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[Yousuf Khan]

There's some good potshots at Intel for not being able to hit 4Ghz with
Pentium 4, but the really funny shot goes against Apple/IBM for not
getting G5 out at 3Ghz.

Intel's in good company. Nobody hit the chip speeds they promised. In June 2003, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said IBM's G5 chips would be at 3 GHz within 12 months. It's been 18.

In response, Justin Evers submitted a "Reading from the Book of Apple, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20":

"Then did St. Steve raise on high the Holy G5 of Cupertino, saying, 'Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine Dell enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the renderings of lambs and toads and tree sloths and fruit bats and orangutans and lickable icons.... Now did the Lord say, 'Thou in 12 months, thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the GHz and the number of the GHz shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two-point-five, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the GHz, be reached, then thine will be great and powerful in my sight, however if thou shall have more than one button on thou mouse, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff thine's life.'"

Wired Vaporware Phantom Haunts Us All
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,66195-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1

 

[Gnu_Raiz]

There's some good potshots at Intel for not being able to hit 4Ghz with
Pentium 4, but the really funny shot goes against Apple/IBM for not
getting G5 out at 3Ghz.


Wired Vaporware Phantom Haunts Us All
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,66195-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1

For a minute their I thought I was reading one of the game groups, only
for a minute. I guess the hype machine is starting to come back and bite
the companies in the backside. I think its about time too, no one likes a
paper launch, if a company hypes something up then their comes a time to
put up or shut up.

Gnu_Raiz

 

[Nicholas Buenk]

There's some good potshots at Intel for not being able to hit 4Ghz with
Pentium 4, but the really funny shot goes against Apple/IBM for not
getting G5 out at 3Ghz.

AMD is up to 2.6ghz on their 13nm process, you wait until they make their
high performance 90nm chip with SSE3, they should be there before the G5,
that is unless they want to wait for intel to catch up.

 

[keith]

For a minute their I thought I was reading one of the game groups, only
for a minute. I guess the hype machine is starting to come back and bite
the companies in the backside. I think its about time too, no one likes a
paper launch, if a company hypes something up then their comes a time to
put up or shut up.

One can predict the future, but that doesn't mean it will come true. The
weather forecasters said we'd get nothing to a dusting of snow today.
Based on their years of knowledge and computer models, they should have
been right. Let's just say they missed by more...

May I simply suggest that you not buy based on what's promised. You won't
be dissapointed.

 

[RusH]

AMD is up to 2.6ghz on their 13nm process, you wait until they
make their high performance 90nm chip with SSE3, they should be
there before the G5, that is unless they want to wait for intel to
catch up.

I dont know. You can O/C P4 to 4GHz with serious air cooling, AMD64
goed to 2.9GHz (I havent seen 3GHz aircooled AMD64 yet).

Pozdrawiam.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

AMD is up to 2.6ghz on their 13nm process, you wait until they make their
high performance 90nm chip with SSE3, they should be there before the G5,
that is unless they want to wait for intel to catch up.

That's actually kind of my assumption as well. I think AMD could be at
3.0Ghz now, but there's no point since they are so far ahead of Intel
performance-wise. About the only thing that might cause them to hurry
3.0Ghz along is simply to beat PowerPC to it just for bragging rights
between the two technology partners.

Yousuf Khan

 

[George Macdonald]

That's actually kind of my assumption as well. I think AMD could be at
3.0Ghz now, but there's no point since they are so far ahead of Intel
performance-wise. About the only thing that might cause them to hurry
3.0Ghz along is simply to beat PowerPC to it just for bragging rights
between the two technology partners.

I'm not so sure about "now". What's available now and over the past
4-5months in the channel would seem to indicate they are gettting poor to
no yield at the top end from 90nm. The fastest 90nm I've seen is the
Skt939 3500+ and even that is in very short supply; I think it's fair to
say they need 90nm to get to 3GHz and they just don't seem to be getting
it... judging by retail channels - no idea what the OEMs are getting.

 

[Carlo Razzeto]

That's actually kind of my assumption as well. I think AMD could be at
3.0Ghz now, but there's no point since they are so far ahead of Intel
performance-wise. About the only thing that might cause them to hurry
3.0Ghz along is simply to beat PowerPC to it just for bragging rights
between the two technology partners.

Yousuf Khan

I'm not so sure about that, if Intel got smart and released that Pentium-M
that might force AMD to hurry up... I really can't imagin why the hell Intel
keeps trying to peddle P-4's on the Market.

Carlo

 

[keith]

I'm not so sure about that, if Intel got smart and released that Pentium-M
that might force AMD to hurry up... I really can't imagin why the hell Intel
keeps trying to peddle P-4's on the Market.

Perhaps because they've already paid the advertising bill? Dunno, I asked
that same question a couple of years ago. ;-)

 

[RusH]

I really can't
imagin why the hell Intel keeps trying to peddle P-4's on the
Market.

Because Intel is not a reasonable person, its a corporation.
Corporations are bad, M'kay?

Pozdrawiam.

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

Because they have nothing else to sell that is competitive on
the desktop with IA64 (Itanium) a flop. For laptops, their 10
year old P6 core tweaked as Pentium-M is still competitive,
mostly because Intel has excellent process and a can work
this core for low power consumption.

Because Intel is not a reasonable person, its a corporation.
Corporations are bad, M'kay?

This is an oversimplification. Do you think one individual
could produce a modern CPU? What form of co-operative
organization would you think better? Government enterprises?
Joint-stock companies most certainly have their flaws, but
they do permit pooling resources to undertake large projects.

-- Robert

 

[keith]

Because Intel is not a reasonable person, its a corporation.

Intel, like even the "reasonable person" has interests that may be
contrary to yours, and mine.

Corporations are bad, M'kay?

Nonsense. Corporations are people. By the force of law, they act in the
intrests of those people. Perhaps not well, but the officers first
responsibility is to the owners.

 

[RusH]

Nonsense. Corporations are people. By the force of law, they act
in the intrests of those people. Perhaps not well, but the
officers first responsibility is to the owners.

So what exactly has one to do to put those "people" in prison then ?
Show me ONE such example and I'l rest my case.
Corporation is a "person" with all the benefits, but without the
obligations.

Pozdrawiam.

 

[leslie]

keith ([email protected]) wrote:
:
: Corporations are people. By the force of law, they act in the
: intrests of those people. Perhaps not well, but the officers first
: responsibility is to the owners.
:


AFAIK, only the U.S. has granted personhood status to corporations,
in an 1886 Supreme Court Decision's head note, written by the court
reporter.

For more on this travesty, see:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0101-07.htm
Now Corporations Claim The "Right To Lie"


--Jerry Leslie
Note: (e-mail address removed) is invalid for email

 

[RusH]

written by the court
reporter.

who happened to be a former corporation CEO, brilliant )
For more revelation (torrent):
http://rasz.neostrada.pl/
third picture (dont mind the ugly face)

Pozdrawiam.

 

[leslie]

RusH ([email protected]) wrote:
: (e-mail address removed) (leslie) wrote :
:
: > written by the court
: > reporter.
: >
:
: who happened to be a former corporation CEO, brilliant )
: For more revelation (torrent):
: http://rasz.neostrada.pl/
: third picture (dont mind the ugly face)
:
: Pozdrawiam.
:

http://www.thecorporation.tv/about/
The Corporation - A film by Mark Achbar, Jennifer Abbott, and Joel Bakan

"...DEMOCRACY LTD.

Democracy is a value that the corporation just doesn't understand. In
fact, corporations have often tried to undo democracy if it is an
obstacle to their single-minded drive for profit. From a 1934
business-backed plot to install a military dictator in the White House
(undone by the integrity of one U.S. Marine Corps General, Smedley
Darlington Butler) to present-day law-drafting, corporations have
bought military might, political muscle and public opinion.

And corporations do not hesitate to take advantage of democracy's
absence either. One of the most shocking stories of the twentieth
century is Edwin Black's recounting IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi
Germany--one that began in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to
power and continued well into World War II.

FISSURES

The corporation may be trying to render governments impotent, but
since the landmark WTO protest in Seattle, a rising wave of networked
individuals and groups have decided to make their voices heard.
Movements to challenge the very foundations of the corporation are
afoot: The charter revocation movement tried to bring down oil giant
Unocal; a groundbreaking ballot initiative in Arcata, California, put
a corporate agenda in the public spotlight in a series of town hall
meetings; in Bolivia, the population fought and won a battle against a
huge transnational corporation brought in by their government to
privatize the water system; in India nearly 99% of the basmati patent
of RiceTek was overturned; and W. R. Grace and the U.S. government's
patent on Neem was revoked.

As global individuals take back local power, a growing re-invigoration
of the concept of citizenship is taking root. It has the power to not
only strip the corporation of its seeming omnipotence, but to create a
feeling and an ideology of democracy that is much more than its mere
institutional version..."



--Jerry Leslie
Note: (e-mail address removed) is invalid for email

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

So what exactly has one to do to put those "people" in
prison then ? Show me ONE such example and I'll rest my case.

AT&T breakup.

Not too many corporations are "in prison" [under direct court orders],
but many are "out on parole" and have to report to regulators.

-- Robert

 

[David Schwartz]

Corporation is a "person" with all the benefits, but without the
obligations.

In the same sense that a corporation can't be put in prison, it can't
break the law. So it cuts both ways.

DS

 

[Mike Smith]

In the same sense that a corporation can't be put in prison, it can't
break the law. So it cuts both ways.

That would be fine, if our government actually punished the *people* who
break the law while acting on behalf of corporations. And I'm not
talking about Martha Stewart, I'm talking about the ones who rob people
of their life savings and pour pollutants into the rivers, etc.

 

[keith]

So what exactly has one to do to put those "people" in prison then ?

You're being silly. Corporations don't have a body and as such it makes
no sense to "send 'em to jail". A coroporation has no ethics, and no
morals. People do. However the *officers* (people) of said corporations
are indeed sent to jail for breaking laws.

Show me ONE such example and I'l rest my case. Corporation is a
"person" with all the benefits, but without the obligations.

You're simply being stupid. Corporations are a civil entity. I
suppose you've never heard of a corporation being sued? See: tobacco.