hidden if you haven't designated
system files to be unhidden) should look something like this:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 1st OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 2nd OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect

Notice that the 2 lines under "[operating systems]" differ only
in the arbitrary names in quotes and in the argument for "rdisk()".
"0" in rdisk(0) refers to the 0th HD in the HD boot order, and
"1" in rdisk(1) refers to the 1th HD in the HD boot order, i.e.
to "C:" and "D:" (or to "D:" and "C:", depending in the setting of
the HD boot order).

The value after "timeout=" is the number of seconds that
you have to decide which partition to pass control to (i.e. which
OS to boot in your case). After that period, if there is no selection
via keyboard input, the default line in boot.ini is used to pass
control.

The arbitrary character strings in the option lines are merely
for you to distinguish the OSes when they're displayed on the
boot menu at boot time. You can set them to be whatever means
something to you.

If your boot.ini files (at C:\boot.ini and D:\boot.ini) don't
look like the one above, simply edit them with Notepad. Or,
if you don't trust yourself, you can let WinXP do it for you by
running "msconfig", clicking the BOOT.INI tab, and clicking
the "Check all boot paths" button. If the 2nd OS's HD is
connected, msconfig will set up the boot.ini file in the partition
containing the running OS for dual-booting by including an
option line designating the 2nd OS.

*TimDaniels*
 
A

AJR

Why people want to dual boot between two XP installations -except for
evaluations, trying alternate settings and so forth - beats me.

"roynoblin" - XP must boot from an active partition on drive 0 (usually C).
Regarding "...Now by moving the cables I can boot from both drives...." -
what you are doing is manually changing drive 0 designation back and forth
between the two HDs.

If you, with both HDs installed, had installed XP to "C" and then installed
XP from with the "C" installation to "D" - you would have been presented
with a "dual boot" option via boot.ini as Timothy details.

Timothy has provided excellent advice and optional solutions - however (not
trying to be a wise guy here) my impression, based upon your post, is that
you may not have the expertise to follow his advice.


Timothy Daniels said:
What you want to do is called "dual-booting" - having
2 OSes to choose from at boot time. One easy way is to
use the BIOS by resetting the HARD DRIVE boot order
(not the DEVICE boot order) during POST (the stuff that
the BIOS does before actual loading). This involves going
into the BIOS by hitting Delete or some function key during
POST and changing the HD boot order via keyboard input.
The *default* HD boot order (assuming PATA IDE HDs) is:
Master, IDE channel 0,
Slave, IDE channel 0,
Master, IDE channel 1,
Slave, IDE channel 1.

The HD boot order for SATA HDs is based on their
channel numbers.

The BIOS will name these in its setup screen by using the
names of their model numbers. (If the model nos. are the
same for both HDs, you may not be able to distinguish them.
In my case, I had to use HDs of different capacities to
have differing model nos.) By rearranging which HD is at
the top of the list, you will control which HD's MBR gets
control at boot time. The partition that in turn gets control
of booting is the Primary partition on the HD that is marked
"active". If you only have one Primary partition on each HD,
the setting of the "active" flag is irrelevant. Assuming that
each HD can, when in isolation from the other, boot its OS,
this method will allow you to select the HD when both are
connected.

The other easy method is to use a boot manager to
manage multi-booting. Since your OSes are both in the
WinNT/2K/XP family of Windows OSes, you can use
the MS boot manager (ntldr) and its options file (boot.ini)
to dual-boot (or even multi-boot). If the installer for the
2nd OS was able to see the 1st OS, it would have set up
the boot options file "boot.ini" for dual-booting for you.
That this was the case is hinted by the partition for the 2nd
OS being named "D:" and that you've not mentioned any
other partitions on either HD. Your boot.ini file (which is
a system file and may be hidden if you haven't designated
system files to be unhidden) should look something like this:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 1st OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 2nd OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect

Notice that the 2 lines under "[operating systems]" differ only
in the arbitrary names in quotes and in the argument for "rdisk()".
"0" in rdisk(0) refers to the 0th HD in the HD boot order, and
"1" in rdisk(1) refers to the 1th HD in the HD boot order, i.e.
to "C:" and "D:" (or to "D:" and "C:", depending in the setting of
the HD boot order).

The value after "timeout=" is the number of seconds that
you have to decide which partition to pass control to (i.e. which
OS to boot in your case). After that period, if there is no selection
via keyboard input, the default line in boot.ini is used to pass
control.

The arbitrary character strings in the option lines are merely
for you to distinguish the OSes when they're displayed on the
boot menu at boot time. You can set them to be whatever means
something to you.

If your boot.ini files (at C:\boot.ini and D:\boot.ini) don't
look like the one above, simply edit them with Notepad. Or,
if you don't trust yourself, you can let WinXP do it for you by
running "msconfig", clicking the BOOT.INI tab, and clicking
the "Check all boot paths" button. If the 2nd OS's HD is
connected, msconfig will set up the boot.ini file in the partition
containing the running OS for dual-booting by including an
option line designating the 2nd OS.

*TimDaniels*


roynoblin said:
I only have one PC. I purchased a new hard drive and
windows XP home. I now move the power and ide cable
to the drive I want to boot from.
My ribbon and power supply will let me install two drives.
I set to auto and the PC gave me a C: and D: drive. When
I installed the new XP on the second drive and rebooted,
the PC went nuts. Hence I reformatted the second drive,
moved the cables, installed XP and registered with MS.
Now by moving the cables I can boot from both drives.

Is there some way I can chouse, which drive to boot to and
not have to keep moving the cables?
 
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Rock

Tim, nice post and explanation.

Timothy Daniels said:
What you want to do is called "dual-booting" - having
2 OSes to choose from at boot time. One easy way is to
use the BIOS by resetting the HARD DRIVE boot order
(not the DEVICE boot order) during POST (the stuff that
the BIOS does before actual loading). This involves going
into the BIOS by hitting Delete or some function key during
POST and changing the HD boot order via keyboard input.
The *default* HD boot order (assuming PATA IDE HDs) is:
Master, IDE channel 0,
Slave, IDE channel 0,
Master, IDE channel 1,
Slave, IDE channel 1.

The HD boot order for SATA HDs is based on their
channel numbers.

The BIOS will name these in its setup screen by using the
names of their model numbers. (If the model nos. are the
same for both HDs, you may not be able to distinguish them.
In my case, I had to use HDs of different capacities to
have differing model nos.) By rearranging which HD is at
the top of the list, you will control which HD's MBR gets
control at boot time. The partition that in turn gets control
of booting is the Primary partition on the HD that is marked
"active". If you only have one Primary partition on each HD,
the setting of the "active" flag is irrelevant. Assuming that
each HD can, when in isolation from the other, boot its OS,
this method will allow you to select the HD when both are
connected.

The other easy method is to use a boot manager to
manage multi-booting. Since your OSes are both in the
WinNT/2K/XP family of Windows OSes, you can use
the MS boot manager (ntldr) and its options file (boot.ini)
to dual-boot (or even multi-boot). If the installer for the
2nd OS was able to see the 1st OS, it would have set up
the boot options file "boot.ini" for dual-booting for you.
That this was the case is hinted by the partition for the 2nd
OS being named "D:" and that you've not mentioned any
other partitions on either HD. Your boot.ini file (which is
a system file and may be hidden if you haven't designated
system files to be unhidden) should look something like this:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 1st OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="arbitrary name for 2nd OS"
/noexecute=optin /fastdetect

Notice that the 2 lines under "[operating systems]" differ only
in the arbitrary names in quotes and in the argument for "rdisk()".
"0" in rdisk(0) refers to the 0th HD in the HD boot order, and
"1" in rdisk(1) refers to the 1th HD in the HD boot order, i.e.
to "C:" and "D:" (or to "D:" and "C:", depending in the setting of
the HD boot order).

The value after "timeout=" is the number of seconds that
you have to decide which partition to pass control to (i.e. which
OS to boot in your case). After that period, if there is no selection
via keyboard input, the default line in boot.ini is used to pass
control.

The arbitrary character strings in the option lines are merely
for you to distinguish the OSes when they're displayed on the
boot menu at boot time. You can set them to be whatever means
something to you.

If your boot.ini files (at C:\boot.ini and D:\boot.ini) don't
look like the one above, simply edit them with Notepad. Or,
if you don't trust yourself, you can let WinXP do it for you by
running "msconfig", clicking the BOOT.INI tab, and clicking
the "Check all boot paths" button. If the 2nd OS's HD is
connected, msconfig will set up the boot.ini file in the partition
containing the running OS for dual-booting by including an
option line designating the 2nd OS.

*TimDaniels*


roynoblin said:
I only have one PC. I purchased a new hard drive and
windows XP home. I now move the power and ide cable
to the drive I want to boot from.
My ribbon and power supply will let me install two drives.
I set to auto and the PC gave me a C: and D: drive. When
I installed the new XP on the second drive and rebooted,
the PC went nuts. Hence I reformatted the second drive,
moved the cables, installed XP and registered with MS.
Now by moving the cables I can boot from both drives.

Is there some way I can chouse, which drive to boot to and
not have to keep moving the cables?
 
T

Timothy Daniels

Rock said:
Tim, nice post and explanation.

Now *that* is a compliment. Thank you.
I take back all the nasty things I've said about
you. :)

*TimDaniels*
 
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Timothy Daniels

AJR said:
Timothy has provided excellent advice and optional solutions -
however (not trying to be a wise guy here) my impression,
based upon your post, is that you may not have the expertise
to follow his advice.


Yeah, that's always a problem with open forums. Some
people - maybe lurkers and Google researchers - will get it
the first time, some might have to ask more questions. I hope
the OP will ask more questions if he needs more explanation.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Timothy Daniels

I use it to keep a backup clone available for immediate booting
in the event of a HD failure or file corruption on the primary HD.
(I sometimes dabble in day trading.) I also have the HDs' power
cables on DPST toggle switches so I can disconnect a HD (after
shutting down the PC) without having to open the case.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Thanks Tim and JS, with these two replies I’m sure I can get this working.
AJR, I am a retired NTS (network technical specialist) with over 30 years
experience. I bought my first PC in late 70’s or early 80’s. I can’t answer
why all people would want to duel boot. I could write a book on the
advantages but will limit to Speed and Security. DL’s reply answers my
question on security.
Hence the needs for duel boot. The drive I use for the Internet is so full of
anti-virus and firewall, it is slow. My second drive has XP and the software
I need for my home movies and pictures. They also go back over 30 years. My
hope is having time to convert all my VHS tapes, slides and pictures to DVD.
Without all the other security needs, it clicks along pretty good. It also
has personal records so I am hoping with it being setup with need of a
password; no one will be able to access it through this drive.
Thanks again for all the replies. AJR, my guess is you’re a young man, please
keep an open mind. How well I remember when BG started. He felt if people
wanted it, he would make it. His critic’s helped him fix it and he fixed it
for free. He kept an open mind and my guess is he still does.
 
J

JS

Your Welcome.

By the way for converting those pictures/slides to digital format I use a
second PC which is not connected to the internet, therefore I am able to
disable the AV and firewall and keep all other unnecessary software off that
PC. Scanning slides takes a long time (my flatbed scanner will do eight at a
time) and plenty of disk space.

JS
 
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Anna

roynoblin said:
I only have one PC. I purchased a new hard drive and windows XP home. I now
move the power and ide cable to the drive I want to boot from.
My ribbon and power supply will let me install two drives. I set to auto
and
while I'm online after booting from the first HD, someone could hack
int> the PC gave me a C: and D: drive. When I installed the new XP on the
second
drive and rebooted, the PC went nuts. Hence I reformatted the second
drive,
moved the cables, installed XP and registered with MS. Now by moving the
cables I can boot from both drives.

Is there some way I can chouse, which drive to boot to and not have to
keep
moving the cables?
My reason for doing this is security and speed. I go on the Internet with
the
first HD and never with the second HD.

If I can install both HD's and chouse which to boot from, would it be
possible o my second HD?

Thanks Tim and JS, with these two replies I'm sure I can get this working.
AJR, I am a retired NTS (network technical specialist) with over 30 years
experience. I bought my first PC in late 70's or early 80's. I can't
answer
why all people would want to duel boot. I could write a book on the
advantages but will limit to Speed and Security. DL's reply answers my
question on security.
Hence the needs for duel boot. The drive I use for the Internet is so full
of
anti-virus and firewall, it is slow. My second drive has XP and the
software
I need for my home movies and pictures. They also go back over 30 years.
My
hope is having time to convert all my VHS tapes, slides and pictures to
DVD.
Without all the other security needs, it clicks along pretty good. It also
has personal records so I am hoping with it being setup with need of a
password; no one will be able to access it through this drive.
Thanks again for all the replies. AJR, my guess is you're a young man,
please
keep an open mind. How well I remember when BG started. He felt if people
wanted it, he would make it. His critic's helped him fix it and he fixed
it
for free. He kept an open mind and my guess is he still does.


roynoblin:
In addition to the excellent advice & recommendations you received from Tim
Daniels et al., let me add another approach you may wish to consider...

Assuming you're working with a desktop PC and your computer case has one or
two available 5 1/4" vacant bays that you can utilize, you can equip your
computer with one or two removable hard drives in their mobile racks. By
equipping your desktop computer in this fashion you will, for all practical
purposes, be able to simply and easily maintain a near fail-safe backup
system and at the same time be able to experiment with different programs
and configurations with the full realization that should anything go awry
you will be able to return to your original system and configuration in a
near-instant. And accomplish
this from the comfort of your computer chair with no need to get inside your
computer case to make (what can be) complicated cable/power disconnects and
connects. In my view it's close to an ideal system for many, if not most
desktop PC users and I can virtually guarantee that once you begin working
with this hardware configuration you'll probably never want to return to the
"old" way. It's really that good.

The HDDs are housed in so-called "mobile racks" that fit in the 5 1/4" bays
of a desktop's computer case. The racks themselves are two-piece affairs
with the HDD residing in a removable tray or caddy that slides in & out of
the rack. The beauty of this arrangement is that the hard drive(s) can be
easily accessed from outside the computer case and are instantly connected
or disconnected to & from the system according to the user's needs.

Note that these mobile racks are designed for desktop computers and are not
designed for laptop/notebook machines because of the latter's size/weight
considerations. (Although I note that a very few manufacturers have released
notebooks with one internal HDD and one removable HDD).

So by using a disk imaging program such as Symantec's Norton Ghost or
Acronis True Image or other disk imaging program, the user can routinely
clone the contents of his or her day-to-day working HDD to the second HDD,
thus having a virtual bit-for-bit copy of that working drive. And through
the use of additional removable trays the user is free to create additional
clones on hard drives that can be easily removed from the premises for
near-absolute security.

Then again, one can use separate (limitless!) hard drives for whatever
purposes desired -- installing different operating systems, installing
experimental programs of one sort or another, providing each family member
with his or her own HDD secure in knowledge that each system will be
physically distinct and not impact on any other system. And with additional
removable trays the user can make clones of those drives if desired.

So if and when the day comes when one's HDD goes to "Hard Drive Heaven"
("Hell"?) it's a quick & simple matter to replace that drive with a cloned
HDD, and to do so from the comfort of one's chair without the need to get
inside the computer case.

My preference, if at all possible, is to equip one's desktop PC with two
removable hard drives. However, if the user has only a single 5 1/4" bay
available to house just one mobile rack, he or she can still profitably use
a single removable HDD. In this instance assuming we're working with a fixed
internal HDD as well as a removable HDD and further assuming that PATA and
not SATA HDDs are involved, the fixed internal HDD (presumably the C: drive)
would be configured as Secondary Master while the removable HDD would be
configured as Primary Master. This would allow a boot from the removable HDD
when connected without the need for accessing the system's BIOS. However,
the user could reverse these connections if for one reason or another it was
more practical to do so.

