Windows 64bit edition

[Bobby]

I am currently running Windows XP Pro (SP2) on my Athlon 64 PC.

I was wondering if it is worthwhile upgrading to 64-bit Windows when it is
released?

From what I've read, my applications should be OK (the usual stuff - Office,
Nero etc.) but that my drivers will not work unless the producers have
created 64-bit versions. Is that correct?

If so, can I dual install 64-bit Windows XP with 32-bit Windows XP?

Are there any real advantages to AMD 64-bit users?

Cheers.

Bobby

 

[VWWall]

I am currently running Windows XP Pro (SP2) on my Athlon 64 PC.

I was wondering if it is worthwhile upgrading to 64-bit Windows when it is
released?

It was released a few days ago. It will only be available in the OEM
version.

From what I've read, my applications should be OK (the usual stuff - Office,
Nero etc.) but that my drivers will not work unless the producers have
created 64-bit versions. Is that correct?

The release has a 64bit version of Internet Explorer, and it
contains a sub-system called "WoW", which allows 32bit applications to
run. If they have 16bit installation programs, they will not install.

I have been running the beta versions for several months. Drivers are a
real problem, with many hardware vendors taking a "wait and see" attitude.

If so, can I dual install 64-bit Windows XP with 32-bit Windows XP?

Yes. All you need is a free partition. boot.ini will make Win64 the
default until you edit it.

Are there any real advantages to AMD 64-bit users?

It can address lots more memory. Until applications and MB's take
advantage of this, you won't see any differences.

 

[DaveW]

Yes, you would need 64 bit drivers for your devices.

 

[Joe]

I have a similar question along this line. I have a 2800XP Barton with 512
megs of ram running WinXP32 obviously. If I upgraded to a 3000XP64
Winchester and Win XP64 would I see any significant performance gains if the
programs I am running are 32 bit? After all the difference between 3000 and
2800 is only 7% and I would think that would be for the most part
unnoticeable.

Joe

 

[mikey]

might possibly. you should upgrade the quality of the extra components as well.
faster hard drives with large buffer.
faster video card with larger memory.
etc.....

no guarantees.



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I have a similar question along this line. I have a 2800XP Barton with 512
megs of ram running WinXP32 obviously. If I upgraded to a 3000XP64
Winchester and Win XP64 would I see any significant performance gains if the
programs I am running are 32 bit? After all the difference between 3000 and
2800 is only 7% and I would think that would be for the most part
unnoticeable.

Joe

 

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[VWWall]

I have a similar question along this line. I have a 2800XP Barton with 512
megs of ram running WinXP32 obviously. If I upgraded to a 3000XP64
Winchester and Win XP64 would I see any significant performance gains if the
programs I am running are 32 bit? After all the difference between 3000 and
2800 is only 7% and I would think that would be for the most part
unnoticeable.

Here's some info on 64bit systems, obviously slanted towards MSI.

http://www.msicomputer.com/msiforms2/buckleup.asp

I've been running WindowsXPPro64bit on MSI K8MM-ILSR motherboard with
AMP 3000+ CPU. Have found the drivers for the on-board audio, video,
and LAN. There seems to be little performance difference, but the AMD
64 CPUs handle 32bit applications very well.

 

[mikey]

MSI is providing next to NO support for their products and x-64 os.
temp/fan speed programs, over clocking programs, auto updater, etc...

persdonally I will never buy another MSI produict. this is my 2nd MSI mobo. similar thing happened on first one. temp/fan monitore program would not work and MSI had no plans to fix it.




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I have a similar question along this line. I have a 2800XP Barton with 512
megs of ram running WinXP32 obviously. If I upgraded to a 3000XP64
Winchester and Win XP64 would I see any significant performance gains if the
programs I am running are 32 bit? After all the difference between 3000 and
2800 is only 7% and I would think that would be for the most part
unnoticeable.

Here's some info on 64bit systems, obviously slanted towards MSI.

http://www.msicomputer.com/msiforms2/buckleup.asp

I've been running WindowsXPPro64bit on MSI K8MM-ILSR motherboard with
AMP 3000+ CPU. Have found the drivers for the on-board audio, video,
and LAN. There seems to be little performance difference, but the AMD
64 CPUs handle 32bit applications very well.

 

[VWWall]

MSI is providing next to NO support for their products and x-64 os.
temp/fan speed programs, over clocking programs, auto updater, etc...

persdonally I will never buy another MSI produict. this is my 2nd MSI
mobo. similar thing happened on first one. temp/fan monitore program
would not work and MSI had no plans to fix it.

Have you tried looking at viaarena.com? The MSI manuals are
worthless, but you can get info elsewhere. For <$200, I got a 64bit
system good enough for trial. I did have to go elsewhere, (than MSI),
for some drivers, but that's the chance you take with beta trials.

The MSI monitor program works fine on my K8MM MB. You just have to be
smarter than they are, which isn't hard with MSI!
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[kony]

MSI is providing next to NO support for their products and x-64 os.
temp/fan speed programs, over clocking programs, auto updater, etc...

persdonally I will never buy another MSI produict. this is my 2nd MSI mobo. similar thing happened on first one. temp/fan monitore program would not work and MSI had no plans to fix it.

