XP PRO SERIAL NUMBER

[PaulM]

Hold down CTL and use the mouse wheel, up or down.

"Rock" <[email protected]> wrote

Peter

I am not an expert understanding WPA, however I have heard (read) a few
things over time
concerning what it looks for to 'authenticate' your copy.

You may already know XP looks to 'see' all kinds of things on your
pc
every boot, then decides if you have a 'legit' copy or not. Included in
the list of items it checks is the HD partition size (volume on
which
it's loaded), volume serial number and type of file system (FAT32,
NTFS
etc.). My experience has been like yours, install a new HD, copy
everything over and find XP will not boot to desktop but instead tells
me I need to activate the software!!

Personally I cannot stand all this 'security' stuff, never-the-less M$
has incorporated it into their system and in all likelihood you will
have to call OR setup your new HD to have the same volume size and file
system on which it was originally installed. It should not prompt
you
to
reactivate for a different volume S/N.

The toll free phone # for activating should be on the banner M$ used
telling you to activate, but here it is in case it's handier:
888-571-2048

I have a legitimate copy of XP PRO but how do I go about reloading it
on a
computer that suffered a serious hard drive fault? I got as far as
loading
XP PRO onto the hardrive but wouldn't allow me to authenticate it
online?

The phone number to call depends on where one lives.

Here is a link with info on how WPA works so you don't have to guess.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]



Hi all,

Thinking of building a new machine soon, thinking about XP.
Excuse my ignorance, but,
How would the installation know, on a new, formatted HD, how large the old
one was?
It comes off a CD or DVD does it not?
This is not writable to, so I don't know how it could know this info.

Dennis, I don't understand the question. How large the old what was? What
comes off a CD or DVD? More details needed.

Hi Rock,

Since a CD or DVD install disc cannot be written to, there would be no
record of the original configuration of the machine.

I was asking how would the installation program, which to my knowledge
comes
from a CD or DVD, know how large the previous HD was compared to the new
one
being installed at this time. If the drive has been newly formatted, or is
a
brand new drive, there is nothing on it to indicate what once was or is on
the machine.

How would the installation program, which to my knowledge comes from a CD
or
DVD, know what the other hardware contents are of the machine it is
installing XP into?

Thanks ,
Dennis

 

[PaulM]

Sorry replied to the wrong message.

Hold down CTL and use the mouse wheel, up or down.

Peter

I am not an expert understanding WPA, however I have heard (read) a few
things over time
concerning what it looks for to 'authenticate' your copy.

You may already know XP looks to 'see' all kinds of things on your
pc
every boot, then decides if you have a 'legit' copy or not.
Included in
the list of items it checks is the HD partition size (volume on
which
it's loaded), volume serial number and type of file system (FAT32,
NTFS
etc.). My experience has been like yours, install a new HD, copy
everything over and find XP will not boot to desktop but instead tells
me I need to activate the software!!

Personally I cannot stand all this 'security' stuff, never-the-less M$
has incorporated it into their system and in all likelihood you
will
have to call OR setup your new HD to have the same volume size and file
system on which it was originally installed. It should not prompt
you
to
reactivate for a different volume S/N.

The toll free phone # for activating should be on the banner M$
used
telling you to activate, but here it is in case it's handier:
888-571-2048

I have a legitimate copy of XP PRO but how do I go about reloading it
on a
computer that suffered a serious hard drive fault? I got as far as
loading
XP PRO onto the hardrive but wouldn't allow me to authenticate it
online?

The phone number to call depends on where one lives.

Here is a link with info on how WPA works so you don't have to guess.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]



Hi all,

Thinking of building a new machine soon, thinking about XP.
Excuse my ignorance, but,
How would the installation know, on a new, formatted HD, how large the old
one was?
It comes off a CD or DVD does it not?
This is not writable to, so I don't know how it could know this info.


Dennis, I don't understand the question. How large the old what was? What
comes off a CD or DVD? More details needed.

Hi Rock,

Since a CD or DVD install disc cannot be written to, there would be no
record of the original configuration of the machine.

