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I Just Farted
VISTA sucks donkey balls. It is a worse OS than WinME ever was... If
we are lucky it will suffer the same fate! Total piece of shit.
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VISTA sucks donkey balls. It is a worse OS than WinME ever was... If
we are lucky it will suffer the same fate! Total piece of shit.
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Linux Geek
Hello,
I am putting together a PC. I will use the PC for business and engineering,
and I install on it a lot of software from different makers. The hardware I
will use will be new, Vista compatible. I like the features of Vista, but I
am worried about compatibility issues with software. Should I install XP
and upgrade to Vista later on? Should I install Vista right away? All new
computers seem to have Vista pre-installed, so Vista must be good and stable
and compatible with software. I do not know. Please tell me what you
think. Thank you.
T.I.
Aaaah, the pleasures of Linux.
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__________________________________________________________________
Linux Geek
Saying that XP is the most stable MS OS is like saying that
asparagus is the most articulate vegetable. (Dave Barry)
E
Ed Medlin
I do lots of A/V work and you will probably run into some of the sameTalal Itani said:Hello,
I am putting together a PC. I will use the PC for business and
engineering, and I install on it a lot of software from different
makers. The hardware I will use will be new, Vista compatible. I
like the features of Vista, but I am worried about compatibility
issues with software. Should I install XP and upgrade to Vista later
on? Should I install Vista right away? All new computers seem to
have Vista pre-installed, so Vista must be good and stable and
compatible with software. I do not know. Please tell me what you
think. Thank you.
T.I.
problems I did with Vista. Some of my software is very expensive. Even
the software that had Vista "updates" had functions that were disabled
or crippled in a lot of cases. Your engineering and cad software may
have similiar issues, so if you don't want to replace expensive software
I would use XP/XP Pro.
Ed
B
Bob Fry
TI> Hello, I am putting together a PC. I will use the PC for
TI> business and engineering, and I install on it a lot of
TI> software from different makers. The hardware I will use will
TI> be new, Vista compatible. I like the features of Vista, but I
TI> am worried about compatibility issues with software. Should I
TI> install XP and upgrade to Vista later on? Should I install
TI> Vista right away? All new computers seem to have Vista
TI> pre-installed, so Vista must be good and stable and compatible
TI> with software. I do not know. Please tell me what you think.
TI> Thank you.
I've tried both XP and Vista. For your stated purposes I would stay
with XP Pro. New computers have Vista pre-installed because of
Microsoft hardball tactics, not because it is "good and stable and
compatible".
When MS releases Service Pack 1 for Vista, then you might look at it
again. Even then I would not "upgrade" XP to Vista, but rather install
Vista as a multiboot. Just allow about 50GB of space on the disk you
install XP on for future multiboot install of Vista. Then you can try
loading your required software under Vista and see how it works. They
probably will, but honestly Vista offers no real advantages over XP
and lots of disadvantages so why take the chance? You can get the
security and eye candy "improvements" of Vista easily through 3rd
party apps without the problems.
--
Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive
wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide the lubrication where
people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive,
the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty,"
"meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how
"pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does
not work too well at best.
Robert A. Heinlein
TI> business and engineering, and I install on it a lot of
TI> software from different makers. The hardware I will use will
TI> be new, Vista compatible. I like the features of Vista, but I
TI> am worried about compatibility issues with software. Should I
TI> install XP and upgrade to Vista later on? Should I install
TI> Vista right away? All new computers seem to have Vista
TI> pre-installed, so Vista must be good and stable and compatible
TI> with software. I do not know. Please tell me what you think.
TI> Thank you.
I've tried both XP and Vista. For your stated purposes I would stay
with XP Pro. New computers have Vista pre-installed because of
Microsoft hardball tactics, not because it is "good and stable and
compatible".
When MS releases Service Pack 1 for Vista, then you might look at it
again. Even then I would not "upgrade" XP to Vista, but rather install
Vista as a multiboot. Just allow about 50GB of space on the disk you
install XP on for future multiboot install of Vista. Then you can try
loading your required software under Vista and see how it works. They
probably will, but honestly Vista offers no real advantages over XP
and lots of disadvantages so why take the chance? You can get the
security and eye candy "improvements" of Vista easily through 3rd
party apps without the problems.
--
Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive
wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide the lubrication where
people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive,
the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as "empty,"
"meaningless," or "dishonest," and scorn to use them. No matter how
"pure" their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does
not work too well at best.
Robert A. Heinlein
B
Bob Fry
LG> Aaaah, the pleasures of Linux.
Which one? There are so many it's hard to keep track.
Which one? There are so many it's hard to keep track.
J
JAD
Talal Itani said:Hello,
I am putting together a PC. I will use the PC for business and engineering, and I
install on it a lot of software from different makers. The hardware I will use will be
new, Vista compatible. I like the features of Vista, but I am worried about
compatibility issues with software. Should I install XP and upgrade to Vista later on?
Should I install Vista right away? All new computers seem to have Vista pre-installed,
so Vista must be good and stable and compatible with software. I do not know. Please
tell me what you think. Thank you.
T.I.
Putting all the petty stuff aside, stick with XP, soley because 'Shitsta' is simply
'too new' and MS doesn't pay well for beta testing.
J
JAD
Yeah some people like a lot of pain with thier pleasure.Linux Geek said:Aaaah, the pleasures of Linux.
J
johns
Vista is pig slow. It is incompatible with most older
software in ways you cannot see at first. The pkg
may run, but it will cause problems with ownership,
fonts, printing, and even your own access to your
own files. Vista will give constant errors "access
denied" to your own files. You will have to store
your work on a separate D-drive in order to prevent
this annoying problem.
Drivers for most hardware .. even Vista compatible
hardware .. are very poor. You will have to constantly
upgrade those drivers to maintain operations of that
hardware ... esp printers, but also any multimedia
hardware. Most TV cards will not work.
You will have to disable Vista Security. It is simply
loaded with bugs, and will drive you crazy. You will
not be able to uninstall or reinstall anything until
you do.
Vista has no low-level support for DVD movies. That
will cost you $100 minimum to get going again after
XP. There is no DVD codec. So far, Nero 7 is about
your only choice.
Most older games will not run. There is no native
OpenGL support in Vista. You will have to buy that
from another vendor, or it will have to be bundled
with their application. I found it with AutoCAD 2008,
and then my older games like MOHAA ran fine.
Be very careful about which hardware you choose
to build a system. Recently, the vendors are
beginning to sell "Vista Only" hardware. There are
no XP chipset drivers for any of that stuff. And you
cannot mix it will older hardware. Clearly the vendors
.... like HP and Compaq ... are not going to support
XP any longer. It is just a matter of time ( about 1
year ) before Dell goes the same way. Fair Warning
on this. All of you builders are about to get screwed.
johns
software in ways you cannot see at first. The pkg
may run, but it will cause problems with ownership,
fonts, printing, and even your own access to your
own files. Vista will give constant errors "access
denied" to your own files. You will have to store
your work on a separate D-drive in order to prevent
this annoying problem.
Drivers for most hardware .. even Vista compatible
hardware .. are very poor. You will have to constantly
upgrade those drivers to maintain operations of that
hardware ... esp printers, but also any multimedia
hardware. Most TV cards will not work.
You will have to disable Vista Security. It is simply
loaded with bugs, and will drive you crazy. You will
not be able to uninstall or reinstall anything until
you do.
Vista has no low-level support for DVD movies. That
will cost you $100 minimum to get going again after
XP. There is no DVD codec. So far, Nero 7 is about
your only choice.
Most older games will not run. There is no native
OpenGL support in Vista. You will have to buy that
from another vendor, or it will have to be bundled
with their application. I found it with AutoCAD 2008,
and then my older games like MOHAA ran fine.
Be very careful about which hardware you choose
to build a system. Recently, the vendors are
beginning to sell "Vista Only" hardware. There are
no XP chipset drivers for any of that stuff. And you
cannot mix it will older hardware. Clearly the vendors
.... like HP and Compaq ... are not going to support
XP any longer. It is just a matter of time ( about 1
year ) before Dell goes the same way. Fair Warning
on this. All of you builders are about to get screwed.
johns
S
Steven Toney
XP will not play DVD without an add on CODEC for DVD's either
POWERDVD
NERO7
WINDDVD
others
are choices
I have 5 PCs at home -- many software packages
I recently bought a TABLET PC with VISTA to play with.. It needs a lot of
memory.. but with 2gigs and given the less than speedy version of core2duo
on the Tablet PCs -- it runs ok..
I have not found any major issues with the vast majority of software I have
installed on it over the last 2 weeks I have had the machine
I do look at the specs of the current version of the software to see if
there are no-no's for vista installs
so far - like I said it's ok..
I can say the MEDIA center stuff seems to work a bit better than the media
center 2005 version...
As mentioned -- I'm waiting for good 64bit support in the OS and many core
applications before a wholesale move away from XP...
POWERDVD
NERO7
WINDDVD
others
are choices
I have 5 PCs at home -- many software packages
I recently bought a TABLET PC with VISTA to play with.. It needs a lot of
memory.. but with 2gigs and given the less than speedy version of core2duo
on the Tablet PCs -- it runs ok..