Then what make will you buy? AFAIK 64 bit support isn't
very popular anywhere yet, not just an "MSI issue".

Frankly I wouldn't be too upset about the hardware monitor
software, overclocking program or auto-updater, you should
never need them and are better off not using them at all.

 

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[mikey]

mine is a K8TNeo-FSR.
the program installs but on reboot does not work, not supported.



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MSI is providing next to NO support for their products and x-64 os.
temp/fan speed programs, over clocking programs, auto updater, etc...

persdonally I will never buy another MSI produict. this is my 2nd MSI
mobo. similar thing happened on first one. temp/fan monitore program
would not work and MSI had no plans to fix it.

Have you tried looking at viaarena.com? The MSI manuals are
worthless, but you can get info elsewhere. For <$200, I got a 64bit
system good enough for trial. I did have to go elsewhere, (than MSI),
for some drivers, but that's the chance you take with beta trials.

The MSI monitor program works fine on my K8MM MB. You just have to be
smarter than they are, which isn't hard with MSI!
[/QUOTE]

 

[mikey]

choice would have been

ASUS A8N-SL1 Delux
ASUS A8V-DELUXE Motherboard

when I had it built.

they have provided much better support for their products.







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MSI is providing next to NO support for their products and x-64 os.
temp/fan speed programs, over clocking programs, auto updater, etc...

persdonally I will never buy another MSI produict. this is my 2nd MSI mobo. similar thing happened on first one. temp/fan monitore program would not work and MSI had no plans to fix it.

Then what make will you buy? AFAIK 64 bit support isn't
very popular anywhere yet, not just an "MSI issue".

Frankly I wouldn't be too upset about the hardware monitor
software, overclocking program or auto-updater, you should
never need them and are better off not using them at all.

 

[mikey]

if you do not like my posts then by all means P L E A S E DO NOT READ THEM.

if you were able to remove your head from where the sun does not shine, you would know how to configure your system correctly.




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[kony]

if you do not like my posts then by all means P L E A S E DO NOT READ THEM.

if you were able to remove your head from where the sun does not shine, you would know how to configure your system correctly.

He's right though, you are using OE which is not configured
properly... problem is your end not his.

 

[CBFalconer]

He's right though, you are using OE which is not configured
properly... problem is your end not his.

If mikey had taken Richard Heathfields "Reading for Comprehension"
course, he would have realized that I did not read whatever he
buried in HTML, and that I had the grace to inform him that he was
failing miserably is his (assumed) desire to communicate. Of the
various assumptions involved, at least one must be false. From
your quote he appears to be incapable of polite or coherent
expression, and thus to be a very slight (if any) loss.

There is some quotation about dispensing oyster products among hogs
that seems appropriate.

 

[mikey]

my OE is configured PERFECT.
its only idiots who do not know how to configure theirs that feel a need to complain.




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if you do not like my posts then by all means P L E A S E DO NOT READ THEM.

if you were able to remove your head from where the sun does not shine, you would know how to configure your system correctly.

He's right though, you are using OE which is not configured
properly... problem is your end not his.

 

[kony]

my OE is configured PERFECT.
its only idiots who do not know how to configure theirs that feel a need to complain.

Then you're calling ALL of us idiots, right?

The vast majority of seasoned usenet users do manage to post
correctly for the most part, and most of the remaining
minoring is willing to concede when they've overlooked
something.

 

[VWWall]

my OE is configured PERFECT.
its only idiots who do not know how to configure theirs that feel a need
to complain.

If it were, the correct adverb would be PERFECTLY!
Even so, it's not smart enough to start sentances perfectly!

Chairman, united idiots,

 

[Joe]

Mikey You must be somewhat new to newsgroups and or the net.
Let me start by saying I do not have a major issue with what you have
done personally but many do I understand why. This and all the newsgroups we
have all been cross posting to from the beginning of this thread are text
groups and they are only supposed to be plain text post here. HTML is not
supposed to be used here nor is any binary. Now in my case my ISP is not
filtering newsgroups so I see your cute little signature and I would see a
picture also if you had used it but many ISP's filter this out as it is not
supposed to be here and some news readers do not support it as it is not
supposed to be here. So these people are either not seeing your message at
all are they are seeing the raw HTML.
I would assume the reason you posted your message was to be helpful. If
that is your goal then follows the guidelines and you will be the most
helpful to the most people. If you continue with the HTML Sig your post will
not even be seen by some and piss others off, totally defeating your desire
to post helpful information.
And also everyone in the thread is guilty since that's the way it was
started but cross posting newsgroups is really frowned on.

Joe

P.S. I Hope that is not your real email in the sig if it is get ready for a
load of Spam.


my OE is configured PERFECT.
its only idiots who do not know how to configure theirs that feel a need to
complain.



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if you do not like my posts then by all means P L E A S E DO NOT READ
THEM.

if you were able to remove your head from where the sun does not shine, you
would know how to configure your system correctly.

He's right though, you are using OE which is not configured
properly... problem is your end not his.