Of course, if the desktop PC was equipped with only a single removable HDD,
i.e., no fixed internal HDD, then that PATA HDD would be obviously connected
as Primary Master.

Most mobile racks are equipped with a simple ON-OFF keylock so that the HDD
contained therein is electrically disconnected from the system when the
rack's keylock is in the OFF position. (For additional safety one can
physically disconnect the removable HDD from the system by a simple pull of
the removable tray's handle after turning the keylock to the OFF position.
No more difficult than opening a miniature desk drawer)

Installing the rack(s) is a comparatively simple matter. No more difficult
than installing an optical drive. And installing (as well as uninstalling)
the HDD in the removable tray is a few seconds affair in most cases.

Do you see the enormous advantages in this hardware configuration? Now you
can safely "play around" with a wide variety of programs & configurations on
either your day-to-day working HDD or a cloned HDD, confident that if
anything goes awry (even to the extent that your working HDD becomes
physically or electronically defective), you have a perfectly good bootable
clone that is virtually instantly at hand. And you can easily clone back to
your internal HDD (assuming it's non-defective) the contents of the
previously cloned removable HDD.

And consider how this type of hardware arrangement admirably lends itself to
a multi-boot system such as the one in which you're interested. Note the
absolute physical isolation afforded by this arrangement and its inherent
advantage of near-instant booting to whichever operating system desired by
the user. There's no need to access the motherboard's BIOS to change the
boot order; a simple turn of the mobile rack's keylock is all that is
necessary. Through the use of removable hard drives you now have at your
disposal within a single PC a *limitless" number of hard drives that you can
use for any purpose whatsoever.

There are a wide variety of mobile racks available on the market today
ranging in cost from about $25 (all plastic) to $50 and up for the
all-aluminum models. Interestingly enough, in my experience working with
more than a score of different makes & models by & large we've never found
much difference among them either in performance or reliability. Since we're
working nearly exclusively these days with SATA HDDs, we're using mobile
racks designed to house that type of HDD. (Mobile racks are designed to
house either PATA or SATA HDDs). As of late we've been using the Athena
MR-125 model. It's an all-plastic model that's relatively inexpensive -
about $25 or so. Has a 80 mm fan at the bottom of the rack which is a nice
feature. I know Newegg carries it and it's generally available from a number
of online vendors. I believe it also comes in a model designed for PATA
HDDs. But there are many, mobile racks designed for both PATA & SATA disks,
so do a Google search of "mobile racks" or "removable hard drives" to peruse
the many different models that are available.

Depending upon the make/model of a particular mobile rack, additional
removable trays may be available at a considerably lower cost than the
entire mobile rack itself. However in many cases additional removable trays
are either unavailable for individual purchase or their cost is so high when
compared with purchasing the entire mobile rack which includes a removable
tray that it's not really economically feasible to purchase only the tray
itself. So that the user winds up purchasing the complete mobile rack(s)
just to obtain the removable tray(s).

I can assure you that once you begin working with removable HDDs you'll have
but one regret -- that you hadn't had this hardware configuration on your
current or previous desktop computer(s). The flexibility, together with
peace of mind that you gain from this arrangement cannot be overstated.
Anna
 
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Timothy Daniels

Anna said:
Assuming you're working with a desktop PC and your
computer case has one or two available 5 1/4" vacant bays
that you can utilize, you can equip your computer with one
or two removable hard drives in their mobile racks.

Anna suggests another good and convenient option in
place of dual-booting. I use it myself for a 3rd HD that
contains several clones so that I can quickly revert to a
previous version of the system if some newly-installed app
or hardware scrambles things.

I have had good luck with Kingwin's mobile racks.
(See http://www.kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp .) They
come in various cooling fan configurations and with
connectors setup for PATA ("IDE") and SATA HDs.
They are all-aluminum (if you're into met-tal), and they
offer separate trays.
(See http://www.kingwin.com/mobileracktrays.asp .)

You can find the sets for prices in the mid-$20s and
extra trays in the mid-$teens. Search the usual pricing
websites (PriceWatch.com, Nextag.com, PriceGrabber.com,
Froogle.Google.com, etc.) using the model number.

Something else to think about if you have a SATA HD
is an external SATA enclosure. The SATA specification
allows for cables long enough to reach outside the case,
and with an external SATA enclosure, you can boot from
an external HD. Now, with eSATA, which doubles the
cable length and includes shielding, and with cooling fans
built into some external enclosures, there's nothing to stop
you from using SATA HDs outside the case. Here is
Kingwin's eSATA external HD enclosure:
http://kingwin.com/jt35eubk.asp

If you need a back panel add-on strip to bring the
SATA signal to an external jack, here's just one source:
http://www.firewire-1394.com/external-sata-solutions.htm

*TimDaniels*
 
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Thanks everyone.
I connected both drives and optioned the first drive (Seagate) as master and
second (WD) as slave.
When I first turned it on, I did not get a choice and running msconfig only
showed the first drive. After clicking the-Check all boot paths button- a
screen came up and said all was fine and nothing had changed.
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="seagate internet use"
/fastdetect

On to plan B
I went to:
My Computer
View System Information
Advanced tab
Clicked the Edit button
I copied the line under [operating systems] and pasted it. I then changed the
rdisk(0) to rdisk(1) in the second line I had just pasted. I also reworded
WINDOWS=“xxxxxxxx†on both lines but that was only to help identify the
drives at start up.

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="seagate internet use"
/fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="wd movie use" /fastdetect

I clicked save and rebooted.
I now have a choice and so far everything works as hoped.

Thanks again everyone and should anyone else decide to try this, if not
already, Please beware any changes to the boot.int can give you a real
headache.
I love open forums, but I’m older now and /or lazier. I will say this is the
best response I’ve ever received. I stared before DOS and between my wife of
over 30 years still having the silly notion I should spend more time with her
than the PC and a memory that ain’t what it used to be, this has been great.
I’d love to get another PC but between fixed income and wife I hope to spend
at least another 30, duel drives are cheap now and this setup gives me the
speed and security I want. My Computer on this drive does not show the second
drive but the second drive shows this one so I can copy files from here to
the second drive.
Anna I agree with you 100%. PC's are where we are today because people like
you saw something and asked what if.
 
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Anna

Timothy Daniels said:
Anna suggests another good and convenient option in
place of dual-booting. I use it myself for a 3rd HD that
contains several clones so that I can quickly revert to a
previous version of the system if some newly-installed app
or hardware scrambles things.

I have had good luck with Kingwin's mobile racks.
(See http://www.kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp .) They
come in various cooling fan configurations and with
connectors setup for PATA ("IDE") and SATA HDs.
They are all-aluminum (if you're into met-tal), and they
offer separate trays.
(See http://www.kingwin.com/mobileracktrays.asp .)

You can find the sets for prices in the mid-$20s and
extra trays in the mid-$teens. Search the usual pricing
websites (PriceWatch.com, Nextag.com, PriceGrabber.com,
Froogle.Google.com, etc.) using the model number.

Something else to think about if you have a SATA HD
is an external SATA enclosure. The SATA specification
allows for cables long enough to reach outside the case,
and with an external SATA enclosure, you can boot from
an external HD. Now, with eSATA, which doubles the
cable length and includes shielding, and with cooling fans
built into some external enclosures, there's nothing to stop
you from using SATA HDs outside the case. Here is
Kingwin's eSATA external HD enclosure:
http://kingwin.com/jt35eubk.asp

If you need a back panel add-on strip to bring the
SATA signal to an external jack, here's just one source:
http://www.firewire-1394.com/external-sata-solutions.htm

*TimDaniels*


Tim:
We've been working nearly exclusively with SATA HDDs over the past few years
and have been looking at a number of SATA-capable mobile HDD racks,
including the Kingwin KF-91 model. As you indicated, the Kingwin racks are
all-aluminum and appear to be well-constructed. However, at least with that
particular Kingwin model we experienced a problem in that because of its
extremely tight tolerances it was very difficult to insert a HDD in the
rack's removable tray. And, of course, very difficult to remove it from the
tray. It could be done but it took an inordinate amount of force to do so.
Since we're heavily involved in inserting & removing HDDs in & out of the
racks we weren't exactly thrilled with that particular model. I don't know
if the other Kingwin mobile racks are constructed similarly to the two units
we had.