I have not found any major issues with the vast majority of software I have
installed on it over the last 2 weeks I have had the machine
I do look at the specs of the current version of the software to see if
there are no-no's for vista installs
so far - like I said it's ok..
I can say the MEDIA center stuff seems to work a bit better than the media
center 2005 version...
As mentioned -- I'm waiting for good 64bit support in the OS and many core
applications before a wholesale move away from XP...
D
DaveW
Install XP for now until Microsoft works out all the bugs and driver
problems of Vista. Then next Spring when the first Service Pack comes out
for Vista you can safely switch over.
That's what I've done on my new systems.
problems of Vista. Then next Spring when the first Service Pack comes out
for Vista you can safely switch over.
That's what I've done on my new systems.
D
Don
Sure there is. Get your hands on an OEM version of XP (prettycpliu said:My new notebook has vista pre-installed and there is no way to go back
to XP. After trying it, I have to say I like XP better. I'm not into
these aethetic things and Vista appears slow (i've already set it to
optimize for performance) and uses tons of memory. What I care more is
the speed especially speed in the applications I use. I don't have
numbers to back it up. I just don't feel any speed improvement on
desktop (accessing files, copying, etc). Does anyone know if it
improves the speed in applications? Also all these security features
are rather annoying to me. I can't access a lot of folders even with
an admin account. Maybe it just takes time to figure out all the
workarounds to get the efficiency as in XP.
I will stick with XP (on my desktop PC) for a while until Vista proves
to increase my productivity.
reasonably priced these days). Download the XP drivers for your
notebook. Blow the DOG away and install XP. If Bill makes me give up
XP, I'll switch to Linux full time.
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Ed Cregger
Don said:Sure there is. Get your hands on an OEM version of XP (pretty reasonably
priced these days). Download the XP drivers for your notebook. Blow the
DOG away and install XP. If Bill makes me give up XP, I'll switch to
Linux full time.
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Have you tried to remove a Vista install yet? I have and was totally
unsuccessful. I'm not a computer guru, but I've a little experience with
these things. If anyone knows the magic necessary for clearing her drive of
this garbage, please share it with me.
What the hell was Microsoft thinking when they released this POS operating
system? Who is going to put up with the interminably slow processing of
Vista after using XP?
I'm thinking of buying a new hard drive for the wife's new laptop and
loading that with XP. That is the only way that I can think of to remove
Vista from her machine.
Ed Cregger
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Larry Roberts
Have you tried to remove a Vista install yet? I have and was totally
unsuccessful. I'm not a computer guru, but I've a little experience with
these things. If anyone knows the magic necessary for clearing her drive of
this garbage, please share it with me.
What the hell was Microsoft thinking when they released this POS operating
system? Who is going to put up with the interminably slow processing of
Vista after using XP?
I'm thinking of buying a new hard drive for the wife's new laptop and
loading that with XP. That is the only way that I can think of to remove
Vista from her machine.
Ed Cregger
I did. Just delete all partions, and setup the HDD the way you
want (I just use 1 large NTFS for WinXP). Then install a fresh WinXP
OS, and install chipset drivers, OS service pack, & updates, & device
drivers. The deed is done.
A
Andrew Smallshaw
What the hell was Microsoft thinking when they released this POS operating
system? Who is going to put up with the interminably slow processing of
Vista after using XP?
To be fair that's always the case with new releases of Windows.
I had exactly the same concerns when Windows 2000 was released and
I compared it to NT. The same with XP and 2000. It takes a while
for computer performance to improve to the point where the most
recent version of Windows will run comfortably on even new hardware.
XP was a bitch when it first came out, IMHO, to the point of being
unusable. It is only more recently that hardware has advanced to
the point where it is reasonably responsive. Even that isn't still
quite there in my books though - I still use 2000 primarily whenever
I need Windows.
Of course, you have to ask where all your machine's capability is
actually going. Transparent windows may be very impressive from
a technical point of view, but what practical purpose are they?
The very fact that it is even an option tells you Microsoft are
more concerned about how spiffy their UI looks than they are about
any usability concerns.
G
Guest
As an IT Professional and a Vista beta tester I highly recommend Windows XP.
As it was with XP you'll want to wait about 2 more years before Vista will be
a viable OS.
As it was with XP you'll want to wait about 2 more years before Vista will be
a viable OS.
N
NotMe
Ditto, I meet the same criteria and recommend waiting until Vista is 'fixed'
or replaced.
If MS makes the same silly mistakes with the next version of Windows, they
might as well throw in the towel.
or replaced.
If MS makes the same silly mistakes with the next version of Windows, they
might as well throw in the towel.
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