Windows Mail Backup Empty

[Guest]

I want to try the "copy Windows Mail folder...delete Messagestore" fix to get
rid of a stuck message in my outbox, and to be able to send email. But, I
have nothing the Backup folder in my Windows Mail folder is empty. I do not
want to do the fix with an empty Backup folder.

How do I get Windows Mail to put something into my Backup folder?

 

[Guest]

You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where). So
don't worry about it.

 

[Guest]

after i do the fix, I mean.

You have to delete what's in backup for your fix to work (else it will
replace the file you delete from backup - leaving you where you where). So
don't worry about it.

 

[Guest]

But, if the Backup is gone, won't all of my folders/messages be gone too?

 

[Guest]

There should be a backup. I don;t know why you don't have one. The messages
are there in individual files. You have to delete the index and the backup
of the Index (else it will fix your deletion by using the backup of the
index).

When you restart Winmail it will spend up to several hours looking at each
message and rebuilding the index from scratch. The files will be in a new
folder (called Recovered Messages) in OE, not their old folders. You can
interupt the rebuilding (by closing Winmail) without any problems, it just
restarts next time you start Winmail.

This is not something to do lightly. It's a major hassle and hours of work
(but I'm not patient), though Winmail does all the work. As long as you only
delete the messagestore files (you have 1, most have 2). And I suggestif you
have lots of messages you watch TV and let winmail do it;s thing.

 

[Guest]

What if I copy/paste the messagestore file into my backup file?

I think if you leave the messagestore in your backup file, delete the main
message store, and then reboot, all is fixed, and you can then send email
again. It's supposed to be a quick fix.

 

[Guest]

There is no point. Your backup is missing, but if it wasn't it would be
wrong. Because it will be same or similar (have the same thing you are
trying to get rid of anyway) it will have the same message in it.

The time for me was for many tens of thousands of messages plus it wanted to
do all the newsgroup posts (20 - 30.000) as well. Perhaps remove the
newsgroups (they aren't really usable - they become like posts you have
archieved) from Winmail so they don't need to be recovered.

You also lose certainly the newsgroups accounts, and I think the mail as
well. So look up your settings.

I spent some effort trying to find an easier way. I didn't have a problem.
But I regretted doing it. I have not fully got back yet (I have another 10
mins of work to do) as after 1 hour I was bored. That was a month ago but I
can't bring myself to continue. So I have to search google instead of
Winmail. One day I'll get around to it.

Computers are just too hard to use. It should know and fix itself. I hate
drilling down through things millions of times a day.

 

[Guest]

Computer are not too hard to use. I don't think your answers are correct. I
wish some other folks would reply to this thread.

 

[Guest]

Fine, but I've been using this program since it came out in version 1 in
1995 or 1996.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

In order for the regeneration process to work, both copies
of the MessageStore file need to be deleted. It isn't
necessary, but for your peace of mind you could save a
copy of that file to another directory, or just drag it to the
desktop.

Gary VanderMolen

 

[...winston]

1995 Windows Exchange 4.0
1996 Windows Internet Mail Service Update adding pop3 flexibility to
Exchange
1996 Windows Messaging(upgrade patch and Exchange name change to avoid
confusion with Exchange server nomenclature)
1996 Internet Mail and News(shortly after IE 3.0) - version 1.0
1997 Outlook Express 4.0 (included in IE4)
2007 Windows Mail

 

[Guest]

You missed OE/Winmail early life as part of IE1, 2, and 3 and called
Microsoft Internet Mail and News - hence it's filename up to Vista of
msimn.exe.

Here is a KB on it
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q154/4/25.asp

Here is a short history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Mail_and_News

Up until now all I had used where mainframe mail (but as I could only send
mail to people I could raise my head and talk too - we didn't use it much),
and Netscape 2 and Pegesus for mail and Netscape 2 and Rapid Filer for
newsgroups.

Winmail/OE/MSIMN was a breath of fresh air. Such a clear design. Plus I hate
Netscape - it crashes too often - haven't used it since version 2. Microsoft
won me by not being Netscape.

However I hate Outlook. It used to take 20 nminutes to logon or off the
server. So at home time, one logged off, then waited 20 minutes, then press
power button off, then go home. OL97 or the free OL98 (it was only free if
you got in 1998 because OL97 was real crap it was more a bug fix for OL97
owners. After 1998, OL98 was sold at full price again) worked the same.

I do not forgive or forget computers. Netscape and Outlook are my enemies.
They challenged me, by making me waste my time.

 

[Steve Cochran]

The backup folder is only to hold the backup of the database. The database
does not contain messages. The messages are eml and nws files that are
individually stored.

For details on backing up you messages see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm

steve

 

[...winston]

It's there and shown as the third 1996 chronological item.

Outlook 98 for a short time was available as an online cd order and also
included in a few pc magazine utility disks. Someone sold the original box
and cd for over $100 on Ebay as a collectible.

I did not have a liking for OL until OL2K, though OL02(XP) was a
disappointment. OL03 and OL07 are pretty stable...though as with all OL's
storing everything in a single pst file can be disaster for those that don't
back up or image. Still prefer OL03 and OL07 over Windows Mail.

My biggest email distaste was for Lotus Notes. A complete waste of time and
money. It was deployed in a corporate environment for supposed security
reasons but mostly office politics/power etc, eventually we returned
everyone to OL and productivity with something familiar returned.

 

[Steve Cochran]

My biggest email distaste was for Lotus Notes. >

"The HORROR! The HORROR!"

 

[...winston]

In a work environment the switch was a nightmare..took months before
employees got used to it. And to make matters worse, it didn't have drag and
drop capabilities...thus all files had to be attached and detached. A study
on a random sampling of 100 users showed the average time spent just on file
handling was 11-12 minutes more per day. The even greater horror was that
the IS dept that forced this change continued to use OL. The IS manager
responsible for this pilot was eventually transferred, shortly thereafter we
returned to OL.

 

[Steve Cochran]

Yeah, I had to use it at a job I had once. It was the worst messaging
software I ever used.

steve