I was asking how would the installation program, which to my knowledge
comes
from a CD or DVD, know how large the previous HD was compared to the new
one
being installed at this time. If the drive has been newly formatted, or
is a
brand new drive, there is nothing on it to indicate what once was or is
on
the machine.

How would the installation program, which to my knowledge comes from a CD
or
DVD, know what the other hardware contents are of the machine it is
installing XP into?

Thanks ,
Dennis

 

[Rock]

"Rock" <[email protected]> wrote

Peter

I am not an expert understanding WPA, however I have heard (read) a few
things over time
concerning what it looks for to 'authenticate' your copy.

You may already know XP looks to 'see' all kinds of things on your
pc
every boot, then decides if you have a 'legit' copy or not. Included in
the list of items it checks is the HD partition size (volume on
which
it's loaded), volume serial number and type of file system (FAT32,
NTFS
etc.). My experience has been like yours, install a new HD, copy
everything over and find XP will not boot to desktop but instead tells
me I need to activate the software!!

Personally I cannot stand all this 'security' stuff, never-the-less M$
has incorporated it into their system and in all likelihood you will
have to call OR setup your new HD to have the same volume size and file
system on which it was originally installed. It should not prompt
you
to
reactivate for a different volume S/N.

The toll free phone # for activating should be on the banner M$ used
telling you to activate, but here it is in case it's handier:
888-571-2048

I have a legitimate copy of XP PRO but how do I go about reloading it
on a
computer that suffered a serious hard drive fault? I got as far as
loading
XP PRO onto the hardrive but wouldn't allow me to authenticate it
online?

The phone number to call depends on where one lives.

Here is a link with info on how WPA works so you don't have to guess.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]



Hi all,

Thinking of building a new machine soon, thinking about XP.
Excuse my ignorance, but,
How would the installation know, on a new, formatted HD, how large the old
one was?
It comes off a CD or DVD does it not?
This is not writable to, so I don't know how it could know this info.

Dennis, I don't understand the question. How large the old what was? What
comes off a CD or DVD? More details needed.

Hi Rock,

Since a CD or DVD install disc cannot be written to, there would be no
record of the original configuration of the machine.

I was asking how would the installation program, which to my knowledge
comes
from a CD or DVD, know how large the previous HD was compared to the new
one
being installed at this time. If the drive has been newly formatted, or is
a
brand new drive, there is nothing on it to indicate what once was or is on
the machine.

How would the installation program, which to my knowledge comes from a CD
or
DVD, know what the other hardware contents are of the machine it is
installing XP into?

Dennis, what's the underlying question here? When XP is installed the
installation routine queries the hardware to see what's there, and
customizes the installation based on that. Is your question related to
product activation or WGA or what? If your question is about WPA here is a
good link with info. Otherwise, I'm just not understanding what you are
really asking about, so you'll need to clarify some more.

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

 

[Alias]

Did you mean to say something?

Only for those people with an open mind, not you.

Alias

 

[relic]

Only for those people with an open mind, not you.

Then, why do you persist? Your type are in c.o.l.a. Maybe you can pick up
someone there.

 

[Alias]

Then, why do you persist?

Let's see, because the mood strikes me? Freedom of speech? It gets
Wintards like you upset?

Your type are in c.o.l.a. Maybe you can pick up
someone there.

I'm looking to help Windows users and where would be a better place than
a Windows newsgroup?

Alias

 

[Leythos]

I'm looking to help Windows users and where would be a better place than
a Windows newsgroup?

But you don't provide help, only lies and rantings.

 

[Alias]

But you don't provide help, only lies and rantings.

Um, you're the one lying and making up stories about people, not me. Now
go ahead and lie and say it isn't so.

Why would Ubuntu help Windows users?

1. No activation

2. Can be installed on multiple computers for free.

3. No WGA

4. Safe surfing

5. Meets most people's needs and if you need Windows for a special
program, create a Window for it and, if you like, its very own Desktop
which would be only one click away.

6. It's free.

7. It doesn't require buying new hardware like Vista does.

8. No need for an anti virus or firewall.

9. No need for anti spy/mal/ad ware apps.

10. No reactivation if you update your drivers, hardware or BIOS.

11. Linux Update updates *everything* on your computer. No need to be
looking for a driver here, an update to Java there, Office here, Windows
there, Thunderbird here, Fire Fox there. You get the idea.

Alias

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I'm looking to help Windows users and where would be a better place than
a Windows newsgroup?

Alias

Ah... But you're not really "looking to help Windows users," are you?
You never have been. A quick look at your posting history reveals the
you actually offer technical help less than 10% of the time. The
overwhelming majority of your posts have always been mindless and
unfounded (not to mention often untrue) anti-Microsoft tirades. And
lately, you've been posting spamvertisements for one Linux distro,
making grossly untrue claims in the process. Whether these repeated
untruths are deliberate or the results of simple ignorance remains to be
determined, but, given how often you've been corrected, my money's on
the former.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

 

[Leythos]

Um, you're the one lying and making up stories about people, not me. Now
go ahead and lie and say it isn't so.

I call it like I see it - prove me wrong.

Why would Ubuntu help Windows users?

1. No activation

Activation does not impose any hardship on users.

2. Can be installed on multiple computers for free.

And you get what you pay for - there are MUCH better version of Linux if
people want to go that route.

3. No WGA

Not seen it cause a problem on more than 2500 machines so far.

4. Safe surfing

Already got it, never had a managed network compromised, and have not had
one compromised on the ones where browsing is properly configured.

5. Meets most people's needs and if you need Windows for a special
program, create a Window for it and, if you like, its very own Desktop
which would be only one click away.

No, meets few people's needs, but can make do as a good Web/Email and
limited document system.

Most Windows apps don't run, and that's a LOT of things many people need.

6. It's free.

See #2 above

7. It doesn't require buying new hardware like Vista does.

We're in a XP Group, and my wireless is not supported under the latest
Ubuntu.

8. No need for an anti virus or firewall.

AV, not currently, firewall yes, still needed.

9. No need for anti spy/mal/ad ware apps.

Blind faith is stupid, you seem to miss all the exploits that are out
there for Linix machines.

10. No reactivation if you update your drivers, hardware or BIOS.

In the last 5 years I've only had to do this twice, and only had to call
once. Oh, and the last time I changed significant hardware on my Linux
build it would not boot - forcing a reinstall.

11. Linux Update updates *everything* on your computer. No need to be
looking for a driver here, an update to Java there, Office here, Windows
there, Thunderbird here, Fire Fox there. You get the idea.

That's good - but it's not that important since most of the apps we run on
Win check for updates on their own.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Leythos wrote:


Why would Ubuntu help Windows users?

It can't, at all. Even a moron can see that another OS can't resolve
any problems with Windows.

1. No activation

2. Can be installed on multiple computers for free.

3. No WGA

Again, so what? These aren't problems, except in your delusional
world. At the worst, they're inconveniences. Just like having to have
and use locks on one's homes and automobiles, to reduce casual theft.

4. Safe surfing

An outright lie. And you're deliberately omitting the fact that a
great many web-pages, especially those specifically targeted to Windows
users (i.e., >95% of the world) simply won't work or look right.

5. Meets most people's needs ....

Assuming all they do is use email, light web-browsing, and simple text
processing. Most people I know use their computers for more than that.
Yes, I know about Open Office; it might mean some people's simple
needs, but it's certainly no replacement for the more advanced
productivity suites available for Windows. There are a lot of open
source applications written to "replace" commonly used Windows
applications, but most of them are feature-poor, when compared to the
originals, and often distro-specific.

.... and if you need Windows for a special
program, create a Window for it and, if you like, its very own Desktop
which would be only one click away.

And precisely how easy is it to create a Wine session that means
advanced needs? How often have you done so? Which specifc Windows
applications do you have running on Ubuntoo?

6. It's free.

Free of monetary cost, yes. But it's labor and time-intensive to learn
and maintain. Most people prefer to use their computers to do something
other than learn to use their computers. Linux is great for the
hobbyist, and has many uses as a server OS; it's not ready for prime in
the home consumer or corporate worlds, yet. Probably never will be,
given the basic philosophy behind the open source movement.

7. It doesn't require buying new hardware like Vista does.

Yes, Linux is best on older equipment, as it takes a year or two for
device drivers to become available with each new distro. And most Linux
distros are, admittedly, less resource-needy than is Vista, because they
lack most of the features that most consumers want in their OS.
However, accusing Vista of requiring new hardware is completely
disingenuous; every new operating system is designed to take advantage
of new advances in technologies. So what? It has always been this way.
This is common knowledge, and anyone with a lick of sense plans
accordingly.

8. No need for an anti virus or firewall.

9. No need for anti spy/mal/ad ware apps.

Outright lies. Linux viruses have been around for years. Further, by
its very nature, an Open Source operating system, such as Linux, will
always be more vulnerable than a proprietary system. With Open Source,
absolutely anyone with the knowledge and desire can obtain full access
to the underlying source code of the OS. This will always be a weak
spot for Linux.

The only thing so far keeping Linux users safe is the fact that very
few people are going to target malware at 2% to 3% of the desktop market
when there's a much fatter target to aim for. There's just no money or
"bang for the buck" in it. Another "safeguard," if one can call it
that, is the sheer number of different Linux distros out there, making
it difficult to create an exploit that will even be noticed by any
significant number of people.

10. No reactivation if you update your drivers, hardware or BIOS.

The same is normally true of Windows. What's your point?

11. Linux Update updates *everything* on your computer.

Another outright lie.

No need to be
looking for a driver here, .....

Because they probably don't exist... But, still, a deliberate
falsehood. As all too many people know from first hand experience.

... an update to Java there,

Oh, when did Linux buy Sun Microsystems? We all know that that
couldn't possibly have happened, so I can't even imagine why you'd make
such an outrageous claim.

Office here, Windows
there,

One source: Microsoft Update; it's been that way for a couple years
now. Why do you falsely claim otherwise?

Thunderbird here, Fire Fox there. You get the idea.

Again, when did Linux buy Mozilla?

Just because the Big Lie technique worked once, it doesn't mean it'll
work again, particularly when applied in such an amateurish manner as
you've done.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

 

[Alias]

It can't, at all. Even a moron can see that another OS can't
resolve any problems with Windows.

Yes, it does. It offers a better alternative to the all intrusive Windows.

Again, so what? These aren't problems, except in your delusional
world. At the worst, they're inconveniences. Just like having to have
and use locks on one's homes and automobiles, to reduce casual theft.

Many people have had problems with WPA and WGA and you know it.

An outright lie. And you're deliberately omitting the fact that a
great many web-pages, especially those specifically targeted to Windows
users (i.e., >95% of the world) simply won't work or look right.

No, the truth.

Assuming all they do is use email, light web-browsing, and simple
text processing. Most people I know use their computers for more than
that. Yes, I know about Open Office; it might mean some people's simple
needs, but it's certainly no replacement for the more advanced
productivity suites available for Windows. There are a lot of open
source applications written to "replace" commonly used Windows
applications, but most of them are feature-poor, when compared to the
originals, and often distro-specific.

No, it meets *most* people's needs.

And precisely how easy is it to create a Wine session that means
advanced needs? How often have you done so? Which specifc Windows
applications do you have running on Ubuntoo?

Um, it's not called WINE. It's called VMware.

Free of monetary cost, yes. But it's labor and time-intensive to
learn and maintain. Most people prefer to use their computers to do
something other than learn to use their computers. Linux is great for
the hobbyist, and has many uses as a server OS; it's not ready for
prime in the home consumer or corporate worlds, yet. Probably never
will be, given the basic philosophy behind the open source movement.

It takes A LOT less time to install Ubuntu than Windows. Period.

