Windows Home Repair

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Denise

Hi,

In the drop-down window for discussion groups, Windows Home wasn't listed so
I posted to this forum. If this isn't the correct forum, please give me the
link to the correct forum.

I've done Windows XP Pro x64 repairs. When I insert the disk and boot up,
I'm asked if I want to do a Repair or New Installation. The first time I
have to choose New Installation and the second time the question comes up, I
have to choose Repair. If I choose Repair the first time, it won't continue
to Repair.

My daughter's computer has Windows Home and she needs to do a Repair. Will
it work the same way, where I have to first choose New Installation and then
Repair or will I have to choose Repair the first time?
 
N

Nepatsfan

Denise said:
Hi,

In the drop-down window for discussion groups, Windows Home wasn't listed
so
I posted to this forum. If this isn't the correct forum, please give me
the
link to the correct forum.

I've done Windows XP Pro x64 repairs. When I insert the disk and boot up,
I'm asked if I want to do a Repair or New Installation. The first time I
have to choose New Installation and the second time the question comes up,
I
have to choose Repair. If I choose Repair the first time, it won't
continue
to Repair.

My daughter's computer has Windows Home and she needs to do a Repair.
Will
it work the same way, where I have to first choose New Installation and
then
Repair or will I have to choose Repair the first time?


First off, I'm taking for granted that you're using the correct
installation CD for the version of Windows XP Home Edition that's installed
on your daughter's computer. That said, it should be the same procedure.

Early in the process you'll see a screen where you have the option of
installing Windows XP or repairing an installation by using the Recovery
Console. You want to hit the Enter key to install XP. After hitting the F8
key to accept the license agreement you should see a screen where you have
the option of repairing the current installation. Here's where you hit the R
key.

Take a look at this article for more info.

Microsoft's Windows XP Home Repair Install step by step
http://www.windowsxphome.windowsreinstall.com/installxpcdrepair/indexfullpage.htm

Good luck

Nepatsfan
 
D

Denise

Yes, she has a valid Windows Home disk, just not the knowledge to repair
Windows and her computer crashes often. I'm hoping the repair will do the
trick or a complete format will have to be done. Thanks for the information.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Denise said:
In the drop-down window for discussion groups, Windows Home wasn't
listed so I posted to this forum. If this isn't the correct forum,
please give me the link to the correct forum.

I've done Windows XP Pro x64 repairs. When I insert the disk and
boot up, I'm asked if I want to do a Repair or New Installation.
The first time I have to choose New Installation and the second
time the question comes up, I have to choose Repair. If I choose
Repair the first time, it won't continue to Repair.

My daughter's computer has Windows Home and she needs to do a
Repair. Will it work the same way, where I have to first choose
New Installation and then Repair or will I have to choose Repair
the first time?

You are describing things a little bit 'off' - but...

How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315341
 
D

Don Phillipson

Yes, she has a valid Windows Home disk, just not the knowledge to repair
Windows and her computer crashes often. I'm hoping the repair will do the
trick or a complete format will have to be done. Thanks for the
information.

If option Repair does not work fast and correctly,
this (in combination with "computer crashes often")
hints at more advanced damage, whether by virus
or malware or operator error -- so that reformatting
and reinstalling from scratch may have better results.

If the CD writer works, you can use the Files and
Settings Wizard beforehand to export your daughter's
personal files beforehand. (Tip: in case these make
the PC crash again, set up a new user as Name1 and
for the time being import old Files and Documennts
only to another new user as Name2, while keeping
the CD with the source file.)
 
D

Denise

I agree that caution is necessary, along with backing up files. I have
repaired Windows on my computer several times with no problems and without a
hitch. I wanted to make sure that XP Home also needs the Repair option to be
chosen the second time, not the first.

The first link that you provided, 'How to Perform a Windows XP Repair
Install,' would scare the bejesus out of anyone thinking about performing a
Repair of Windows if they've never done one before. The worst that could
happen, and this is a longshot, is that a format would have to be done, with
the time consuming installation of all the programs that were previously
installed/wanted. It won't kill a computer. In the case of a complete
format, the first thing that should be done would be to install an anti-virus
program, files from the motherboard disk, then Microsoft updates. If
additional drivers were installed prior to the format, they also need to be
re-installed.

When the Windows disk is placed in the DVD drive, the computer will
automatically ask if the computer should boot from the disk so that, either
way, a Repair or a format is that easy. If a Repair is all that is
needed/wanted, chosing Repair the second time will not change/remove existing
programs. If Repair is not an option, anyone with a brain would stop right
there unless the feel they that they want to do a format.

I don't like it when people scare novices. It makes them take their
computers to PC repair shops that charge a minimum of $100.00/hr for
something they can easily do themselves. A Repair is no harder than
downloading and installing a new program. The key is to chose Repair the
second time, not the first, and all will be well. Microsoft even sends
notifications that updates are available, so that all updates will be
downloaded and installed with the click of the mouse. Nothing could be
easier.
 
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Shenan Stanley

<snip>
I agree that caution is necessary, along with backing up files. I
have repaired Windows on my computer several times with no problems
and without a hitch. I wanted to make sure that XP Home also needs
the Repair option to be chosen the second time, not the first.

The first link that you provided, 'How to Perform a Windows XP
Repair Install,' would scare the bejesus out of anyone thinking
about performing a Repair of Windows if they've never done one
before. The worst that could happen, and this is a longshot, is
that a format would have to be done, with the time consuming
installation of all the programs that were previously
installed/wanted. It won't kill a computer. In the case of a
complete format, the first thing that should be done would be to
install an anti-virus program, files from the motherboard disk,
then Microsoft updates. If additional drivers were installed prior
to the format, they also need to be re-installed.

It is POSSIBLE for a Repair installation to completely kill your computer.
In fact - it is possible to be sitting there and permanently and
unrecoverably lose all your data. I'm not trying to scare *anyone* - just
giving you facts and experience. Everything you do on a computer should be
done carefully - as there is *no reason* anyone should lose data (or much of
it) on a computer - ever. There are few other things in life that can be as
easily backed up (or as completely) as computer data.

As for a clean install - the first thing I would *not* do is install an
antivirus program. The first thing I would do is make sure the system
firewall is on before reconnecting the machine back to the Internet
connection and then ensure the machine is 100% up-to-date with security
patches and the likes. No surfing the internet, checking your email, etc -
of course. Just finish the install. Actually - I would probably either
have integrated all the patches into the CD so they were these already or
have them on a CD ready to be installed.
When the Windows disk is placed in the DVD drive, the computer will
automatically ask if the computer should boot from the disk so
that, either way, a Repair or a format is that easy. If a Repair
is all that is needed/wanted, chosing Repair the second time will
not change/remove existing programs. If Repair is not an option,
anyone with a brain would stop right there unless the feel they
that they want to do a format.

And all that is said in both links I gave. Doing a repair option should
*not* be presented as you have (in my opinion) in such a cavalier fashion.
It is something people should take seriously - it can (and has) lost data in
the past because of an incorrect decision that was preceded by poor backup
actions. They should read and understand what they are doing.
I don't like it when people scare novices. It makes them take their
computers to PC repair shops that charge a minimum of $100.00/hr for
something they can easily do themselves. A Repair is no harder than
downloading and installing a new program. The key is to chose
Repair the second time, not the first, and all will be well.
Microsoft even sends notifications that updates are available, so
that all updates will be downloaded and installed with the click of
the mouse. Nothing could be easier.

Repair installs are easy - yep. But you have to consider that there are
people that cannot find saved files on a computer when you install their
Office application afresh or have to wipe out their profile settings (not
files) and the list of recently opened files (in any location) is gone.

You, my friend, are not a novice and just because you once were and now can
do this with ease does not mean everyone else will ever share your comfort
level with doing this. Better they be warned and take the extra precautions
with a little more care than you might because it is second nature than to
just jump into an instruction set and mess things up unnecessarily.

While I agree it is sad that there seems to be more and more people out ther
who lack some common (now everyday) skills and an ability to learn - no one
is trying to take advantage of them with instruction sets freely distributed
on the web. Nothing in the instruction sets I linked to (I did not write
either one, BTW) was *meant* to frighten - but to inform and inform in a
noticable fashion.

If someone does get nervous and decides to take their computer to someone
who will not get nervous - so be it. I try to do everything myself at least
once - from home repair, car repair, computer repair, you name it - not
everyone is so inclined. For example - I decided long ago - anything beyond
minor plumbing was not my thing. For me, too little return for too much
effort. Someone else might decide the same thing about computers.

I mean - look at your own posting. Your daughter does not have the
knowledge to repair it (your words) and I bet she is a bit nervous about
trying to fix it... So were you in verifying the instructions. And
legitimately so. No scare tactics needed - you were genuinely worried that
you might inform someone wrong so you checked your facts. That's great - I
applaud your initiative and hope your daughter has the same tendencies - as
they are lacking in so many people (or it seems that way to me) in the world
today.

Now you can make the semantic argument and say you weren't nervous/worried -
just making sure you had your facts straight (I suppose) - but something
kicked you into asking instead of searching for the answer which would have
likely come up with the same two links I gave at the top of the list. ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?q="Windows+XP"+repair+install

I wish you luck and hope that you - like me - don't have to take as many
things to others to have them repaired and continue to enjoy learning how to
do them on your own (and that you passed this onto your daughter.)

If you ever stop learning - you're already dead.
 
D

Denise

You wrote the same thing that I wrote. Files (including registration/serial
numbers)
need to be backed up prior to a Repair. You must've missed that when you
responded to my post. As for the firewall, Windows will install Windows
Firewall during the Repair or a format. No other safety precautions are
neeeded or are available. If things go completely awry, the hard drive will
still be able to accept another install with Windows Firewall being installed
with the format. With the files backed up, programs and additional drivers
that a person had already downloaded and then backed up for the Repair only
need to be installed again and files will need to be put back into the
computer under each user's profile. These steps are easy, and not only
because I've already done Repairs.