As you probably know from my past postings on SATA-capable mobile racks,
we've been using the AthenaPower MR-125 rack for some time and we've been
quite contented with that model. While it's an all-plastic model, it's held
up very nicely. It's equipped with a huge (for a mobile rack) 120 mm fan
that's extremely quiet - virtually inaudible. Also, it uses a simple
latching device (push button) to insert/remove the tray in the rack so that
we don't need a key to do so. And that's a real blessing for us.

We've noted that Newegg has reduced the price on that AthenaPower model
(comes in beige or black); currently selling for $11.99 + 5.64 shipping - a
really incredible price. See
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817123302

BTW, while we haven't worked with the Kingwin eSATA-USB combo unit you
mentioned, we have worked with their TL-35CS SATA-USB external combo unit
which is equipped with a "normal" SATA port and not the eSATA port. In any
event, we've been pleased with that unit.
Anna
 
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Timothy Daniels

Anna said:
We've been working nearly exclusively with SATA HDDs
over the past few years and have been looking at a number
of SATA-capable mobile HDD racks, including the Kingwin
KF-91 model. As you indicated, the Kingwin racks are
all-aluminum and appear to be well-constructed. However,
at least with that particular Kingwin model we experienced
a problem in that because of its extremely tight tolerances it
was very difficult to insert a HDD in the rack's removable tray.
And, of course, very difficult to remove it from the tray. It
could be done but it took an inordinate amount of force to
do so. Since we're heavily involved in inserting & removing
HDDs in & out of the racks we weren't exactly thrilled with
that particular model. I don't know if the other Kingwin mobile
racks are constructed similarly to the two units we had.


I've only had experience with the PATA mobile racks,
and for those, the HDs slip in and out of the tray easily.
Getting the connector on and off will not tolerate fumble-
fingers, though. Was the difficulty you experienced due to
crowded connector area at the back of the HD, or was it
due to narrowness of the tray?

As you probably know from my past postings on SATA-
capable mobile racks, we've been using the AthenaPower
MR-125 rack for some time and we've been quite contented
with that model. While it's an all-plastic model, it's held up
very nicely. It's equipped with a huge (for a mobile rack)
120 mm fan that's extremely quiet - virtually inaudible.


I have a bottom fan in the tray of my mobile rack, too,
and it's quiet and effective, but I think it's only 80mm in diam.
I think you may have mis-measured the Athena fan, as the
AthenaPower website says the fan has a diameter of 8cm,
i.e. 80mm. (See http://athenapower.com/sub/mr125b.htm ,
http://athenapower.com/sub/mr125sata.htm ) A nice thing
about the bottom fan is that you don't hear the whine of a
tiny fan in front spinning at high speed.

Also, it uses a simple latching device (push button) to
insert/remove the tray in the rack so that we don't need
a key to do so. And that's a real blessing for us.


The Kingwin trays have a latching cam handle which swings
down over the face of the tray to lever the tray into the rack.
It works, but it's balky at times. There is a key that locks it
in place and connects the power to the HD.

We've noted that Newegg has reduced the price on that
AthenaPower model (comes in beige or black); currently
selling for $11.99 + 5.64 shipping - a really incredible price.
See
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817123302


That price is a very strong argument. I think anyone with a
spare 5 1/4" bay should try it.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Anna

Tim:
The problem with the removable tray in the KEF-91 (at least with respect to
the two units we had) was the narrowness of the tray.

Yes, you're correct about the size of the bottom-mounted fan in the Athena
mobile rack. It is indeed 80 mm. Still fairly large, of course, for a mobile
rack fan. And the fact that it's so quiet is a real plus.
Anna
 

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