Yes, Linux is best on older equipment, as it takes a year or two for
device drivers to become available with each new distro. And most Linux
distros are, admittedly, less resource-needy than is Vista, because they
lack most of the features that most consumers want in their OS. However,
accusing Vista of requiring new hardware is completely disingenuous;
every new operating system is designed to take advantage of new advances
in technologies. So what? It has always been this way. This is common
knowledge, and anyone with a lick of sense plans accordingly.

Like I said, it doesn't require buying new hardware.

Outright lies. Linux viruses have been around for years. Further,
by its very nature, an Open Source operating system, such as Linux, will
always be more vulnerable than a proprietary system. With Open Source,
absolutely anyone with the knowledge and desire can obtain full access
to the underlying source code of the OS. This will always be a weak
spot for Linux.

Sure, pull the other one, it has bells on it.

The only thing so far keeping Linux users safe is the fact that very
few people are going to target malware at 2% to 3% of the desktop market
when there's a much fatter target to aim for. There's just no money or
"bang for the buck" in it. Another "safeguard," if one can call it
that, is the sheer number of different Linux distros out there, making
it difficult to create an exploit that will even be noticed by any
significant number of people.



The same is normally true of Windows. What's your point?

It's NOT normally true with Windows. Many people have reported having to
reactivate for upgrading hardware or flashing the BIOS. Change your NIC
three times and see what happens.

Another outright lie.

No, it isn't.

Because they probably don't exist... But, still, a deliberate
falsehood. As all too many people know from first hand experience.

I know of at least ten computers that have had Ubuntu installed on it
and no problem with drivers.

Oh, when did Linux buy Sun Microsystems? We all know that that
couldn't possibly have happened, so I can't even imagine why you'd make
such an outrageous claim.

Update Java for Windows. I have Java on my Ubuntu machine and did not
need to go look for it on the Net.

One source: Microsoft Update; it's been that way for a couple years
now. Why do you falsely claim otherwise?

OK, point taken for Windows and Office but everything else must be known
about and then found on the Net.

Again, when did Linux buy Mozilla?

I am posting using Thunderbird while running Ubuntu. Check the headers.

Now comes the inevitable lies and insults:

Just because the Big Lie technique worked once, it doesn't mean
it'll work again, particularly when applied in such an amateurish manner
as you've done.

I didn't lie about a thing.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I call it like I see it - prove me wrong.

I did. Passport/ten years. Remember?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Ah... But you're not really "looking to help Windows users," are
you?

Help Windows users become informed of alternatives.

Unfounded insults and lies snipped.

Alias

 

[Alfred Einstein]

What are the benefits of Ubuntu over XP or Vista?

1. No activation

XP ... no activation either. Buy, plug in, run. No activation.

2. Can be installed on multiple computers for free.

Yes, free ... if you want to do the work.

3. No WGA So?

4. Safe surfing

XP, same here.

5. Meets most people's needs and if you need Windows for a special
program, create a Window for it and, if you like, its very own Desktop
which would be only one click away. WTF?

6. It's free.

You said that already.

7. It doesn't require buying new hardware like Vista does.

This was about XP, not Vista.

8. No need for an anti virus or firewall.

Huh? Oh oh oh ... okay ... what's your IP address, please?

9. No need for anti spy/mal/ad ware apps.

Huh?

10. No reactivation if you update your drivers, hardware or BIOS. Likewise.

11. Linux Update updates *everything* on your computer. No need to be
looking for a driver here, an update to Java there, Office here, Windows
there, Thunderbird here, Fire Fox there. You get the idea.

I've never looked for any, either. They came looking for me.

I think you might want to try Windows again. But this time, RTFM.

 

[Leythos]

I did. Passport/ten years. Remember?

LOL - like I would take the word of a Troll posting anti-MS crap, filled
with lies and half-truths, like you?

 

[relic]

I'm looking to help Windows users and where would be a better place
than a Windows newsgroup?

I'm waiting to see your very first effort at that. Go!

 

[Dennis Schmitz]

Peter

I am not an expert understanding WPA, however I have heard (read)

a
few

things over time
concerning what it looks for to 'authenticate' your copy.

You may already know XP looks to 'see' all kinds of things on your
pc
every boot, then decides if you have a 'legit' copy or not.

Included
in

the list of items it checks is the HD partition size (volume on
which
it's loaded), volume serial number and type of file system (FAT32,
NTFS
etc.). My experience has been like yours, install a new HD, copy
everything over and find XP will not boot to desktop but instead tells
me I need to activate the software!!

Personally I cannot stand all this 'security' stuff,

never-the-less
M$

has incorporated it into their system and in all likelihood you will
have to call OR setup your new HD to have the same volume size and file
system on which it was originally installed. It should not prompt
you
to
reactivate for a different volume S/N.

The toll free phone # for activating should be on the banner M$ used
telling you to activate, but here it is in case it's handier:
888-571-2048

I have a legitimate copy of XP PRO but how do I go about

reloading
it

on a
computer that suffered a serious hard drive fault? I got as far as
loading
XP PRO onto the hardrive but wouldn't allow me to authenticate it
online?

The phone number to call depends on where one lives.

Here is a link with info on how WPA works so you don't have to guess.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]



Hi all,

Thinking of building a new machine soon, thinking about XP.
Excuse my ignorance, but,
How would the installation know, on a new, formatted HD, how large

the
old

one was?
It comes off a CD or DVD does it not?
This is not writable to, so I don't know how it could know this info.


Dennis, I don't understand the question. How large the old what was? What
comes off a CD or DVD? More details needed.

Hi Rock,

Since a CD or DVD install disc cannot be written to, there would be no
record of the original configuration of the machine.

I was asking how would the installation program, which to my knowledge
comes
from a CD or DVD, know how large the previous HD was compared to the new
one
being installed at this time. If the drive has been newly formatted, or is
a
brand new drive, there is nothing on it to indicate what once was or is on
the machine.

How would the installation program, which to my knowledge comes from a CD
or
DVD, know what the other hardware contents are of the machine it is
installing XP into?

Dennis, what's the underlying question here? When XP is installed the
installation routine queries the hardware to see what's there, and
customizes the installation based on that. Is your question related to
product activation or WGA or what? If your question is about WPA here is a
good link with info. Otherwise, I'm just not understanding what you are
really asking about, so you'll need to clarify some more.

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Rock,

Sorry to be such a thickhead, but this thread is getting confusing. As I
reread the thread I see that I must have gotten multiple posts confused and
combined.

My question seems to be irrelevant, and I apologize for causing more
confusion to the thread and group.

Thanks for the above link, very informative. It did answer some other
questions I had, and some I hadn't thought of yet.

I will sit down , and shut up now

Thanks again,
Dennis

 

[Rock]

"Dennis Schmitz"wrote

Rock,

Sorry to be such a thickhead, but this thread is getting confusing. As I
reread the thread I see that I must have gotten multiple posts confused
and
combined.

My question seems to be irrelevant, and I apologize for causing more
confusion to the thread and group.

Thanks for the above link, very informative. It did answer some other
questions I had, and some I hadn't thought of yet.

I will sit down , and shut up now

Yeah the post did get hijacked in a garbage direction. No problem Dennis,
post back any time.

 

[Mr X]

What are the benefits of Ubuntu over XP or Vista?

1. No activation

2. Can be installed on multiple computers for free.

3. No WGA

4. Safe surfing

5. Meets most people's needs and if you need Windows for a special
program, create a Window for it and, if you like, its very own Desktop
which would be only one click away.

6. It's free.

7. It doesn't require buying new hardware like Vista does.

8. No need for an anti virus or firewall.

9. No need for anti spy/mal/ad ware apps.

10. No reactivation if you update your drivers, hardware or BIOS.

11. Linux Update updates *everything* on your computer. No need to be
looking for a driver here, an update to Java there, Office here, Windows
there, Thunderbird here, Fire Fox there. You get the idea.

Alias

I just downloaded and installed ubuntu feisty, never used it before and I
was setup, updated, and surfing within a couple of hours. It looks like I
need to do some learning because it is different from windows. I saw a
version of ubuntu feisty with beryl desktop installed, it looked better than
anything I've ever seen before, I think I've been converted