XP & 98 not talking (also)

[Guest]

I can't get a simple Win98SE to talk to an XP machine. The connection is a
simple ethernet connection running through a single ethernet switch. I've
tried the XP wizard repetedly which had me make a floppy and loading the
NETSETUP.EXE file with no luck. On both machines I choose the name of the
workgroup to be MSHOME. I cannot ping the XP > 98 or vice-versa.

I'm guessing I have enough permissions on the XP machine and a valid guest
account because I can do the old Direct_Connect cable and have it work half
way (the XP can see and access the 98 computer but the 98 cannot see or
access the XP computer). But, I can't even get that far using a network
connection.

I have a coouple of questions I'm stuck on before I get to the real data.
A. Should the XP machine have it's TCP/IP be setup as automatic?
B. Once I have this 'fixed', will I find the WIN98 computer in the XP "View
Workgroup Computers" section by selecting the workgroup MSHOME and vice-versa
for the other computer?

Also, I read the post just a few below this one by GaryDave and the response
by Chuck. Here is my results of what Chuck suggested to get started:

1. On the Win98 machine. I stopped the browser service as described here:
http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
I did notice that I could no longer see the Win98 computer in the network
neighborhood after I did that.
2. I could not "Stop, and Disable the browser service on the WinXP
computer. Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Services." because I could
not find the browser service as a service.
3. I ran the IP config utility on the XP machine and here is it's results:
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : LAPTOP
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 570x Gigabit Integrated
Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-DC-50-B0
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.136.177
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Any help would be appreciated. I'm tried on/off for days to fix this but
seem to be stuck.

 

[Robert L [MS-MVP]]

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I can't get a simple Win98SE to talk to an XP machine. The connection is a
simple ethernet connection running through a single ethernet switch. I've
tried the XP wizard repetedly which had me make a floppy and loading the
NETSETUP.EXE file with no luck. On both machines I choose the name of the
workgroup to be MSHOME. I cannot ping the XP > 98 or vice-versa.

I'm guessing I have enough permissions on the XP machine and a valid guest
account because I can do the old Direct_Connect cable and have it work half
way (the XP can see and access the 98 computer but the 98 cannot see or
access the XP computer). But, I can't even get that far using a network
connection.

I have a coouple of questions I'm stuck on before I get to the real data.
A. Should the XP machine have it's TCP/IP be setup as automatic?
B. Once I have this 'fixed', will I find the WIN98 computer in the XP "View
Workgroup Computers" section by selecting the workgroup MSHOME and vice-versa
for the other computer?

Also, I read the post just a few below this one by GaryDave and the response
by Chuck. Here is my results of what Chuck suggested to get started:

1. On the Win98 machine. I stopped the browser service as described here:
http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
I did notice that I could no longer see the Win98 computer in the network
neighborhood after I did that.
2. I could not "Stop, and Disable the browser service on the WinXP
computer. Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Services." because I could
not find the browser service as a service.
3. I ran the IP config utility on the XP machine and here is it's results:
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : LAPTOP
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 570x Gigabit Integrated
Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-DC-50-B0
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.136.177
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Any help would be appreciated. I'm tried on/off for days to fix this but
seem to be stuck.

 

[Doug Sherman [MVP]]

On LAPTOP, right click the Local Area Connection for the Broadcom 570x
Gigabit Integrated and select Properties. Highlight TCP/IP and click the
Properties button. Click the WINS tab and enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

Doug Sherman
MCSE Win2k/NT4.0, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

 

[Chuck]

I can't get a simple Win98SE to talk to an XP machine. The connection is a
simple ethernet connection running through a single ethernet switch. I've
tried the XP wizard repetedly which had me make a floppy and loading the
NETSETUP.EXE file with no luck. On both machines I choose the name of the
workgroup to be MSHOME. I cannot ping the XP > 98 or vice-versa.

I'm guessing I have enough permissions on the XP machine and a valid guest
account because I can do the old Direct_Connect cable and have it work half
way (the XP can see and access the 98 computer but the 98 cannot see or
access the XP computer). But, I can't even get that far using a network
connection.