1. Back up all your files, programs and drivers (including
registration/serial numbers)
2. Put your Windows disk in your DVD drive and boot up.
3. The first time that Windows asks if you want to Repair or Install
Windows, choose Install.
4. The second time that Windows asks if you want to Repair or Install
Windows, choose Repair. If this option is not available, stop at this point.
5. When the Repair has finished, your computer will reboot. You will be
asked if you want to boot using the CD. Do nothing. Windows will then open
and you will need to reset the few personal settings that might have been
changed, i.e., font size, colors and/or screen resolution. All of the
pre-existing programs, including your anti-virus program and internet
connection, will be as they were prior to the Repair.
6. Windows will have installed Windows Firewall during the Repair.
7. Go to Microsoft Update and check for updates. Allow Microsoft to
download and install the recommended updates. If you prefer, use the custom
option. Microsoft Update will download and install only the updates that you
have chosen. If you don't go to Microsoft Update, you will receive
notifications that updates are available for download and install and, again,
you will have the choice to download and install all recommended updates or
you can choose to do a custom install of updates.

These are the steps for a Repair. A format is different and was not part of
the topic posted. The question asked was simply: for Windows Home, should
Repair be chosen the first or second time.
 
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Shenan Stanley

<snipped>
Below - in the response - is the Google archived link including this part of
the conversation.


You wrote the same thing that I wrote. Files (including
registration/serial numbers)
need to be backed up prior to a Repair. You must've missed that
when you responded to my post. As for the firewall, Windows will
install Windows Firewall during the Repair or a format. No other
safety precautions are neeeded or are available. If things go
completely awry, the hard drive will still be able to accept
another install with Windows Firewall being installed with the
format. With the files backed up, programs and additional drivers
that a person had already downloaded and then backed up for the
Repair only need to be installed again and files will need to be
put back into the computer under each user's profile. These steps
are easy, and not only because I've already done Repairs.

1. Back up all your files, programs and drivers (including
registration/serial numbers)
2. Put your Windows disk in your DVD drive and boot up.
3. The first time that Windows asks if you want to Repair or
Install Windows, choose Install.
4. The second time that Windows asks if you want to Repair or
Install Windows, choose Repair. If this option is not available,
stop at this point.
5. When the Repair has finished, your computer will reboot. You
will be asked if you want to boot using the CD. Do nothing.
Windows will then open and you will need to reset the few personal
settings that might have been changed, i.e., font size, colors
and/or screen resolution. All of the pre-existing programs,
including your anti-virus program and internet connection, will be
as they were prior to the Repair.
6. Windows will have installed Windows Firewall during the Repair.
7. Go to Microsoft Update and check for updates. Allow Microsoft
to download and install the recommended updates. If you prefer,
use the custom option. Microsoft Update will download and install
only the updates that you have chosen. If you don't go to
Microsoft Update, you will receive notifications that updates are
available for download and install and, again, you will have the
choice to download and install all recommended updates or you can
choose to do a custom install of updates.

These are the steps for a Repair. A format is different and was
not part of the topic posted. The question asked was simply: for
Windows Home, should Repair be chosen the first or second time.


- Please note that if the windows firewall was disabled during the repair -
it may remain disabled.
- If the repair is done with a preSP1 CD (should not work - but have seen it
work in various situations) - the windows firewall was not enabled by
default before SP1.

I originally answered your original question as requested - I gave you the
two links that showed you the exact steps.

You expanded the original question in your reply to me by seemingly accusing
me and the links in question of using scare tactics. I responded in kind.

*Easy for you* - not for everyone. Anything can look easy in print - it is
much different when you are treading that new territory alone for the first
time.

If I misinterpretted - I apologize. However - you must realize *you* are
unique in this world in your intelligence/experience/confidence because you
are unique period. Not everyone is or ever will be like you or think like
you. What is easy for you may never be easy to someone else.

The more information you provide someone, the more likely things will not go
wrong for those who decide they are brave enough to try something new.
While I agree there may be something akin to *too much information*, the
people who run into the situations that are covered in such tutorials are
less likely to complain than those who get lucky and never run into said
issues.

I gave two links that not only answered your original query, but gave
everyone seeing this for the indefinite amunt of time it will be archived a
choice on the 'complete' instructions and the 'nothing will likely go wrong'
instructions. ;-)

Entire conversation (indefinitely archived):
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...017e1e05eac/efd6e7029cc11e7f#efd6e7029cc11e7f

Also - just to clarify - it is possible (entirely) that after the repair
installation, the updates you try to get will download but not install.
This is a known problem and there is a fix:

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you perform a new Windows XP
installation or you repair a Windows XP installation
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Might want to add that to your 'easy steps' - as it happens more often than
not. ;-)

Good luck to you and your daughter's PC - and as I said before - I hope you
have instilled your daughter the same tenacity and want to learn/do that you
seem to have. I hope you consider, however, not everyone has that and might
require a bit more 'hand holding', even if it does seem to be in a situation
that it doesn't make sense (to you or me in many cases) they would need such
things. ;-)
 

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