Zones are not automatically created

[Simon]

After a recent new installation of windows 2000 server the
DNS failed to create (as it normally does) the follwoing
Reverse lookup zones:
127.in.addr.arpa
0.in.addr.arpa
255.in.addr.arpa

Any thoughts?? I tried to lookup the problem in Knowledge
base but cannot find anything resembling this problem.

HELP!!!

 

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

S> I tried to lookup the problem in Knowledge base
S> but cannot find anything resembling this problem.

Microsoft KnowledgeBase article 198410

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

In

After a recent new installation of windows 2000 server the
DNS failed to create (as it normally does) the follwoing
Reverse lookup zones:
127.in.addr.arpa
0.in.addr.arpa
255.in.addr.arpa

Any thoughts?? I tried to lookup the problem in Knowledge
base but cannot find anything resembling this problem.

HELP!!!

DNS will not automatically create zones, AD can create the Forward lookup
zone during DCPROMO but if you delete the zone you must manually recreate
the zone, as long as you have allow dynamic updates set to "yes" the rcords
in the zone witl be recreated when the Netlogon service is restarted or if
you enter the command ipconfig /registerdns
You must also manually create you reverse lookup zone, allow dynamic updates
and use ipconfig /registerdns command.

 

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

S> the DNS [server] failed to create (as it normally does) the
S> follwoing Reverse lookup zones:
S> 127.in.addr.arpa
S> 0.in.addr.arpa
S> 255.in.addr.arpa

KDGS> [the] DNS [server] will not automatically create zones, [...]

Untrue. Microsoft's DNS server, by default, automatically creates and
populates the three that he has named.

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

In

the DNS [server] failed to create (as it normally does) the
follwoing Reverse lookup zones:
127.in.addr.arpa
0.in.addr.arpa
255.in.addr.arpa

KDGS> [the] DNS [server] will not automatically create zones, [...]

Untrue. Microsoft's DNS server, by default, automatically creates and
populates the three that he has named.

Can you tell me without a doubt that it is DNS that creates the zones and
not the OS or DNS installer program or the OS?
Will DNS recreate these zones if you delete them?
If not then I would say that DNS does not create these zones.

The AD zone is automatically created too, but DNS does not create the zone,
if that were true then DNS will recreate the zone if you delete it. DCPROMO
creates the zone, if you delete it you have to manually recreate the zone,
AD will create the records in it.

 

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

S> the DNS [server] failed to create (as it normally does) the
S> follwoing Reverse lookup zones:
S> 127.in.addr.arpa
S> 0.in.addr.arpa
S> 255.in.addr.arpa

KDGS> [the] DNS [server] will not automatically create zones, [...]

JdeBP> Untrue. Microsoft's DNS server, by default, automatically
JdeBP> creates and populates the three that he has named.

KDGS> Can you tell me without a doubt that it is [the] DNS [server]
KDGS> that creates the zones and not the OS or DNS installer program
KDGS> or the OS?

I don't need to "tell you without a doubt". You can reason it out logically
without needing to rely upon what I say. (Or you can search Google Groups and
find the answer in these very fora, posted by (to pick one example) William L.
Whipple; or read the KnowledgeBase article whose number I gave, which also
says; or even read the "Troubleshooting" section of the product documentation,
which also says.)

To reason it out logically: It's definitely not the operating system that
creates them, because the operating system doesn't deal in such things as
magically populating the databases of applications programs. It's definitely
not the installation program that is solely responsible for creating them,
because the functionality is controlled by a configurable parameter of the DNS
Server service (which would be pointless to have if it _were_ the
configuration program that created the "zones", because one wouldn't be able
to configure the behaviour until after the installation program had run). It
is, therefore, the actual DNS server service that (by default) automatically
creates these zone.

Reason agrees with what Microsoft's product documentation, the KnowledgeBase
article, other posts in these fora, and I, all say. (-:

KDGS> Will [the] DNS [server] recreate these zones if you delete them?

Yes (by default), at the next restart. Search these "microsoft.*.dns" fora on
Google Groups and you'll find people experiencing exactly this occurring.
You'll also find people having to delete them in order to have them
automatically re-created, because they became corrupted; and people wondering
why they keep being reset at each restart.

KDGS> If not then I would say that [the] DNS [server] does not
KDGS> create these zones.

It is fortunate, then, that the condition that you give is not fulfilled.
Otherwise you'd be in a minority of one. (-:

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

In Ace Fekay [MVP] <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&[email protected]>
posted their concerns
Then Kevin made his reply below:

Kevin, you're correct that DNS will not create FLZs basaed on your
domain name (other than if you have DCPROMO do it) or a zone in the
RLZ based on your subnet, *but* Jonathan is actually correct in that
it creates these three zones below:


You can see them in Advanced view under the RLZ. They're based on the
loopback and broadcast reverse zone. I know that all Windows DNS
servers have them.

I know I didn't create them on my machine.

I accept that these zones are automatically created, my point is Does DNS
create these zones or something else?
My thinking is that since the zones were not being created what is
responsble for creating them?
Is it DNS or some other service or application?

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

In

In Ace Fekay [MVP]
<PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&[email protected]> posted
their concerns
Then Kevin made his reply below:
I accept that these zones are automatically created, my point is Does
DNS create these zones or something else?
My thinking is that since the zones were not being created what is
responsble for creating them?
Is it DNS or some other service or application?

DNS creates them when you first install the service automatically. Actually
nothing else does.


Cheers!


--
Regards,
Ace

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Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

In Ace Fekay [MVP] <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&[email protected]>
posted their concerns
Then Kevin made his reply below:

In

DNS creates them when you first install the service automatically.
Actually nothing else does.


Cheers!


--
Regards,
Ace

Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

I don't see anyway to change the zones or add/delete records.
Then I guess if they aren't there you have to reinstall DNS to get them.

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

In

I don't see anyway to change the zones or add/delete records.
Then I guess if they aren't there you have to reinstall DNS to get
them.

True. Haven't had any probs associated with them as of yet. So actually
never researched it. Just know they are there!

--
Regards,
Ace

Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

 

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

KDGS> I accept that these zones are automatically created, my
KDGS> point is Does DNS create these zones or something else?

The DNS doesn't create them. Your DNS server does.

KDGS> My thinking is that since the zones were not being created
KDGS> what is responsble for creating them?

The simple explanation for these "zones" not being automatically created on
Simon's machine is that he went and stopped them from being automatically
created. He was pointed him in the direction of the Microsoft KnowledgeBase
article listing the relevant setting in the Registry. Have you not noticed
that he has been very quiet since ?

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

In

KDGS> I accept that these zones are automatically created, my
KDGS> point is Does DNS create these zones or something else?

The DNS doesn't create them. Your DNS server does.

KDGS> My thinking is that since the zones were not being created
KDGS> what is responsble for creating them?

The simple explanation for these "zones" not being automatically
created on Simon's machine is that he went and stopped them from
being automatically created. He was pointed him in the direction of
the Microsoft KnowledgeBase article listing the relevant setting in
the Registry. Have you not noticed that he has been very quiet since
?

Have you not noticed that this was the discussion going on after the
discussion. Do you have a problem with this Jonathan?
It has been five days since the last post in this thread, aren't you going
to let it die peacefully?
Or, are you going to insist on having the last word?
Beside all that, I have only responded to posts directed at me, just as I am
responding to this one. You can choose to accept my response or you can ask
me if I notice the behavior has been resolved.
To which I will respond by saying Yes, I know, don't you?