Win2003 stub zone problem

[danieltan]

I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.

Daniel

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.

Daniel

Is there anything in the event log on either server?
Secondary zone of what zone?
Let's see the results from a dnscmd /EnumZones from both servers.

 

[Herb Martin]

I've setup stub zone in my win2003, but it can't load/zone transferred
from the Win2000 master server. I also have secondary zone in the same
machine. I'm not using AD. Pls advise. Thanks.

Stub zones don't really do a "zone transfer" so are you
sure that you don't have what it does contain? That is,
the SOA, NS records, and A records for the NS records?

Does it resolve if you point directly at it?

nslookup SomeNameInZone IP.Stub.DNS.Server

 

[danieltan]

Where is the event log file ? I check that nothing related stub zone in
event viewer-> dns. Its a secondary zone of the primary master dns
server. is this dnscmd/enumzones correct ? it got error that no such
command.

Regards
Daniel

 

[danieltan]

It can't be loaded from the primary dns server. Error is zone not
loaded by dns server. Result from nslookup
nslookup mp419b 192.168.0.2
dsns request was timed out
Time out was 2 seconds
Can;t find server name for address 192.168.0.2:Timed out
Server : unknown
Address:192.168.0.2
Name:mp419b.mp420.afraid.org
Address:192.168.0.2


Regards
Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

It can't be loaded from the primary dns server. Error is zone not
loaded by dns server. Result from nslookup
nslookup mp419b 192.168.0.2
dsns request was timed out
Time out was 2 seconds
Can;t find server name for address 192.168.0.2:Timed out
Server : unknown
Address:192.168.0.2
Name:mp419b.mp420.afraid.org
Address:192.168.0.2

You didn't answer my questions:

Stub zones don't really do a "zone transfer" so are you
sure that you don't have what it does contain? That is,
the SOA, NS records, and A records for the NS records?

Does it resolve if you point directly at it?

nslookup SomeNameInZone IP.Stub.DNS.Server

 

[danieltan]

i can't view anything in the stud zone. When i click the zone, it say
can't loaded the dns server from master. For the nslookup, i already
gave u the answer. Anything else ?

Regards
Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

i can't view anything in the stud zone. When i click the zone, it say
can't loaded the dns server from master. For the nslookup, i already
gave u the answer. Anything else ?

And your NSLookup worked.

There is no true "zone transfer" into a stub zone.

You should however be able to see the NS records
and association A-host records for JUST those NS
records.

 

[danieltan]

But it still won't work ? my secondary zone works. does it have to use
the master zone name ? If nslookup works then it should be working
right ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

But it still won't work ?

Wait a moment, you NSLOOKUP showed that
the zone DID WORK.

So what doesn't work?

my secondary zone works. does it have to use
the master zone name ?

Well, of course -- a zone is only the "same zone"
if it has the same name.

A Stub (or Secondary) is always a part of a zone
that already exists as a Primary (or an AD-Integrated).

If nslookup works then it should be working
right ?

Yes, as long as you put in the specific Stub zone
server (in nslookup) it is in fact it IS working.

This is the reason we specified the DNS to make
sure we were querying the "problem" DNS server.

 

[danieltan]

Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since i
already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd and
stub zone together ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

Herb, i can't put the stub zone name same as my primary zone since i
already got secondary zone as the same name. Any problem having 2nd and
stub zone together ?

You cannot have a stub, secondary, or primary for the
same zone on the SAME server.

The idea is that a different DNS server will be secondary
or stub to an existing Master (primary or secondary.)

If you have the Primary or Secondary on this server,
it makes no sense (and won't work) to place another
DNS zone of the same name there.

Even if you did it, it would have not value, since the
server already containes the (entire) zone.

 

[danieltan]

Herb, my primary server is another machine. This win2003 machine is
only secondary and stud zone. Is this ok ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

[danieltan]

Herb, what i read on windows help, is that stud zone is more like using
for subdomain where it helps to notify any changes of the secondary dns
server(subdomain) to primary. Its like middle man. i also read it can
be just acted like normal 2nd zone , only thing is RR is less and some
other things. So which one is true ?

Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

Herb, my primary server is another machine. This win2003 machine is
only secondary and stud zone. Is this ok ?

No, you cannot have two zones for the same zone (domain)
on the same server.

It makes no sense to do that since the first zone would resolve
that zone and the second would be unnecessary.

You use a secondary when you want/need a full copy of the
zone, and you use a Stub when the WAN or SIZE of the zone
makes it impractical to copy the entire thing.

 

[Herb Martin]

Herb, what i read on windows help, is that stud zone is more like using
for subdomain where it helps to notify any changes of the secondary dns
server(subdomain) to primary. Its like middle man. i also read it can
be just acted like normal 2nd zone , only thing is RR is less and some
other things. So which one is true ?

The both have SOME truth but the latter is the best
way the THINK about stub zones.

They are "Secondaries without most of the records".

They have the SOA, NS, and A for those NS records
so they can FIND THE NAMESERVERS for the zone
(the ones that have the real copy of the zone.)

They are used for special cases where you don't want
to hold the entire zone (WAN speed is very slow, or
zone is very big) but you need to resolve a FEW records
for that zone directly.

 

[danieltan]

Herb, so what happened to my case ? Both stub and 2nd zone in one
machine , primary in another machine. But stub zone won't works ? what
am i missing ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

[Herb Martin]

Herb, so what happened to my case ? Both stub and 2nd zone in one
machine , primary in another machine. But stub zone won't works ? what
am i missing ?

You cannot expect it to work on the same machine.

Remove the Stub.

 

[danieltan]

Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?

Rgds
Daniel

 

[Kevin D. Goodknecht Sr. [MVP]]

Herb, any tools to verify why stub zone cannot be used ?

You cannot have a Stub zone and a secondary zone of the same name on the
same DNS server. To take it a step further, you can't have two zones of the
same name of any type on the same server.
No tools needed, just common sense.