XP cant see Win98 machines

[LDMartin1959]

I have 2 win98 computers and a new XP machine in my home
(which replaced an old Win95 machine). Previously the 2
win98 machines were on a network using NetBEUI. The two
Win98 machines see each other, but not the XP machine, the
XP machine does not see either Win98 machine (in fact, it
doesn't even 'see' itself, only the shared documents
folder shows up in 'my network places').

I have tried installing NetBEUI on the XP machine, and
TCP/IP on the Win98 machines, all to no avail. The only
thing different about the XP machine (verus the Win95
machine that it replaced) is XP rather than Win95, and the
installation of two network cards (one for DSL, the other
for the in-house network).

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to get the XP
machine into the loop?

Thanks.

LDMartin1959

 

[Chuck]

I have 2 win98 computers and a new XP machine in my home
(which replaced an old Win95 machine). Previously the 2
win98 machines were on a network using NetBEUI. The two
Win98 machines see each other, but not the XP machine, the
XP machine does not see either Win98 machine (in fact, it
doesn't even 'see' itself, only the shared documents
folder shows up in 'my network places').

I have tried installing NetBEUI on the XP machine, and
TCP/IP on the Win98 machines, all to no avail. The only
thing different about the XP machine (verus the Win95
machine that it replaced) is XP rather than Win95, and the
installation of two network cards (one for DSL, the other
for the in-house network).

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to get the XP
machine into the loop?

Thanks.

LDMartin1959

Here are a couple websites with useful tutorials:
http://www.cablesense.com/
http://www.homenethelp.com/

My personal recommendation would be to get a NAT router, and get rid of the
second network card in the XP computer. For so many reasons.

If you can't do that, then install TCP/IP, and enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP, on
both computers. Then activate ICS on the XP computer, to provide TCP/IP
settings for the Win98 computer. Forget NetBEUI.

Once that is done, from each computer, verify connectivity:
1) Ping the other by name.
2) Ping the other by ip address.
3) Ping itself by name.
4) Ping itself by ip address.
5) Ping 127.0.0.1.
Report success / failure of each of 10 pings.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

I have 2 win98 computers and a new XP machine in my home
(which replaced an old Win95 machine). Previously the 2
win98 machines were on a network using NetBEUI. The two
Win98 machines see each other, but not the XP machine, the
XP machine does not see either Win98 machine (in fact, it
doesn't even 'see' itself, only the shared documents
folder shows up in 'my network places').

I have tried installing NetBEUI on the XP machine, and
TCP/IP on the Win98 machines, all to no avail. The only
thing different about the XP machine (verus the Win95
machine that it replaced) is XP rather than Win95, and the
installation of two network cards (one for DSL, the other
for the in-house network).

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to get the XP
machine into the loop?

LDMartin1959,

you already got good advice. In case of further problems, please
have a look at http://www.michna.com/kb/WxNetwork.htm.

Hans-Georg

 

[LDMartin1959]

Chuck,

At the moment a router is not an option. On the other
hand, if I am having trouble with something as simple as
this, I may not be able to handle dealing with a
router .

Checked the settings you indicated on the various
machines. All is in order. Still no success. The XP
machine will ping to itself (all three ping targets), but
can not ping the other computers (reports "time out"
and "all packets lost"). The reverse holds from the other
computers to the XP machine.

Any more thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks.

LDMartin1959
("Just because you're paranoid doen't mean they're not out
to get you")

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,

At the moment a router is not an option. On the other
hand, if I am having trouble with something as simple as
this, I may not be able to handle dealing with a
router .

Checked the settings you indicated on the various
machines. All is in order. Still no success. The XP
machine will ping to itself (all three ping targets), but
can not ping the other computers (reports "time out"
and "all packets lost"). The reverse holds from the other
computers to the XP machine.

Sorry a router is not possible right now - setting one up is easier than you
think. And more affordable.

So let's do some detailed analysis of your network.

Please provide ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.
Label each ipconfig with name of operating system.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[LDMartin1959]

Chuck,

Sorry for the delay. Been a lousey last few days.... Ok,
here is the info for the XP machine and one of the 98
machines:


Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Picard

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Internet:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA Rhine II
Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
00-0C-76-98-A5-27

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 198.36.160.1

205.171.3.65

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May
04, 2004 4:01:08 PM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May
04, 2004 4:19:08 PM



Ethernet adapter Starfleet:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139
Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
00-40-05-36-2A-04

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.238.161

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :




Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Troi
Dns Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . . . . :

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS . . . : No

0 Ethernet adapter:



Description . . . . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
44-45-53-54-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter:



Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NOvell 2000
Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . :
00-00-40-40-05-05

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 169.254.149.192

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 05 03 04 4:15:
35 PM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . :

Thanks.

LDMartin1959

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,

Sorry for the delay. Been a lousey last few days.... Ok,
here is the info for the XP machine and one of the 98
machines:

<SNIP Diagnostic Data>

I presume Picard is connecting to Troi thru the Starfleet LAN. Pity you
couldn't name the LAN connection on Troi too. How does the other computer
connect? Is there a hub / switch somewhere? Make and model number might be
useful.

Hey throw in ipconfig for the other too please. Might give us a clue.

Anyway, apparently the Starfleet LAN adapters on Picard (Realtek) and Troi
(Novell) are both set for autoconfiguration, but, since there's no DHCP server,
they're picking up APIPA addresses. Both addresses, 169.254.238.161 and
169.254.149.192, are in the same subnet (169.254/16), so, if there truly is
connectivity, they should communicate.

But you haven't described HOW they connect. And where does internet service
come in? And did you install / enable NBT on all 3 computers?

From each computer, Picard and Troi, check IP connectivity with the other:
1) Ping the other by name.
2) Ping the other by ip address.
3) Ping itself by name.
4) Ping itself by ip address.
5) Ping 127.0.0.1.
Report success / failure of each of 10 pings.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.