Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

[T. Waters]

If you are referring to the MVP's (who are not MS staff), yes, the ones with
brains realize that this is a very ambiguous, confusing topic.
If you are referring to MS Support staff, they are trained not to think
about it at all!

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

No, but correct and honest with my answer!

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Windows XP - Shell/User
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|
| Horsepucky. It's the same computer. A motherboard does not a computer make.
| Do you for some reason get pleasure out of misinforming people so they
| think, incorrectly, that they should pay for the same thing again? Are you
| rich?
|
| Alias



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[Steve N.]

This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your
customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the
original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

<snip>

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And here:

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and
everything in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA
affixed to the case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and
rebuild it inside with anything/everything else different. As long as
that COA and case stay together there is no EULA violation that I can
see. Why heck, it would sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

No. Just replace the motherboard with an identical motherboard!

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| Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
| give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
| We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
| see it.



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[Richard Urban]

No one forced you to buy O.E.M..

You are just mad because YOU didn't do your homework!

BTW, I supply a retail version of Windows XP with every computer I build for
my customers. I would never place them in a predicament!

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aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[kurttrail]

No, but correct and honest with my answer!

http://microscum.com/carey/

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Alias]

No one forced you to buy O.E.M..

So what? I have three computers, each with an OEM on them. Plan to upgrade
the motherboard, CPU, RAM and video card on one of them and expect no
problems or predicaments at all!

You are just mad because YOU didn't do your homework!

He has nothing to be mad about. He can reinstall it on a new motherboard.

BTW, I supply a retail version of Windows XP with every computer I build
for my customers. I would never place them in a predicament!

What predicament?

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp
should give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard
should fail? We could go on like this forever, and this is where the
problem lies as I see it.

My last answer in this thread.

Don't worry, be happy!

Even if MS thinks you need to buy another copy of XP if you replace your
motherboard (and even MS employees don't agree with that
interpretation,) they will never know you changed your motherboard,
unless YOU tell them. With activation, MS cannot tell what hardware has
actually changed.

Short answer, DON'T TELL THEM.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Steve N.]

I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........

Plain english society? Is there such a thing? Sounds cool. I'm gonna
look it up...

Is this what you mean?

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/introduction.html

Steve

 

[Keith AH]

You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom an
Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

I was giving what the license states and what an OEM installer is suppose to
agree to to be able to sell an Oem version.
Since this was about an Oem version of the software.

 

[David Sewell]

Obvious

 

[David Sewell]

No...I'm just mad because I'm confused...and don't try to be arrogant... it
might not suit you..ha ha

 

[T. Waters]

"...I would never place them in a predicament!"
Correction: You would never place *yourself* in a predicament!

 

[Ken Blake]

In

You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a
computerfrom an Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

No, this is not correct. There are two kinds of OEM versions:

1. Those that come preinstalled on new computers sold by the
larger OEMs.

2. Generic OEM versions that can be sold with almost any piece of
non-peripheral hardware. These are identical to the retail
version except for the extra restrictions in the licensing
agreement.

You can readily buy an OEM version of the second type. Whether
Walmart or Staples specifically sell those types, I don't know
for sure, but they are widely available from many sources.

 

[Alias]

You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom
an Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

Wrong. I have three computers that I built myself and all three have OEM
versions installed. Oops.

I was giving what the license states and what an OEM installer is suppose
to agree to to be able to sell an Oem version.
Since this was about an Oem version of the software.

There are OEMs and then there are OEMs.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom an
Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

Actually Walmart does sell OEM Windows XP from their website, but it
also has a clear link to the OEM site for additional information.

It also clearly calls it OEM and states that it must be purchased with
Hardware.

 

[Keith AH]

If you go to a Walmart or staples store they do not have an OEM version to
buy
I did not state that you could not buy the Generic version of the Oem that
is what I sell

 

[Iceni]

I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Few months ago my motherboard developed a fault and needed replacing.
The firm that I deal with for computer gear informed me that there was
a strong possibility that I would need to purchase another OEM copy of
XP to replace the one that was presently installed.

Before installing the new motherboard I contacted the local Microsoft
office and asked them the legal situation in this case. One manager
informed that I would need to purchase a new copy, but another manager
said to just replace the motherboard and reactive over the phone. (It
appears that even Microsoft has difficultly's in understanding the
rules pertaining to OEM XP).

I changed the motherboard, slipstreamed my OEM XP copy with SP2 and
done a repair installation. Everything worked okay and I just waited
for a reactivation notice. This was about six months ago and as of yet
I still haven't had to reactivate.

The whole situation with OEM versions is a unclear, and further talks
with a senior Microsoft employee he admitted that no one is 100% sure
of the rules with OEM versions that have been purchased to owner
builders.

When I purchased an OEM copy, I was made aware that there was
limitations between OEM and a full retail copy. For instance I knew
that there would be no Microsoft support - unable to use the software
to upgrade from - the copy would need to be sold with the machine when
and if it was sold. No mention was made about not be able to upgrade
or change faulty hardware.

It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.

 

[Leythos]

It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.

It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

One note, the licensing agreement states that a Motherboard many be
replaced with identical or a newer motherboard with the older board is
defective - this means that if your Old P3 motherboard dies you can
change it out for a P20000000 motherboard and still activate and be
properly licensed. If you just wanted a faster computer and replaced a
non-defective motherboard, that would violate the systems builders OEM
agreement.

 

[Iceni]

You paid less for an OEM version and as a consequence you do not
receive the benefits of a Retail Version. OEM versions of Windows
XP are non-transferrable and if your motherboard dies, so does your
OEM license. Microsoft does not sell OEM versions to end-users,
only Retail Versions.

If Microsoft doesn't sell OEM versions to end-users, where do people
that build their own machines get their copies from?

I paid less for my OEM copy because I can't use it for an upgrade to a
newer version - I can't get Microsoft support - and the software has
to go with the computer when sold or given away.

I think this information is incorrect "motherboard dies so does your
OEM licence".