I have a coouple of questions I'm stuck on before I get to the real data.
A. Should the XP machine have it's TCP/IP be setup as automatic?
B. Once I have this 'fixed', will I find the WIN98 computer in the XP "View
Workgroup Computers" section by selecting the workgroup MSHOME and vice-versa
for the other computer?

Also, I read the post just a few below this one by GaryDave and the response
by Chuck. Here is my results of what Chuck suggested to get started:

1. On the Win98 machine. I stopped the browser service as described here:
http://cms.simons-rock.edu/faq_by_subtopic/node138.html
I did notice that I could no longer see the Win98 computer in the network
neighborhood after I did that.
2. I could not "Stop, and Disable the browser service on the WinXP
computer. Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Services." because I could
not find the browser service as a service.
3. I ran the IP config utility on the XP machine and here is it's results:
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : LAPTOP
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 570x Gigabit Integrated
Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-DC-50-B0
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.136.177
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Any help would be appreciated. I'm tried on/off for days to fix this but
seem to be stuck.

If you have two computers, and neither can ping each other (by name or did you
try ip address too?), then that's where you need to start. Basic connectivity
should be your first concern.

What's the make and model of the ethernet switch?

Posting "ipconfig /all" from the WinXP computer is a good start. To really be
useful, though, we need the same from the Win98 computer. With Win98, you may
use winipcfg if you wish. After you post ipconfig for BOTH computers, please
refrain from restarting either, so the settings remain constant.

Depending upon what authority is resolving the TCP/IP setting (NBT setting?), it
is probably a good idea, in your case, to force NBT to on, rather than
automatic. The ipconfig above shows NBT disabled.

Once you resolve the connectivity (ability to ping) issue, then we can work on
the ability to browse ("View Workgroup Computers"). When we're done, this will
work on either computer, for finding the other.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your patience guys. Family members sickness took precedence over
replying.

Back to the issue. First, I took Doug's idea to "Click the WINS tab and
enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP" and combined it with Chuck's comment to use
"winipcfg" and found my real ip, subnet, gateway and DNS server address. I
changed the laptop (XP) TCP/IP settings to be fixed and used the Win98's (the
permanently connected machine's) settings on the xp machine for the subnet,
gateway and DNS server address and added a single digit to the ip address
used on the Win98 and wala', both computers showed up in the workgroup on
both computers.

Of course, I also had made both firewalls wide open and fully shared both c
drives, but at least I had connection and could ping both the ip and the
computer names from both machines. I was able to complete my task of
transferring files, however it doesn't solve my long term problem. So, when
I have time to post both computers full ipconfig info and wait for a response
(without rebooting), I'll repost then. But first, I have a few questions to
get me on the right track.

1. On xp, I can run the ipconfig /all command and copy/paste the results
here. However, if I run that command on the Win98 machine, the dos box
appears/disapears before I can capture the data to post it. Plus, if I use
the winipcfg command on Win98, I can't seem to manually copy the data. Is
there a way to easily copy/paste the ipconfig data from the Win98 machine?

2. I manually forced the XP machine to the manual ip settings described
above to make a quick connection, however I'm sure my IP wouldn't like me
picking an address one digit above the Win98 machine (the one permanently
connected to the net). Should I be able to have connected just by leaving
the XP machine to automatically detect the settings (remember, my Win98
machine is the permanent machine).

Thanks.

Steve

 

[Doug Sherman [MVP]]

1. Ipconfig is not included with Win98, but I'm 'pretty' sure it will work.
On the laptop copy C:\WINDOWS\System32\ipconfig.exe and paste it into
C:\WINDOWS on the Win98 machine.

2. Not sure about this one. Need more info on your network setup and how
you connect to the Internet. If you have 2 adpaters in the Win98 machine
and want to use Internet Connection Sharing, then the LAN NIC and the Laptop
NIC should be set to obtain an address automatically.

Doug Sherman
MCSE Win2k/NT4.0, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP